wargames wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:LOL

Does anyone think the Knicks will get Avery Bradley Jae Crowder adn a pick for Carmelo--that is insane. Whether or not the Bost coaches mightve thought so at the trade deadline--the guy who counts--D Ainge---will NEVER do that. IF anything I think what we are seeing is stay the course bring in a high caliber draft pick--integrate both Brown and that draft pick in with the use of free agency. Boston DOES not need Carmelo

I think the trade to be made was Amir Johnson, Jerebko, Jalen Brown and a pick.... that ship is sailed... Boston would not be the same team without Avery and Crowder both gone.

Trading Melo at the deadline for expiring contracts and a high first round pick in 2017 and 2018 would have been a fantastic deal for the Knicks. But it would have required Ainge to really want to upend the Cavs and GSW this year by adding a fading All Star. Unfortunately for us, Ainge stayed prudent. We will never get anywhere close to such a package for Melo anymore, we needed a desperate trading partner for a decent deal, and no one is going to be desperate this summer.

Clippers look pretty desperate to me and I think the better the Celtics do the more likely Ainge will double down for the right piece to make them complete.

For example a 3 way trade between Clippers, Knicks, and Celtics that sends Blake to Boston, Melo and Lee to the Clippers, and this years Nyets pick, the 2021 Clippers pick and austin Rivers to NY is mathematically feasible and the environment is actually helping to set it up.

Clippers need to make major changes to their team, but don't have the assets to bottom out, plus their best players are FA. They also need to shed some salary and try and replace Reddick who is likely going to leave. Melo and Lee helps them become a better team now and in 2 years they would have money to replace Melo with a younger player(s) when Melo becomes a FA.

Celtics might make it to the ECF and will not have enough fire power to beat the Cavs (and need a rebounder like Blake desperately). Ainge knows from experience that you got to go all in to win a championship when the opportunity presents itself. With all the best wing players likely not making the move to Boston, they can simply not resign Amir Johnson. Jarekbo, and Olynyk and trade Zeller along with this years draft pick for Blake in a S&T and they would be early favorites to win a championship. Hell the Cavs biggest weakness is their bigs and blake would destroy them. I don't even think the knicks would ask for next years pick which fits in line with Ainge's notorious stingyness.

Knicks want to go young and 2 picks and Austin Rivers would be a God send, especially if one of them is a top 3 and they can keep their top 7.

Next years line up

Rivers
Ntilkina
J. Jackson
Kp
Willy

and then they tank again and get Doncic to be their 6th man. Its a long shot, but if it worked the knicks would be built to become a top contender eventually as long as everyone stayed healthy.

Neither Blake Griffin or Melo are worth that 2017 pick and Melo, in particular, is no longer worth an elite draft pick outright. The reality is that he only has a window of 3 or so seasons, whereas an elite draft pick could give up a decade worth of all-star play. The best we can hope for are pick swaps in the distant future, which I believe a feeble-minded GM like Doc Rivers would agree to do. I'd target their 2020 and/or 2021 first round pick for a pick swap.

Also, I think you are vastly overrating the Celtics. With or without Blake, they would not be close to being a true contender. Did you not just see them struggle against a ****ty Bulls team. If that Rondo injury did not occur, it'd gone 7 and who knows who would have won it. But I do think Danny Ainge will try to upgrade their roster to remain competitive.

NardDogNation wrote:

wargames wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:LOL

Does anyone think the Knicks will get Avery Bradley Jae Crowder adn a pick for Carmelo--that is insane. Whether or not the Bost coaches mightve thought so at the trade deadline--the guy who counts--D Ainge---will NEVER do that. IF anything I think what we are seeing is stay the course bring in a high caliber draft pick--integrate both Brown and that draft pick in with the use of free agency. Boston DOES not need Carmelo

I think the trade to be made was Amir Johnson, Jerebko, Jalen Brown and a pick.... that ship is sailed... Boston would not be the same team without Avery and Crowder both gone.

Trading Melo at the deadline for expiring contracts and a high first round pick in 2017 and 2018 would have been a fantastic deal for the Knicks. But it would have required Ainge to really want to upend the Cavs and GSW this year by adding a fading All Star. Unfortunately for us, Ainge stayed prudent. We will never get anywhere close to such a package for Melo anymore, we needed a desperate trading partner for a decent deal, and no one is going to be desperate this summer.

Clippers look pretty desperate to me and I think the better the Celtics do the more likely Ainge will double down for the right piece to make them complete.

For example a 3 way trade between Clippers, Knicks, and Celtics that sends Blake to Boston, Melo and Lee to the Clippers, and this years Nyets pick, the 2021 Clippers pick and austin Rivers to NY is mathematically feasible and the environment is actually helping to set it up.

Clippers need to make major changes to their team, but don't have the assets to bottom out, plus their best players are FA. They also need to shed some salary and try and replace Reddick who is likely going to leave. Melo and Lee helps them become a better team now and in 2 years they would have money to replace Melo with a younger player(s) when Melo becomes a FA.

Celtics might make it to the ECF and will not have enough fire power to beat the Cavs (and need a rebounder like Blake desperately). Ainge knows from experience that you got to go all in to win a championship when the opportunity presents itself. With all the best wing players likely not making the move to Boston, they can simply not resign Amir Johnson. Jarekbo, and Olynyk and trade Zeller along with this years draft pick for Blake in a S&T and they would be early favorites to win a championship. Hell the Cavs biggest weakness is their bigs and blake would destroy them. I don't even think the knicks would ask for next years pick which fits in line with Ainge's notorious stingyness.

Knicks want to go young and 2 picks and Austin Rivers would be a God send, especially if one of them is a top 3 and they can keep their top 7.

Next years line up

Rivers
Ntilkina
J. Jackson
Kp
Willy

and then they tank again and get Doncic to be their 6th man. Its a long shot, but if it worked the knicks would be built to become a top contender eventually as long as everyone stayed healthy.

Neither Blake Griffin or Melo are worth that 2017 pick and Melo, in particular, is no longer worth an elite draft pick outright. The reality is that he only has a window of 3 or so seasons, whereas an elite draft pick could give up a decade worth of all-star play. The best we can hope for are pick swaps in the distant future, which I believe a feeble-minded GM like Doc Rivers would agree to do. I'd target their 2020 and/or 2021 first round pick for a pick swap.

Also, I think you are vastly overrating the Celtics. With or without Blake, they would not be close to being a true contender. Did you not just see them struggle against a ****ty Bulls team. If that Rondo injury did not occur, it'd gone 7 and who knows who would have won it. But I do think Danny Ainge will try to upgrade their roster to remain competitive.

The scenario is Melo for Blake and then Blake to the Celtics for bench players (like Zeller who isn't even getting playoff minutes) and a pick in a year that doesn't quite fit their current team's need or contending window

Blake is worth that pick as a 28 year old PF (in his prime) who fits their teams championship window and fulfills their need for another playmakers and rebounder.

IT
Avery
Crowder
Blake
Horford

is a lineup that could actually come out the East against Lebron. Also the reason they struggled against the bulls was Rondo's defense on IT made it hard for them to score because he is their only legit playmaker. Horford just put up a great game and they whupped the Wizards ass. Blake is the type of player to always put up a great game if he is healthy.

