Is Internal Continuity (patience)Our Worst Enemy?
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4/20/2017  1:59 PM
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misterearl wrote:Burning Question: Are the Knicks just another Broadway show?

From whose perspective, Dolan or us??..Phil is just another show piece...

Excellent Question

Dolan first.

Second, the people who view The Garden as the place to be seen.


Phil was hired because of Dolan's friend in the music business that fills his arenas on the East and West Coasts..All these pieces are assets that adds to the bottom line in Dolan's eyes..Phil is here to collect a check and what's left on his contract..Phil won already, he is doing things his way and winning isn't a priority..He said so in his press conference..

I tune in to see competitive games within reason...Watching guys play who probably wouldn't otherwise be in the league isn't fun for me...I live close to Westchester, I can get that from the DLeague..Phil loves it tho because they do as he says...So the Broadway show is working for some of Phil supporters and Dolan...Others like me want more...

At this point you are just trolling. Time to walk away from the keyboard

Phil just admitted he told Dolan he wasn't here to win a Championship...Phil had 6 undrafted players on the team this year...What am I missing??

what was the full quote? cuase I don't think you heard it right or dont really want to. and has there been other quotes by Phil saying he wanted to bring a championship to NY?

I mean, this is the lowest you can get as a troll

I don't get the troll talk..I bring facts...Is this a joke??..If you didn't hear the press conference you should listen to it...

“That’s O.K. with me. I didn’t come here just to particularly win a championship but to do things that were directed by my instructions by Dolan — let’s have something that is identifiable in who we are and how we play.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/14/sports/basketball/knicks-phil-jackson-breaks-the-silence-but-the-turmoil-is-intact.html

You really can't see the quote can you?

Breaking it down, he is saying he came to do that, and other things..........

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4/20/2017  2:02 PM
holfresh wrote:
martin wrote:
holfresh wrote:
martin wrote:
holfresh wrote:
martin wrote:
holfresh wrote:
misterearl wrote:
holfresh wrote:
misterearl wrote:Burning Question: Are the Knicks just another Broadway show?

From whose perspective, Dolan or us??..Phil is just another show piece...

Excellent Question

Dolan first.

Second, the people who view The Garden as the place to be seen.


Phil was hired because of Dolan's friend in the music business that fills his arenas on the East and West Coasts..All these pieces are assets that adds to the bottom line in Dolan's eyes..Phil is here to collect a check and what's left on his contract..Phil won already, he is doing things his way and winning isn't a priority..He said so in his press conference..

I tune in to see competitive games within reason...Watching guys play who probably wouldn't otherwise be in the league isn't fun for me...I live close to Westchester, I can get that from the DLeague..Phil loves it tho because they do as he says...So the Broadway show is working for some of Phil supporters and Dolan...Others like me want more...

At this point you are just trolling. Time to walk away from the keyboard

Phil just admitted he told Dolan he wasn't here to win a Championship...Phil had 6 undrafted players on the team this year...What am I missing??

what was the full quote? cuase I don't think you heard it right or dont really want to. and has there been other quotes by Phil saying he wanted to bring a championship to NY?

I mean, this is the lowest you can get as a troll

I don't get the troll talk..I bring facts...Is this a joke??..If you didn't hear the press conference you should listen to it...

“That’s O.K. with me. I didn’t come here just to particularly win a championship but to do things that were directed by my instructions by Dolan — let’s have something that is identifiable in who we are and how we play.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/14/sports/basketball/knicks-phil-jackson-breaks-the-silence-but-the-turmoil-is-intact.html

Let me interpret this for you since you are being so willingly blind and have taken a 3rd grade literal level to the obvious.

Phil: I've not only come here to win a championship but to also put in a system.

You read this as: He isn't here to win a Championship.

That is flat trolling. Your words: "Phil just admitted he told Dolan he wasn't here to win a Championship"


Give me a break..Is that the best you can do..Please!!!

It's a lame response for Phil...Lame anyway you slice it..It can't be defended!!

you can use Google and your 3rd grade reading comprehension to find all the time Phil has said he wants NY to win a championship.

Jesus man. It's trolling.

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4/20/2017  2:11 PM
Nalod wrote:
holfresh wrote:
martin wrote:
holfresh wrote:
martin wrote:
holfresh wrote:
misterearl wrote:
holfresh wrote:
misterearl wrote:Burning Question: Are the Knicks just another Broadway show?

From whose perspective, Dolan or us??..Phil is just another show piece...