All 3 of the top picks have issues in regard to the Celtics current roster, Fultz is clearly the best player but we know from history IT doesn't like having another ball handler in the back court with him. Jackson is a SF who will likely need 2-3 seasons to be as good as Crowder and doesn't help their issue with the need for a playmaker and rebounder, and Ball has the same issues as Fultz but off the court concerns due to his fathers influence on him.

So why wouldn't the Celtics trade their bench players and just 1 of 2 of their Nyets picks to make a dramatic upgrade to their Front Court this year? With the second Nyets pick they could still make another trade to upgrade their roster as well or get a player in a draft full of potential stud centers at the top that could actually fit into what their team needs.

NardDogNation wrote:

wargames wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

wargames wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:LOL

Does anyone think the Knicks will get Avery Bradley Jae Crowder adn a pick for Carmelo--that is insane. Whether or not the Bost coaches mightve thought so at the trade deadline--the guy who counts--D Ainge---will NEVER do that. IF anything I think what we are seeing is stay the course bring in a high caliber draft pick--integrate both Brown and that draft pick in with the use of free agency. Boston DOES not need Carmelo

I think the trade to be made was Amir Johnson, Jerebko, Jalen Brown and a pick.... that ship is sailed... Boston would not be the same team without Avery and Crowder both gone.

Trading Melo at the deadline for expiring contracts and a high first round pick in 2017 and 2018 would have been a fantastic deal for the Knicks. But it would have required Ainge to really want to upend the Cavs and GSW this year by adding a fading All Star. Unfortunately for us, Ainge stayed prudent. We will never get anywhere close to such a package for Melo anymore, we needed a desperate trading partner for a decent deal, and no one is going to be desperate this summer.

Clippers look pretty desperate to me and I think the better the Celtics do the more likely Ainge will double down for the right piece to make them complete.

For example a 3 way trade between Clippers, Knicks, and Celtics that sends Blake to Boston, Melo and Lee to the Clippers, and this years Nyets pick, the 2021 Clippers pick and austin Rivers to NY is mathematically feasible and the environment is actually helping to set it up.

Clippers need to make major changes to their team, but don't have the assets to bottom out, plus their best players are FA. They also need to shed some salary and try and replace Reddick who is likely going to leave. Melo and Lee helps them become a better team now and in 2 years they would have money to replace Melo with a younger player(s) when Melo becomes a FA.

Celtics might make it to the ECF and will not have enough fire power to beat the Cavs (and need a rebounder like Blake desperately). Ainge knows from experience that you got to go all in to win a championship when the opportunity presents itself. With all the best wing players likely not making the move to Boston, they can simply not resign Amir Johnson. Jarekbo, and Olynyk and trade Zeller along with this years draft pick for Blake in a S&T and they would be early favorites to win a championship. Hell the Cavs biggest weakness is their bigs and blake would destroy them. I don't even think the knicks would ask for next years pick which fits in line with Ainge's notorious stingyness.

Knicks want to go young and 2 picks and Austin Rivers would be a God send, especially if one of them is a top 3 and they can keep their top 7.

Next years line up

Rivers
Ntilkina
J. Jackson
Kp
Willy

and then they tank again and get Doncic to be their 6th man. Its a long shot, but if it worked the knicks would be built to become a top contender eventually as long as everyone stayed healthy.

Neither Blake Griffin or Melo are worth that 2017 pick and Melo, in particular, is no longer worth an elite draft pick outright. The reality is that he only has a window of 3 or so seasons, whereas an elite draft pick could give up a decade worth of all-star play. The best we can hope for are pick swaps in the distant future, which I believe a feeble-minded GM like Doc Rivers would agree to do. I'd target their 2020 and/or 2021 first round pick for a pick swap.

Also, I think you are vastly overrating the Celtics. With or without Blake, they would not be close to being a true contender. Did you not just see them struggle against a ****ty Bulls team. If that Rondo injury did not occur, it'd gone 7 and who knows who would have won it. But I do think Danny Ainge will try to upgrade their roster to remain competitive.

The scenario is Melo for Blake and then Blake to the Celtics for bench players (like Zeller who isn't even getting playoff minutes) and a pick in a year that doesn't quite fit their current team's need or contending window

Blake is worth that pick as a 28 year old PF (in his prime) who fits their teams championship window and fulfills their need for another playmakers and rebounder.

IT
Avery
Crowder
Blake
Horford

is a lineup that could actually come out the East against Lebron. Also the reason they struggled against the bulls was Rondo's defense on IT made it hard for them to score because he is their only legit playmaker. Horford just put up a great game and they whupped the Wizards ass. Blake is the type of player to always put up a great game if he is healthy.

All 3 of the top picks have issues in regard to the Celtics current roster, Fultz is clearly the best player but we know from history IT doesn't like having another ball handler in the back court with him. Jackson is a SF who will likely need 2-3 seasons to be as good as Crowder and doesn't help their issue with the need for a playmaker and rebounder, and Ball has the same issues as Fultz but off the court concerns due to his fathers influence on him.

So why wouldn't the Celtics trade their bench players and just 1 of 2 of their Nyets picks to make a dramatic upgrade to their Front Court this year? With the second Nyets pick they could still make another trade to upgrade their roster as well or get a player in a draft full of potential stud centers at the top that could actually fit into what their team needs.

Blake seems to be injured for almost as many games that he's eligible to play in. He's been a fairly skilled played but what makes him truly special is his athleticism...and who knows how long he'll be that athletic moving forward. IMO, he's already lost a step and age doesn't help this issue. So no, he's no longer worth a draft pick especially when the Celtics could easily clear cap space to sign him outright.

You keep hyping the Celtics but are failing to acknowledge that the Clippers have had better players with Blake and look how far they've gone. They are certainly not getting out of the East against LeBron when teams like a dysfunctional Rockets team would oust them.

First the Celtics don't have the ability to sign him to a legit max. Only the Clippers can do that. Even injured he put 22 points, 8 rebounds, and 5 assists. He's not a liability on defense and a good argument could be made that pairing him with Jordan in the front court limited his potential since they operate in the same areas on the court (a problem he wouldn't have with Horford). He is two seasons away from being a top 3 player as well.

Also the Clippers are dysfunctional internally. Blake and CP3 are reported to not get along, which keeps them from having the chemistry needed to gel, not to mention that team is way to Top heavy. They have no real quality players outside of their big 3 and redick hitting outside shots because nobody focuses on him during the regular season. Melo to them actually makes them a better team for the next two years because Melo (who only missed 3 games last season due to injuries) actually gets along with CP3.

Hell even Bill Simmons in his last podcast (around the 20 minute mark) admitted that the Clippers should trade Blake for Melo.

EnySpree wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

wargames wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

wargames wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:LOL

Does anyone think the Knicks will get Avery Bradley Jae Crowder adn a pick for Carmelo--that is insane. Whether or not the Bost coaches mightve thought so at the trade deadline--the guy who counts--D Ainge---will NEVER do that. IF anything I think what we are seeing is stay the course bring in a high caliber draft pick--integrate both Brown and that draft pick in with the use of free agency. Boston DOES not need Carmelo

I think the trade to be made was Amir Johnson, Jerebko, Jalen Brown and a pick.... that ship is sailed... Boston would not be the same team without Avery and Crowder both gone.

Trading Melo at the deadline for expiring contracts and a high first round pick in 2017 and 2018 would have been a fantastic deal for the Knicks. But it would have required Ainge to really want to upend the Cavs and GSW this year by adding a fading All Star. Unfortunately for us, Ainge stayed prudent. We will never get anywhere close to such a package for Melo anymore, we needed a desperate trading partner for a decent deal, and no one is going to be desperate this summer.

Clippers look pretty desperate to me and I think the better the Celtics do the more likely Ainge will double down for the right piece to make them complete.

For example a 3 way trade between Clippers, Knicks, and Celtics that sends Blake to Boston, Melo and Lee to the Clippers, and this years Nyets pick, the 2021 Clippers pick and austin Rivers to NY is mathematically feasible and the environment is actually helping to set it up.

Clippers need to make major changes to their team, but don't have the assets to bottom out, plus their best players are FA. They also need to shed some salary and try and replace Reddick who is likely going to leave. Melo and Lee helps them become a better team now and in 2 years they would have money to replace Melo with a younger player(s) when Melo becomes a FA.

Celtics might make it to the ECF and will not have enough fire power to beat the Cavs (and need a rebounder like Blake desperately). Ainge knows from experience that you got to go all in to win a championship when the opportunity presents itself. With all the best wing players likely not making the move to Boston, they can simply not resign Amir Johnson. Jarekbo, and Olynyk and trade Zeller along with this years draft pick for Blake in a S&T and they would be early favorites to win a championship. Hell the Cavs biggest weakness is their bigs and blake would destroy them. I don't even think the knicks would ask for next years pick which fits in line with Ainge's notorious stingyness.

Knicks want to go young and 2 picks and Austin Rivers would be a God send, especially if one of them is a top 3 and they can keep their top 7.

Next years line up

Rivers
Ntilkina
J. Jackson
Kp
Willy

and then they tank again and get Doncic to be their 6th man. Its a long shot, but if it worked the knicks would be built to become a top contender eventually as long as everyone stayed healthy.

Neither Blake Griffin or Melo are worth that 2017 pick and Melo, in particular, is no longer worth an elite draft pick outright. The reality is that he only has a window of 3 or so seasons, whereas an elite draft pick could give up a decade worth of all-star play. The best we can hope for are pick swaps in the distant future, which I believe a feeble-minded GM like Doc Rivers would agree to do. I'd target their 2020 and/or 2021 first round pick for a pick swap.

Also, I think you are vastly overrating the Celtics. With or without Blake, they would not be close to being a true contender. Did you not just see them struggle against a ****ty Bulls team. If that Rondo injury did not occur, it'd gone 7 and who knows who would have won it. But I do think Danny Ainge will try to upgrade their roster to remain competitive.

The scenario is Melo for Blake and then Blake to the Celtics for bench players (like Zeller who isn't even getting playoff minutes) and a pick in a year that doesn't quite fit their current team's need or contending window

Blake is worth that pick as a 28 year old PF (in his prime) who fits their teams championship window and fulfills their need for another playmakers and rebounder.

IT
Avery
Crowder
Blake
Horford

is a lineup that could actually come out the East against Lebron. Also the reason they struggled against the bulls was Rondo's defense on IT made it hard for them to score because he is their only legit playmaker. Horford just put up a great game and they whupped the Wizards ass. Blake is the type of player to always put up a great game if he is healthy.

All 3 of the top picks have issues in regard to the Celtics current roster, Fultz is clearly the best player but we know from history IT doesn't like having another ball handler in the back court with him. Jackson is a SF who will likely need 2-3 seasons to be as good as Crowder and doesn't help their issue with the need for a playmaker and rebounder, and Ball has the same issues as Fultz but off the court concerns due to his fathers influence on him.

So why wouldn't the Celtics trade their bench players and just 1 of 2 of their Nyets picks to make a dramatic upgrade to their Front Court this year? With the second Nyets pick they could still make another trade to upgrade their roster as well or get a player in a draft full of potential stud centers at the top that could actually fit into what their team needs.

Blake seems to be injured for almost as many games that he's eligible to play in. He's been a fairly skilled player but what makes him truly special is his athleticism...and who knows how long he'll be that athletic moving forward. IMO, he's already lost a step and age doesn't help this issue. So no, he's no longer worth a blue chip lottery pick especially when the Celtics could easily clear cap space to sign him outright as a free agent.

You keep hyping the Celtics but are failing to acknowledge that the Clippers have had better players with Blake and look how far they've gone. They are certainly not getting out of the East against LeBron when teams like a dysfunctional Rockets team would oust them.

Thing is Boston will give Clevland all they have right now as is.... the idea to pass Blake to Boston for that #1 is a fantastic idea. Boston can't expect to compete for a championship with the current group by chipping away with an over achieving bunch. Griffin solidifies their club.... drafting Fultz or any of the small fwds doesn't help them. Thet have guards and forwards already. They need stud Power fwd. I disagree about Griffin being only effective cuz of his athleticism. This guy is a great passer from his position sand shoots the ball very well. He's a missing puzzle piece for them.

The Clippers need to reload around CP3. Cp3 wants guys to shoot the passes he gives them. Too often Griffin is passing the ball back. Melo is not passing up tough shots. You find a power fwd that can compete on the boards and shoot and you go to war. There are options there for them.

THE Knicks need that #1 pick...if thet are trading Melo and getting back trash, they need that pick. Fultz would be perfect at lead guard for us. You add that to the probable #7 pick and the Knicks have something special Brewing. Just imagine a core of KP, Willy, Fultz... maybe give Lauri a shot. Roll with Baker and Randle. Put out Lauri, Kuz, KP, Baker, Fultz... Willy, Randle...add the second round pick. Throw the vets in the mix... I mean the world is your oyster.

Speak it into existence

Exactly all the teams get what they need, and even Phil would look like a genius if he pulled that off and that's way less than Pacers and Bulls were asking Boston for PG and Butler who for comparable players (PG leg snapped a few years back) wanted multiple picks and players. Even if the Celtics do the deal they would have assets to round out the roster.

I could see the Knicks getting this years Nyets and maybe even still coming away with that 2021 pick or the 2019 Grizzlies picks and the majority of the fan base would be calling Phil the smartest GM in NY in decades (myself included).

Even ESPN might be forced to give Phil credit for a good deal.

crzymdups wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

wargames wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

wargames wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:LOL

Does anyone think the Knicks will get Avery Bradley Jae Crowder adn a pick for Carmelo--that is insane. Whether or not the Bost coaches mightve thought so at the trade deadline--the guy who counts--D Ainge---will NEVER do that. IF anything I think what we are seeing is stay the course bring in a high caliber draft pick--integrate both Brown and that draft pick in with the use of free agency. Boston DOES not need Carmelo

I think the trade to be made was Amir Johnson, Jerebko, Jalen Brown and a pick.... that ship is sailed... Boston would not be the same team without Avery and Crowder both gone.