Excellent Question

Dolan first.

Second, the people who view The Garden as the place to be seen.


Phil was hired because of Dolan's friend in the music business that fills his arenas on the East and West Coasts..All these pieces are assets that adds to the bottom line in Dolan's eyes..Phil is here to collect a check and what's left on his contract..Phil won already, he is doing things his way and winning isn't a priority..He said so in his press conference..

I tune in to see competitive games within reason...Watching guys play who probably wouldn't otherwise be in the league isn't fun for me...I live close to Westchester, I can get that from the DLeague..Phil loves it tho because they do as he says...So the Broadway show is working for some of Phil supporters and Dolan...Others like me want more...

At this point you are just trolling. Time to walk away from the keyboard

Phil just admitted he told Dolan he wasn't here to win a Championship...Phil had 6 undrafted players on the team this year...What am I missing??

what was the full quote? cuase I don't think you heard it right or dont really want to. and has there been other quotes by Phil saying he wanted to bring a championship to NY?

I mean, this is the lowest you can get as a troll

I don't get the troll talk..I bring facts...Is this a joke??..If you didn't hear the press conference you should listen to it...

“That’s O.K. with me. I didn’t come here just to particularly win a championship but to do things that were directed by my instructions by Dolan — let’s have something that is identifiable in who we are and how we play.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/14/sports/basketball/knicks-phil-jackson-breaks-the-silence-but-the-turmoil-is-intact.html

You really can't see the quote can you?

Breaking it down, he is saying he came to do that, and other things..........

Like change the culture and be like New England and Seattle??

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4/20/2017  2:13 PM
martin wrote:
holfresh wrote:
martin wrote:
holfresh wrote:
martin wrote:
holfresh wrote:
martin wrote:
holfresh wrote:
misterearl wrote:
holfresh wrote:
misterearl wrote:Burning Question: Are the Knicks just another Broadway show?

From whose perspective, Dolan or us??..Phil is just another show piece...

Excellent Question

Dolan first.

Second, the people who view The Garden as the place to be seen.


Phil was hired because of Dolan's friend in the music business that fills his arenas on the East and West Coasts..All these pieces are assets that adds to the bottom line in Dolan's eyes..Phil is here to collect a check and what's left on his contract..Phil won already, he is doing things his way and winning isn't a priority..He said so in his press conference..

I tune in to see competitive games within reason...Watching guys play who probably wouldn't otherwise be in the league isn't fun for me...I live close to Westchester, I can get that from the DLeague..Phil loves it tho because they do as he says...So the Broadway show is working for some of Phil supporters and Dolan...Others like me want more...

At this point you are just trolling. Time to walk away from the keyboard

Phil just admitted he told Dolan he wasn't here to win a Championship...Phil had 6 undrafted players on the team this year...What am I missing??

what was the full quote? cuase I don't think you heard it right or dont really want to. and has there been other quotes by Phil saying he wanted to bring a championship to NY?

I mean, this is the lowest you can get as a troll

I don't get the troll talk..I bring facts...Is this a joke??..If you didn't hear the press conference you should listen to it...

“That’s O.K. with me. I didn’t come here just to particularly win a championship but to do things that were directed by my instructions by Dolan — let’s have something that is identifiable in who we are and how we play.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/14/sports/basketball/knicks-phil-jackson-breaks-the-silence-but-the-turmoil-is-intact.html

Let me interpret this for you since you are being so willingly blind and have taken a 3rd grade literal level to the obvious.

Phil: I've not only come here to win a championship but to also put in a system.

You read this as: He isn't here to win a Championship.

That is flat trolling. Your words: "Phil just admitted he told Dolan he wasn't here to win a Championship"


Give me a break..Is that the best you can do..Please!!!

It's a lame response for Phil...Lame anyway you slice it..It can't be defended!!

you can use Google and your 3rd grade reading comprehension to find all the time Phil has said he wants NY to win a championship.

Jesus man. It's trolling.

You have no clue what you are talking about..None..Listen to the press conference and hear how it was said...Mike Francesa came way with the same take...

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4/20/2017  2:14 PM
martin wrote:
holfresh wrote:
martin wrote:
holfresh wrote:
martin wrote:
holfresh wrote:
martin wrote:
holfresh wrote:
misterearl wrote:
holfresh wrote:
misterearl wrote:Burning Question: Are the Knicks just another Broadway show?

From whose perspective, Dolan or us??..Phil is just another show piece...