Trading Melo at the deadline for expiring contracts and a high first round pick in 2017 and 2018 would have been a fantastic deal for the Knicks. But it would have required Ainge to really want to upend the Cavs and GSW this year by adding a fading All Star. Unfortunately for us, Ainge stayed prudent. We will never get anywhere close to such a package for Melo anymore, we needed a desperate trading partner for a decent deal, and no one is going to be desperate this summer.

Clippers look pretty desperate to me and I think the better the Celtics do the more likely Ainge will double down for the right piece to make them complete.

For example a 3 way trade between Clippers, Knicks, and Celtics that sends Blake to Boston, Melo and Lee to the Clippers, and this years Nyets pick, the 2021 Clippers pick and austin Rivers to NY is mathematically feasible and the environment is actually helping to set it up.

Clippers need to make major changes to their team, but don't have the assets to bottom out, plus their best players are FA. They also need to shed some salary and try and replace Reddick who is likely going to leave. Melo and Lee helps them become a better team now and in 2 years they would have money to replace Melo with a younger player(s) when Melo becomes a FA.

Celtics might make it to the ECF and will not have enough fire power to beat the Cavs (and need a rebounder like Blake desperately). Ainge knows from experience that you got to go all in to win a championship when the opportunity presents itself. With all the best wing players likely not making the move to Boston, they can simply not resign Amir Johnson. Jarekbo, and Olynyk and trade Zeller along with this years draft pick for Blake in a S&T and they would be early favorites to win a championship. Hell the Cavs biggest weakness is their bigs and blake would destroy them. I don't even think the knicks would ask for next years pick which fits in line with Ainge's notorious stingyness.

Knicks want to go young and 2 picks and Austin Rivers would be a God send, especially if one of them is a top 3 and they can keep their top 7.

Next years line up

Rivers
Ntilkina
J. Jackson
Kp
Willy

and then they tank again and get Doncic to be their 6th man. Its a long shot, but if it worked the knicks would be built to become a top contender eventually as long as everyone stayed healthy.

Neither Blake Griffin or Melo are worth that 2017 pick and Melo, in particular, is no longer worth an elite draft pick outright. The reality is that he only has a window of 3 or so seasons, whereas an elite draft pick could give up a decade worth of all-star play. The best we can hope for are pick swaps in the distant future, which I believe a feeble-minded GM like Doc Rivers would agree to do. I'd target their 2020 and/or 2021 first round pick for a pick swap.

Also, I think you are vastly overrating the Celtics. With or without Blake, they would not be close to being a true contender. Did you not just see them struggle against a ****ty Bulls team. If that Rondo injury did not occur, it'd gone 7 and who knows who would have won it. But I do think Danny Ainge will try to upgrade their roster to remain competitive.

The scenario is Melo for Blake and then Blake to the Celtics for bench players (like Zeller who isn't even getting playoff minutes) and a pick in a year that doesn't quite fit their current team's need or contending window

Blake is worth that pick as a 28 year old PF (in his prime) who fits their teams championship window and fulfills their need for another playmakers and rebounder.

IT
Avery
Crowder
Blake
Horford

is a lineup that could actually come out the East against Lebron. Also the reason they struggled against the bulls was Rondo's defense on IT made it hard for them to score because he is their only legit playmaker. Horford just put up a great game and they whupped the Wizards ass. Blake is the type of player to always put up a great game if he is healthy.

All 3 of the top picks have issues in regard to the Celtics current roster, Fultz is clearly the best player but we know from history IT doesn't like having another ball handler in the back court with him. Jackson is a SF who will likely need 2-3 seasons to be as good as Crowder and doesn't help their issue with the need for a playmaker and rebounder, and Ball has the same issues as Fultz but off the court concerns due to his fathers influence on him.

So why wouldn't the Celtics trade their bench players and just 1 of 2 of their Nyets picks to make a dramatic upgrade to their Front Court this year? With the second Nyets pick they could still make another trade to upgrade their roster as well or get a player in a draft full of potential stud centers at the top that could actually fit into what their team needs.

Blake seems to be injured for almost as many games that he's eligible to play in. He's been a fairly skilled player but what makes him truly special is his athleticism...and who knows how long he'll be that athletic moving forward. IMO, he's already lost a step and age doesn't help this issue. So no, he's no longer worth a blue chip lottery pick especially when the Celtics could easily clear cap space to sign him outright as a free agent.

You keep hyping the Celtics but are failing to acknowledge that the Clippers have had better players with Blake and look how far they've gone. They are certainly not getting out of the East against LeBron when teams like a dysfunctional Rockets team would oust them.

Thing is Boston will give Clevland all they have right now as is.... the idea to pass Blake to Boston for that #1 is a fantastic idea. Boston can't expect to compete for a championship with the current group by chipping away with an over achieving bunch. Griffin solidifies their club.... drafting Fultz or any of the small fwds doesn't help them. Thet have guards and forwards already. They need stud Power fwd. I disagree about Griffin being only effective cuz of his athleticism. This guy is a great passer from his position sand shoots the ball very well. He's a missing puzzle piece for them.

The Clippers need to reload around CP3. Cp3 wants guys to shoot the passes he gives them. Too often Griffin is passing the ball back. Melo is not passing up tough shots. You find a power fwd that can compete on the boards and shoot and you go to war. There are options there for them.

THE Knicks need that #1 pick...if thet are trading Melo and getting back trash, they need that pick. Fultz would be perfect at lead guard for us. You add that to the probable #7 pick and the Knicks have something special Brewing. Just imagine a core of KP, Willy, Fultz... maybe give Lauri a shot. Roll with Baker and Randle. Put out Lauri, Kuz, KP, Baker, Fultz... Willy, Randle...add the second round pick. Throw the vets in the mix... I mean the world is your oyster.

Speak it into existence

The problem is that both Isaiah Thomas and Blake are eligible for extensions this summer. So for one thing, the trade would have to happen at the draft. For another, Boston would have to commit to investing $60M to $70M annually in Blake and Isaiah Thomas... not saying they wouldn't... but that's an all-in move. Boston in their other moves has seemed content to build for the next decade via the draft, while remaining competitive in this decade. Maybe if they almost beat Cleveland they change their mind? Would Blake help them get by the Warriors?

Cap wise they could do it and the Clippers are already trying to engage Blake into re-upping. I also don't think they are content to do that. Ainge won a championship because he gathered young players and picks and send them out. This would be the same scenario for them except the Knicks would take one of their picks to facilitate the trade. Ainge knew then whatI assume he remembers now. You got to cash your chips in and go for it because actually making a contender is all about timing.

As for the knicks I still see them struggling next year. But that's ok they have their pick and would officially be in that young team category like the Lakers, and Philly except possibly with better prospects.

crzymdups wrote:

wargames wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

wargames wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

wargames wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

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Does anyone think the Knicks will get Avery Bradley Jae Crowder adn a pick for Carmelo--that is insane. Whether or not the Bost coaches mightve thought so at the trade deadline--the guy who counts--D Ainge---will NEVER do that. IF anything I think what we are seeing is stay the course bring in a high caliber draft pick--integrate both Brown and that draft pick in with the use of free agency. Boston DOES not need Carmelo

I think the trade to be made was Amir Johnson, Jerebko, Jalen Brown and a pick.... that ship is sailed... Boston would not be the same team without Avery and Crowder both gone.

Trading Melo at the deadline for expiring contracts and a high first round pick in 2017 and 2018 would have been a fantastic deal for the Knicks. But it would have required Ainge to really want to upend the Cavs and GSW this year by adding a fading All Star. Unfortunately for us, Ainge stayed prudent. We will never get anywhere close to such a package for Melo anymore, we needed a desperate trading partner for a decent deal, and no one is going to be desperate this summer.

Clippers look pretty desperate to me and I think the better the Celtics do the more likely Ainge will double down for the right piece to make them complete.

For example a 3 way trade between Clippers, Knicks, and Celtics that sends Blake to Boston, Melo and Lee to the Clippers, and this years Nyets pick, the 2021 Clippers pick and austin Rivers to NY is mathematically feasible and the environment is actually helping to set it up.

Clippers need to make major changes to their team, but don't have the assets to bottom out, plus their best players are FA. They also need to shed some salary and try and replace Reddick who is likely going to leave. Melo and Lee helps them become a better team now and in 2 years they would have money to replace Melo with a younger player(s) when Melo becomes a FA.

Celtics might make it to the ECF and will not have enough fire power to beat the Cavs (and need a rebounder like Blake desperately). Ainge knows from experience that you got to go all in to win a championship when the opportunity presents itself. With all the best wing players likely not making the move to Boston, they can simply not resign Amir Johnson. Jarekbo, and Olynyk and trade Zeller along with this years draft pick for Blake in a S&T and they would be early favorites to win a championship. Hell the Cavs biggest weakness is their bigs and blake would destroy them. I don't even think the knicks would ask for next years pick which fits in line with Ainge's notorious stingyness.

Knicks want to go young and 2 picks and Austin Rivers would be a God send, especially if one of them is a top 3 and they can keep their top 7.

Next years line up

Rivers
Ntilkina
J. Jackson
Kp
Willy

and then they tank again and get Doncic to be their 6th man. Its a long shot, but if it worked the knicks would be built to become a top contender eventually as long as everyone stayed healthy.

Neither Blake Griffin or Melo are worth that 2017 pick and Melo, in particular, is no longer worth an elite draft pick outright. The reality is that he only has a window of 3 or so seasons, whereas an elite draft pick could give up a decade worth of all-star play. The best we can hope for are pick swaps in the distant future, which I believe a feeble-minded GM like Doc Rivers would agree to do. I'd target their 2020 and/or 2021 first round pick for a pick swap.

Also, I think you are vastly overrating the Celtics. With or without Blake, they would not be close to being a true contender. Did you not just see them struggle against a ****ty Bulls team. If that Rondo injury did not occur, it'd gone 7 and who knows who would have won it. But I do think Danny Ainge will try to upgrade their roster to remain competitive.

The scenario is Melo for Blake and then Blake to the Celtics for bench players (like Zeller who isn't even getting playoff minutes) and a pick in a year that doesn't quite fit their current team's need or contending window

Blake is worth that pick as a 28 year old PF (in his prime) who fits their teams championship window and fulfills their need for another playmakers and rebounder.

IT
Avery
Crowder
Blake
Horford

is a lineup that could actually come out the East against Lebron. Also the reason they struggled against the bulls was Rondo's defense on IT made it hard for them to score because he is their only legit playmaker. Horford just put up a great game and they whupped the Wizards ass. Blake is the type of player to always put up a great game if he is healthy.

All 3 of the top picks have issues in regard to the Celtics current roster, Fultz is clearly the best player but we know from history IT doesn't like having another ball handler in the back court with him. Jackson is a SF who will likely need 2-3 seasons to be as good as Crowder and doesn't help their issue with the need for a playmaker and rebounder, and Ball has the same issues as Fultz but off the court concerns due to his fathers influence on him.

So why wouldn't the Celtics trade their bench players and just 1 of 2 of their Nyets picks to make a dramatic upgrade to their Front Court this year? With the second Nyets pick they could still make another trade to upgrade their roster as well or get a player in a draft full of potential stud centers at the top that could actually fit into what their team needs.

Blake seems to be injured for almost as many games that he's eligible to play in. He's been a fairly skilled player but what makes him truly special is his athleticism...and who knows how long he'll be that athletic moving forward. IMO, he's already lost a step and age doesn't help this issue. So no, he's no longer worth a blue chip lottery pick especially when the Celtics could easily clear cap space to sign him outright as a free agent.

You keep hyping the Celtics but are failing to acknowledge that the Clippers have had better players with Blake and look how far they've gone. They are certainly not getting out of the East against LeBron when teams like a dysfunctional Rockets team would oust them.

Thing is Boston will give Clevland all they have right now as is.... the idea to pass Blake to Boston for that #1 is a fantastic idea. Boston can't expect to compete for a championship with the current group by chipping away with an over achieving bunch. Griffin solidifies their club.... drafting Fultz or any of the small fwds doesn't help them. Thet have guards and forwards already. They need stud Power fwd. I disagree about Griffin being only effective cuz of his athleticism. This guy is a great passer from his position sand shoots the ball very well. He's a missing puzzle piece for them.

The Clippers need to reload around CP3. Cp3 wants guys to shoot the passes he gives them. Too often Griffin is passing the ball back. Melo is not passing up tough shots. You find a power fwd that can compete on the boards and shoot and you go to war. There are options there for them.

THE Knicks need that #1 pick...if thet are trading Melo and getting back trash, they need that pick. Fultz would be perfect at lead guard for us. You add that to the probable #7 pick and the Knicks have something special Brewing. Just imagine a core of KP, Willy, Fultz... maybe give Lauri a shot. Roll with Baker and Randle. Put out Lauri, Kuz, KP, Baker, Fultz... Willy, Randle...add the second round pick. Throw the vets in the mix... I mean the world is your oyster.

Speak it into existence

The problem is that both Isaiah Thomas and Blake are eligible for extensions this summer. So for one thing, the trade would have to happen at the draft. For another, Boston would have to commit to investing $60M to $70M annually in Blake and Isaiah Thomas... not saying they wouldn't... but that's an all-in move. Boston in their other moves has seemed content to build for the next decade via the draft, while remaining competitive in this decade. Maybe if they almost beat Cleveland they change their mind? Would Blake help them get by the Warriors?

Cap wise they could do it and the Clippers are already trying to engage Blake into re-upping. I also don't think they are content to do that. Ainge won a championship because he gathered young players and picks and send them out. This would be the same scenario for them except the Knicks would take one of their picks to facilitate the trade. Ainge knew then whatI assume he remembers now. You got to cash your chips in and go for it because actually making a contender is all about timing.

As for the knicks I still see them struggling next year. But that's ok they have their pick and would officially be in that young team category like the Lakers, and Philly except possibly with better prospects.

I mean... I don't see any way in hell the Knicks get that Nets pick from the Celtics. We'll see, but I highly highly highly doubt it. In this draft, that pick is more valuable than Blake Griffin and Melo combined (at the points they're at in their career). That's not a pick you throw in to facilitate a trade. That's a pick you move to get a young allstar.