Excellent Question

Dolan first.

Second, the people who view The Garden as the place to be seen.


Phil was hired because of Dolan's friend in the music business that fills his arenas on the East and West Coasts..All these pieces are assets that adds to the bottom line in Dolan's eyes..Phil is here to collect a check and what's left on his contract..Phil won already, he is doing things his way and winning isn't a priority..He said so in his press conference..

I tune in to see competitive games within reason...Watching guys play who probably wouldn't otherwise be in the league isn't fun for me...I live close to Westchester, I can get that from the DLeague..Phil loves it tho because they do as he says...So the Broadway show is working for some of Phil supporters and Dolan...Others like me want more...

At this point you are just trolling. Time to walk away from the keyboard

Phil just admitted he told Dolan he wasn't here to win a Championship...Phil had 6 undrafted players on the team this year...What am I missing??

what was the full quote? cuase I don't think you heard it right or dont really want to. and has there been other quotes by Phil saying he wanted to bring a championship to NY?

I mean, this is the lowest you can get as a troll

I don't get the troll talk..I bring facts...Is this a joke??..If you didn't hear the press conference you should listen to it...

“That’s O.K. with me. I didn’t come here just to particularly win a championship but to do things that were directed by my instructions by Dolan — let’s have something that is identifiable in who we are and how we play.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/14/sports/basketball/knicks-phil-jackson-breaks-the-silence-but-the-turmoil-is-intact.html

Let me interpret this for you since you are being so willingly blind and have taken a 3rd grade literal level to the obvious.

Phil: I've not only come here to win a championship but to also put in a system.

You read this as: He isn't here to win a Championship.

That is flat trolling. Your words: "Phil just admitted he told Dolan he wasn't here to win a Championship"


Give me a break..Is that the best you can do..Please!!!

It's a lame response for Phil...Lame anyway you slice it..It can't be defended!!

you can use Google and your 3rd grade reading comprehension to find all the time Phil has said he wants NY to win a championship.

Jesus man. It's trolling.

Did you listen to the press conference???

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4/20/2017  2:43 PM
Just for you Martin..12 mins in..

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4/20/2017  3:22 PM    LAST EDITED: 4/20/2017  3:23 PM
martin wrote:

All of you are vying to be Phil's biggest apologist...

What Phil is doing here is letting you know he has come to terms with not winning in NY...The next two years he will trying to create team that "plays the right way" even if it's means with end of the bench guys...It's lame, and more lame if your name for Phil Jackson..

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holfresh wrote:
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All of you are vying to be Phil's biggest apologist...

What Phil is doing here is letting you know he has come to terms with not winning in NY...The next two years he will trying to create team that "plays the right way" even if it's means with end of the bench guys...It's lame, and more lame if your name for Phil Jackson..

yea thats it. Thats what Phil is doing there. Thanks for the clarification.
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4/20/2017  4:35 PM
holfresh wrote:
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All of you are vying to be Phil's biggest apologist...

What Phil is doing here is letting you know he has come to terms with not winning in NY...The next two years he will trying to create team that "plays the right way" even if it's means with end of the bench guys...It's lame, and more lame if your name for Phil Jackson..

"I didn’t come here just to particularly win a championship"

I don't mean to be so rude but if you interpret that as not wanting to win a championship you are a ****ing idiot

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4/20/2017  4:56 PM
martin wrote:
holfresh wrote:
martin wrote:

All of you are vying to be Phil's biggest apologist...

What Phil is doing here is letting you know he has come to terms with not winning in NY...The next two years he will trying to create team that "plays the right way" even if it's means with end of the bench guys...It's lame, and more lame if your name for Phil Jackson..

"I didn’t come here just to particularly win a championship"

I don't mean to be so rude but if you interpret that as not wanting to win a championship you are a ****ing idiot

Ouch......Hol, your a moron!!!

Holfresh,

"I didn’t come here just to particularly win a championship".

Then what else did he say? He came to win a chip, and.......those other things. Develop players, culture, dleague, etc etc.......

Like,
"I didn't come here to particularly insult you, I also wanted to clarify what martin said".
So, I called you a moron, and then I tried to clarify what martin said. I did both. I didn't particularly come here to call you a moron..........
PHil wanted to not just win a chip, but also do other things. Thats what he said. if you don't take it that way, that's you. If you then comment on it, your trolling.