You realize that Blakes Stats are better than PG this year and he is only 2 years older than him he also has basically the same stats as Butler but he avgs 2 more rebounds and is 1 year older. Also there current teams wanted multiple Nyets Picks and/or their best players. Add to that PG wanting to go to the Lakers, and Butler wanting to stay in Chicago (where at 1 year younger they feel he is still young enough to build around). Blake is also a top 10 rebounder for a player who isn't a center (something the Celtics desperately need)

I could see your argument for Melo because of his age (even though his stats are on par with all the players I just mentioned except for defense) but Blake is worth at least a high draft pick, and with all the protections the NBA put into the current CBA to make getting a star in FA extremely difficult. Being able to get a player of Blakes caliber for 1 1st round pick would be a steal for the Celtics and I am pretty sure Ainge knows that because they would have assets to add around that core (AKA the biggest mistake the knicks always make)

crzymdups wrote:

wargames wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

wargames wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

wargames wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

wargames wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:LOL

Does anyone think the Knicks will get Avery Bradley Jae Crowder adn a pick for Carmelo--that is insane. Whether or not the Bost coaches mightve thought so at the trade deadline--the guy who counts--D Ainge---will NEVER do that. IF anything I think what we are seeing is stay the course bring in a high caliber draft pick--integrate both Brown and that draft pick in with the use of free agency. Boston DOES not need Carmelo

I think the trade to be made was Amir Johnson, Jerebko, Jalen Brown and a pick.... that ship is sailed... Boston would not be the same team without Avery and Crowder both gone.

Trading Melo at the deadline for expiring contracts and a high first round pick in 2017 and 2018 would have been a fantastic deal for the Knicks. But it would have required Ainge to really want to upend the Cavs and GSW this year by adding a fading All Star. Unfortunately for us, Ainge stayed prudent. We will never get anywhere close to such a package for Melo anymore, we needed a desperate trading partner for a decent deal, and no one is going to be desperate this summer.

Clippers look pretty desperate to me and I think the better the Celtics do the more likely Ainge will double down for the right piece to make them complete.

For example a 3 way trade between Clippers, Knicks, and Celtics that sends Blake to Boston, Melo and Lee to the Clippers, and this years Nyets pick, the 2021 Clippers pick and austin Rivers to NY is mathematically feasible and the environment is actually helping to set it up.

Clippers need to make major changes to their team, but don't have the assets to bottom out, plus their best players are FA. They also need to shed some salary and try and replace Reddick who is likely going to leave. Melo and Lee helps them become a better team now and in 2 years they would have money to replace Melo with a younger player(s) when Melo becomes a FA.

Celtics might make it to the ECF and will not have enough fire power to beat the Cavs (and need a rebounder like Blake desperately). Ainge knows from experience that you got to go all in to win a championship when the opportunity presents itself. With all the best wing players likely not making the move to Boston, they can simply not resign Amir Johnson. Jarekbo, and Olynyk and trade Zeller along with this years draft pick for Blake in a S&T and they would be early favorites to win a championship. Hell the Cavs biggest weakness is their bigs and blake would destroy them. I don't even think the knicks would ask for next years pick which fits in line with Ainge's notorious stingyness.

Knicks want to go young and 2 picks and Austin Rivers would be a God send, especially if one of them is a top 3 and they can keep their top 7.

Next years line up

Rivers
Ntilkina
J. Jackson
Kp
Willy

and then they tank again and get Doncic to be their 6th man. Its a long shot, but if it worked the knicks would be built to become a top contender eventually as long as everyone stayed healthy.

Neither Blake Griffin or Melo are worth that 2017 pick and Melo, in particular, is no longer worth an elite draft pick outright. The reality is that he only has a window of 3 or so seasons, whereas an elite draft pick could give up a decade worth of all-star play. The best we can hope for are pick swaps in the distant future, which I believe a feeble-minded GM like Doc Rivers would agree to do. I'd target their 2020 and/or 2021 first round pick for a pick swap.

Also, I think you are vastly overrating the Celtics. With or without Blake, they would not be close to being a true contender. Did you not just see them struggle against a ****ty Bulls team. If that Rondo injury did not occur, it'd gone 7 and who knows who would have won it. But I do think Danny Ainge will try to upgrade their roster to remain competitive.

The scenario is Melo for Blake and then Blake to the Celtics for bench players (like Zeller who isn't even getting playoff minutes) and a pick in a year that doesn't quite fit their current team's need or contending window

Blake is worth that pick as a 28 year old PF (in his prime) who fits their teams championship window and fulfills their need for another playmakers and rebounder.

IT
Avery
Crowder
Blake
Horford

is a lineup that could actually come out the East against Lebron. Also the reason they struggled against the bulls was Rondo's defense on IT made it hard for them to score because he is their only legit playmaker. Horford just put up a great game and they whupped the Wizards ass. Blake is the type of player to always put up a great game if he is healthy.

All 3 of the top picks have issues in regard to the Celtics current roster, Fultz is clearly the best player but we know from history IT doesn't like having another ball handler in the back court with him. Jackson is a SF who will likely need 2-3 seasons to be as good as Crowder and doesn't help their issue with the need for a playmaker and rebounder, and Ball has the same issues as Fultz but off the court concerns due to his fathers influence on him.

So why wouldn't the Celtics trade their bench players and just 1 of 2 of their Nyets picks to make a dramatic upgrade to their Front Court this year? With the second Nyets pick they could still make another trade to upgrade their roster as well or get a player in a draft full of potential stud centers at the top that could actually fit into what their team needs.

Blake seems to be injured for almost as many games that he's eligible to play in. He's been a fairly skilled player but what makes him truly special is his athleticism...and who knows how long he'll be that athletic moving forward. IMO, he's already lost a step and age doesn't help this issue. So no, he's no longer worth a blue chip lottery pick especially when the Celtics could easily clear cap space to sign him outright as a free agent.

You keep hyping the Celtics but are failing to acknowledge that the Clippers have had better players with Blake and look how far they've gone. They are certainly not getting out of the East against LeBron when teams like a dysfunctional Rockets team would oust them.

Thing is Boston will give Clevland all they have right now as is.... the idea to pass Blake to Boston for that #1 is a fantastic idea. Boston can't expect to compete for a championship with the current group by chipping away with an over achieving bunch. Griffin solidifies their club.... drafting Fultz or any of the small fwds doesn't help them. Thet have guards and forwards already. They need stud Power fwd. I disagree about Griffin being only effective cuz of his athleticism. This guy is a great passer from his position sand shoots the ball very well. He's a missing puzzle piece for them.

The Clippers need to reload around CP3. Cp3 wants guys to shoot the passes he gives them. Too often Griffin is passing the ball back. Melo is not passing up tough shots. You find a power fwd that can compete on the boards and shoot and you go to war. There are options there for them.

THE Knicks need that #1 pick...if thet are trading Melo and getting back trash, they need that pick. Fultz would be perfect at lead guard for us. You add that to the probable #7 pick and the Knicks have something special Brewing. Just imagine a core of KP, Willy, Fultz... maybe give Lauri a shot. Roll with Baker and Randle. Put out Lauri, Kuz, KP, Baker, Fultz... Willy, Randle...add the second round pick. Throw the vets in the mix... I mean the world is your oyster.