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4/20/2017  4:58 PM
Nalod wrote:
martin wrote:
holfresh wrote:
martin wrote:

All of you are vying to be Phil's biggest apologist...

What Phil is doing here is letting you know he has come to terms with not winning in NY...The next two years he will trying to create team that "plays the right way" even if it's means with end of the bench guys...It's lame, and more lame if your name for Phil Jackson..

"I didn’t come here just to particularly win a championship"

I don't mean to be so rude but if you interpret that as not wanting to win a championship you are a ****ing idiot

Ouch......Hol, your a moron!!!

Holfresh,

"I didn’t come here just to particularly win a championship".

Then what else did he say? He came to win a chip, and.......those other things. Develop players, culture, dleague, etc etc.......

Like,
"I didn't come here to particularly insult you, I also wanted to clarify what martin said".
So, I called you a moron, and then I tried to clarify what martin said. I did both. I didn't particularly come here to call you a moron..........
PHil wanted to not just win a chip, but also do other things. Thats what he said. if you don't take it that way, that's you. If you then comment on it, your trolling.

Kind of harsh, right??

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4/20/2017  5:00 PM
martin wrote:
holfresh wrote:
martin wrote:

All of you are vying to be Phil's biggest apologist...

What Phil is doing here is letting you know he has come to terms with not winning in NY...The next two years he will trying to create team that "plays the right way" even if it's means with end of the bench guys...It's lame, and more lame if your name for Phil Jackson..

"I didn’t come here just to particularly win a championship"

I don't mean to be so rude but if you interpret that as not wanting to win a championship you are a ****ing idiot

Well we can delve into a discussion or take it to the level you are pursuing, I rather not...You are taking what I said an running with it to a desired outcome...I'll rather keep it civil, it not, let's just drop it...

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4/20/2017  7:58 PM    LAST EDITED: 4/20/2017  7:59 PM
martin wrote:
holfresh wrote:
martin wrote:

All of you are vying to be Phil's biggest apologist...

What Phil is doing here is letting you know he has come to terms with not winning in NY...The next two years he will trying to create team that "plays the right way" even if it's means with end of the bench guys...It's lame, and more lame if your name for Phil Jackson..

"I didn’t come here just to particularly win a championship"

I don't mean to be so rude but if you interpret that as not wanting to win a championship you are a ****ing idiot


I couldn't address this earlier, was busy..Why do you think it's ok to address me like this??.Do I talk to you or anyone in this manner??
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4/21/2017  12:39 PM
martin wrote:
holfresh wrote:
martin wrote:

All of you are vying to be Phil's biggest apologist...

What Phil is doing here is letting you know he has come to terms with not winning in NY...The next two years he will trying to create team that "plays the right way" even if it's means with end of the bench guys...It's lame, and more lame if your name for Phil Jackson..

"I didn’t come here just to particularly win a championship"

I don't mean to be so rude but if you interpret that as not wanting to win a championship you are a ****ing idiot

why are you defending phil so hard martin. I wish the players he acquired would fight this hard for him

The franchise is a mess, what difference does make, losing culture, disgruntle players, far as hell from contending, and he is teaching players how to play the right way from an executive position, and so far 60 players haven't figured it out yet.. Neither has he.

the little tid bits, like keeping flex cap space, and keeping draft picks..you guys think the world of that, until he drafts a bust, and adds more salary just to rid himself of melo..

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4/21/2017  12:42 PM
knicks1248 wrote:why are you defending phil so hard martin. I wish the players he acquired would fight this hard for him

The franchise is a mess, what difference does make, losing culture, disgruntle players, far as hell from contending, and he is teaching players how to play the right way from an executive position, and so far 60 players haven't figured it out yet.. Neither has he.

the little tid bits, like keeping flex cap space, and keeping draft picks..you guys think the world of that, until he drafts a bust, and adds more salary just to rid himself of melo..

I'm not, that's just all you see.

You hate Phil, and if someone doesn't agree 100% with your take you won't listen and label it as apologist or something silly. I'm not into that.

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4/21/2017  1:30 PM
holfresh wrote:
Nalod wrote:
martin wrote:
holfresh wrote:
martin wrote:

All of you are vying to be Phil's biggest apologist...

What Phil is doing here is letting you know he has come to terms with not winning in NY...The next two years he will trying to create team that "plays the right way" even if it's means with end of the bench guys...It's lame, and more lame if your name for Phil Jackson..