Speak it into existence

The problem is that both Isaiah Thomas and Blake are eligible for extensions this summer. So for one thing, the trade would have to happen at the draft. For another, Boston would have to commit to investing $60M to $70M annually in Blake and Isaiah Thomas... not saying they wouldn't... but that's an all-in move. Boston in their other moves has seemed content to build for the next decade via the draft, while remaining competitive in this decade. Maybe if they almost beat Cleveland they change their mind? Would Blake help them get by the Warriors?

Cap wise they could do it and the Clippers are already trying to engage Blake into re-upping. I also don't think they are content to do that. Ainge won a championship because he gathered young players and picks and send them out. This would be the same scenario for them except the Knicks would take one of their picks to facilitate the trade. Ainge knew then whatI assume he remembers now. You got to cash your chips in and go for it because actually making a contender is all about timing.

As for the knicks I still see them struggling next year. But that's ok they have their pick and would officially be in that young team category like the Lakers, and Philly except possibly with better prospects.

I mean... I don't see any way in hell the Knicks get that Nets pick from the Celtics. We'll see, but I highly highly highly doubt it. In this draft, that pick is more valuable than Blake Griffin and Melo combined (at the points they're at in their career). That's not a pick you throw in to facilitate a trade. That's a pick you move to get a young allstar.

You realize that Blakes Stats are better than PG this year and he is only 2 years older than him he also has basically the same stats as Butler but he avgs 2 more rebounds and is 1 year older. Also there current teams wanted multiple Nyets Picks and/or their best players. Add to that PG wanting to go to the Lakers, and Butler wanting to stay in Chicago (where at 1 year younger they feel he is still young enough to build around). Blake is also a top 10 rebounder for a player who isn't a center (something the Celtics desperately need)

I could see your argument for Melo because of his age (even though his stats are on par with all the players I just mentioned except for defense) but Blake is worth at least a high draft pick, and with all the protections the NBA put into the current CBA to make getting a star in FA extremely difficult. Being able to get a player of Blakes caliber for 1 1st round pick would be a steal for the Celtics and I am pretty sure Ainge knows that because they would have assets to add around that core (AKA the biggest mistake the knicks always make)

Yes, Blake may be worth a high pick. But Melo is not. Why would the Clippers give us a top three pick for Melo? That is insanity.

Also, Blake has had a lot of seasons end early due to injury. Teams notice that.

No guarantee a unprotected pick in 2021 is top 3. Chances are it would be a lottery pick but you don't know (which is why I am hesitant to take that and trash alone for Melo) they could luck up into great players in the draft they do have picks in between now and then and bring in decent FA and that pick can be a pick #20 for all we know.

Also Clipper don't need a pick they need to compete with the window their best players have now. The only team that is rebuilding in that trade is the knicks.

As for Blake those injuries are the only reason the Celtics could get him for just 1 high Nyets pick. If he was healthy on a consistent basis based on his stats and age he would be worth more.

Lastly I think as a franchise the knicks show that if the gulf in primes is too big between players primes on a team its just not a good mix. Getting a great player at age 19 who is 10 years younger than the rest of your team means that 1) you might bench him a lot because the rest of the team is focused on winning more than that player getting reps, 2) by the time that player reaches their prime at say 25----- the rest of the team is 32 and exiting theres. Blake is the same age as Isiah and 2 years younger than Horford.

EnySpree wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

wargames wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

wargames wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:LOL

Does anyone think the Knicks will get Avery Bradley Jae Crowder adn a pick for Carmelo--that is insane. Whether or not the Bost coaches mightve thought so at the trade deadline--the guy who counts--D Ainge---will NEVER do that. IF anything I think what we are seeing is stay the course bring in a high caliber draft pick--integrate both Brown and that draft pick in with the use of free agency. Boston DOES not need Carmelo

I think the trade to be made was Amir Johnson, Jerebko, Jalen Brown and a pick.... that ship is sailed... Boston would not be the same team without Avery and Crowder both gone.

Trading Melo at the deadline for expiring contracts and a high first round pick in 2017 and 2018 would have been a fantastic deal for the Knicks. But it would have required Ainge to really want to upend the Cavs and GSW this year by adding a fading All Star. Unfortunately for us, Ainge stayed prudent. We will never get anywhere close to such a package for Melo anymore, we needed a desperate trading partner for a decent deal, and no one is going to be desperate this summer.

Clippers look pretty desperate to me and I think the better the Celtics do the more likely Ainge will double down for the right piece to make them complete.

For example a 3 way trade between Clippers, Knicks, and Celtics that sends Blake to Boston, Melo and Lee to the Clippers, and this years Nyets pick, the 2021 Clippers pick and austin Rivers to NY is mathematically feasible and the environment is actually helping to set it up.

Clippers need to make major changes to their team, but don't have the assets to bottom out, plus their best players are FA. They also need to shed some salary and try and replace Reddick who is likely going to leave. Melo and Lee helps them become a better team now and in 2 years they would have money to replace Melo with a younger player(s) when Melo becomes a FA.

Celtics might make it to the ECF and will not have enough fire power to beat the Cavs (and need a rebounder like Blake desperately). Ainge knows from experience that you got to go all in to win a championship when the opportunity presents itself. With all the best wing players likely not making the move to Boston, they can simply not resign Amir Johnson. Jarekbo, and Olynyk and trade Zeller along with this years draft pick for Blake in a S&T and they would be early favorites to win a championship. Hell the Cavs biggest weakness is their bigs and blake would destroy them. I don't even think the knicks would ask for next years pick which fits in line with Ainge's notorious stingyness.

Knicks want to go young and 2 picks and Austin Rivers would be a God send, especially if one of them is a top 3 and they can keep their top 7.

Next years line up

Rivers
Ntilkina
J. Jackson
Kp
Willy

and then they tank again and get Doncic to be their 6th man. Its a long shot, but if it worked the knicks would be built to become a top contender eventually as long as everyone stayed healthy.

Neither Blake Griffin or Melo are worth that 2017 pick and Melo, in particular, is no longer worth an elite draft pick outright. The reality is that he only has a window of 3 or so seasons, whereas an elite draft pick could give up a decade worth of all-star play. The best we can hope for are pick swaps in the distant future, which I believe a feeble-minded GM like Doc Rivers would agree to do. I'd target their 2020 and/or 2021 first round pick for a pick swap.

Also, I think you are vastly overrating the Celtics. With or without Blake, they would not be close to being a true contender. Did you not just see them struggle against a ****ty Bulls team. If that Rondo injury did not occur, it'd gone 7 and who knows who would have won it. But I do think Danny Ainge will try to upgrade their roster to remain competitive.

The scenario is Melo for Blake and then Blake to the Celtics for bench players (like Zeller who isn't even getting playoff minutes) and a pick in a year that doesn't quite fit their current team's need or contending window

Blake is worth that pick as a 28 year old PF (in his prime) who fits their teams championship window and fulfills their need for another playmakers and rebounder.