"I didn’t come here just to particularly win a championship"

I don't mean to be so rude but if you interpret that as not wanting to win a championship you are a ****ing idiot

Ouch......Hol, your a moron!!!

Holfresh,

"I didn’t come here just to particularly win a championship".

Then what else did he say? He came to win a chip, and.......those other things. Develop players, culture, dleague, etc etc.......

Like,
"I didn't come here to particularly insult you, I also wanted to clarify what martin said".
So, I called you a moron, and then I tried to clarify what martin said. I did both. I didn't particularly come here to call you a moron..........
PHil wanted to not just win a chip, but also do other things. Thats what he said. if you don't take it that way, that's you. If you then comment on it, your trolling.

Kind of harsh, right??

I didn't say it to particularly insult you, but to do things that might help you understand the point Martin was trying to make.
Does that make any sense to you at all? Or do you only see the insult portion?

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4/21/2017  2:58 PM
martin wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:why are you defending phil so hard martin. I wish the players he acquired would fight this hard for him

The franchise is a mess, what difference does make, losing culture, disgruntle players, far as hell from contending, and he is teaching players how to play the right way from an executive position, and so far 60 players haven't figured it out yet.. Neither has he.

the little tid bits, like keeping flex cap space, and keeping draft picks..you guys think the world of that, until he drafts a bust, and adds more salary just to rid himself of melo..

I'm not, that's just all you see.

You hate Phil, and if someone doesn't agree 100% with your take you won't listen and label it as apologist or something silly. I'm not into that.

I don't hate phil, I hate the state of the knicks, and he's responsible for the for everything wrong with it, the roster and the coaching staff, and he never mans up.

He takes little to no responsibility, he's always pointing the thing finger at the coach or the players. So you hire incompetent people and blame them for being incompetent as the reason for this mess.

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4/21/2017  3:05 PM
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knicks1248 wrote:why are you defending phil so hard martin. I wish the players he acquired would fight this hard for him

The franchise is a mess, what difference does make, losing culture, disgruntle players, far as hell from contending, and he is teaching players how to play the right way from an executive position, and so far 60 players haven't figured it out yet.. Neither has he.

the little tid bits, like keeping flex cap space, and keeping draft picks..you guys think the world of that, until he drafts a bust, and adds more salary just to rid himself of melo..

I'm not, that's just all you see.

You hate Phil, and if someone doesn't agree 100% with your take you won't listen and label it as apologist or something silly. I'm not into that.

I don't hate phil, I hate the state of the knicks, and he's responsible for the for everything wrong with it, the roster and the coaching staff, and he never mans up.

He takes little to no responsibility, he's always pointing the thing finger at the coach or the players. So you hire incompetent people and blame them for being incompetent as the reason for this mess.

Your glasses are so shaded it's impossible to have a discussion. You are looking for blame and looking for Phil, someone to get down on their knees and point at themselves as to having done everything wrong.

Not gonna happen, so move on.

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4/21/2017  3:09 PM
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martin wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:why are you defending phil so hard martin. I wish the players he acquired would fight this hard for him

The franchise is a mess, what difference does make, losing culture, disgruntle players, far as hell from contending, and he is teaching players how to play the right way from an executive position, and so far 60 players haven't figured it out yet.. Neither has he.

the little tid bits, like keeping flex cap space, and keeping draft picks..you guys think the world of that, until he drafts a bust, and adds more salary just to rid himself of melo..

I'm not, that's just all you see.

You hate Phil, and if someone doesn't agree 100% with your take you won't listen and label it as apologist or something silly. I'm not into that.

I don't hate phil, I hate the state of the knicks, and he's responsible for the for everything wrong with it, the roster and the coaching staff, and he never mans up.

He takes little to no responsibility, he's always pointing the thing finger at the coach or the players. So you hire incompetent people and blame them for being incompetent as the reason for this mess.

Slow down there fella. Phil "is responsible for everything wrong with it"!

IMO, and I think the facts would back me up, is that there's nothing wrong with the coaching staff. The Knicks have long been run like a country-club and Phil expects players to actually - you know - learn a system and be in shape enough to execute it. Shocking I know. But personalizing the distaste for hard work by hating on the coaching staff is poor taste not legitimate criticism.

And by confronting Melo and his NTC, some of us might say that he is "manning up". He hasn't taken shots at the coaching staff to my knowledge. Where he sees deficiencies he's stepped in and why not? its like saying DaVinci shouldn't touch up an apprentice's work. Phil is here to teach as well as administer - get used to it.

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