IT
Avery
Crowder
Blake
Horford

is a lineup that could actually come out the East against Lebron. Also the reason they struggled against the bulls was Rondo's defense on IT made it hard for them to score because he is their only legit playmaker. Horford just put up a great game and they whupped the Wizards ass. Blake is the type of player to always put up a great game if he is healthy.

All 3 of the top picks have issues in regard to the Celtics current roster, Fultz is clearly the best player but we know from history IT doesn't like having another ball handler in the back court with him. Jackson is a SF who will likely need 2-3 seasons to be as good as Crowder and doesn't help their issue with the need for a playmaker and rebounder, and Ball has the same issues as Fultz but off the court concerns due to his fathers influence on him.

So why wouldn't the Celtics trade their bench players and just 1 of 2 of their Nyets picks to make a dramatic upgrade to their Front Court this year? With the second Nyets pick they could still make another trade to upgrade their roster as well or get a player in a draft full of potential stud centers at the top that could actually fit into what their team needs.

Blake seems to be injured for almost as many games that he's eligible to play in. He's been a fairly skilled player but what makes him truly special is his athleticism...and who knows how long he'll be that athletic moving forward. IMO, he's already lost a step and age doesn't help this issue. So no, he's no longer worth a blue chip lottery pick especially when the Celtics could easily clear cap space to sign him outright as a free agent.

You keep hyping the Celtics but are failing to acknowledge that the Clippers have had better players with Blake and look how far they've gone. They are certainly not getting out of the East against LeBron when teams like a dysfunctional Rockets team would oust them.

Thing is Boston will give Clevland all they have right now as is.... the idea to pass Blake to Boston for that #1 is a fantastic idea. Boston can't expect to compete for a championship with the current group by chipping away with an over achieving bunch. Griffin solidifies their club.... drafting Fultz or any of the small fwds doesn't help them. Thet have guards and forwards already. They need stud Power fwd. I disagree about Griffin being only effective cuz of his athleticism. This guy is a great passer from his position sand shoots the ball very well. He's a missing puzzle piece for them.

The Clippers need to reload around CP3. Cp3 wants guys to shoot the passes he gives them. Too often Griffin is passing the ball back. Melo is not passing up tough shots. You find a power fwd that can compete on the boards and shoot and you go to war. There are options there for them.

THE Knicks need that #1 pick...if thet are trading Melo and getting back trash, they need that pick. Fultz would be perfect at lead guard for us. You add that to the probable #7 pick and the Knicks have something special Brewing. Just imagine a core of KP, Willy, Fultz... maybe give Lauri a shot. Roll with Baker and Randle. Put out Lauri, Kuz, KP, Baker, Fultz... Willy, Randle...add the second round pick. Throw the vets in the mix... I mean the world is your oyster.

Speak it into existence

If you can speak it into existence so be it and while the Gods are playin footsie, forget Laurie as we don't need 3 -4 relatively un athletic 7 footers. Fultz in a Heartbeat as SG and Fox as floor general and you've a backcourt for years. You'll still need a Bona fide SF but that will have to wait
Until its spoken into existence in 2018.

Is it so Griffen can get the larger Clippers new contract in a S&T?

wargames wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:I am likely missing something obvious, but considering Celtics have about $33m in projected cap space, and Griffen can be a UFA, would be they need to Knicks to facilitate acquiring Griffen?

Is it so Griffen can get the larger Clippers new contract in a S&T?

CP3 would more likely want to play with Melo than avery Bradley and rookies.

For them to stay relevant in a market like LA (where most fans are secretly waiting for the Lakers to be good again) they need star power.

Melo would be the only player in that trade who could likely get the Clippers into a deep run. Plus the Knicks could also send lee for Austin (that works for the Clippers) for maybe a protected 2021 pick back.

Also the Knicks would be the only team willing to take trash for Picks. So Zeller and 1 to 2 picks For a player of Blakes level. Clipper would likely need more to do the trade that the Celtics are hesitant to do because they want to keep their team together. Rumor was the Celtics offered picks(s) for Butler but Chicago wisely said they needed players back to build their roster cause they didn't want to tank. NY is likely tanking so that wouldn't hold up a trade.

What I'm asking is why can't the Celtics just sign Griffen as an UFA themselves and keep their picks?

EnySpree wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

wargames wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

wargames wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:LOL

Does anyone think the Knicks will get Avery Bradley Jae Crowder adn a pick for Carmelo--that is insane. Whether or not the Bost coaches mightve thought so at the trade deadline--the guy who counts--D Ainge---will NEVER do that. IF anything I think what we are seeing is stay the course bring in a high caliber draft pick--integrate both Brown and that draft pick in with the use of free agency. Boston DOES not need Carmelo

I think the trade to be made was Amir Johnson, Jerebko, Jalen Brown and a pick.... that ship is sailed... Boston would not be the same team without Avery and Crowder both gone.

Trading Melo at the deadline for expiring contracts and a high first round pick in 2017 and 2018 would have been a fantastic deal for the Knicks. But it would have required Ainge to really want to upend the Cavs and GSW this year by adding a fading All Star. Unfortunately for us, Ainge stayed prudent. We will never get anywhere close to such a package for Melo anymore, we needed a desperate trading partner for a decent deal, and no one is going to be desperate this summer.

Clippers look pretty desperate to me and I think the better the Celtics do the more likely Ainge will double down for the right piece to make them complete.

For example a 3 way trade between Clippers, Knicks, and Celtics that sends Blake to Boston, Melo and Lee to the Clippers, and this years Nyets pick, the 2021 Clippers pick and austin Rivers to NY is mathematically feasible and the environment is actually helping to set it up.

Clippers need to make major changes to their team, but don't have the assets to bottom out, plus their best players are FA. They also need to shed some salary and try and replace Reddick who is likely going to leave. Melo and Lee helps them become a better team now and in 2 years they would have money to replace Melo with a younger player(s) when Melo becomes a FA.

Celtics might make it to the ECF and will not have enough fire power to beat the Cavs (and need a rebounder like Blake desperately). Ainge knows from experience that you got to go all in to win a championship when the opportunity presents itself. With all the best wing players likely not making the move to Boston, they can simply not resign Amir Johnson. Jarekbo, and Olynyk and trade Zeller along with this years draft pick for Blake in a S&T and they would be early favorites to win a championship. Hell the Cavs biggest weakness is their bigs and blake would destroy them. I don't even think the knicks would ask for next years pick which fits in line with Ainge's notorious stingyness.

Knicks want to go young and 2 picks and Austin Rivers would be a God send, especially if one of them is a top 3 and they can keep their top 7.

Next years line up

Rivers
Ntilkina
J. Jackson
Kp
Willy

and then they tank again and get Doncic to be their 6th man. Its a long shot, but if it worked the knicks would be built to become a top contender eventually as long as everyone stayed healthy.

Neither Blake Griffin or Melo are worth that 2017 pick and Melo, in particular, is no longer worth an elite draft pick outright. The reality is that he only has a window of 3 or so seasons, whereas an elite draft pick could give up a decade worth of all-star play. The best we can hope for are pick swaps in the distant future, which I believe a feeble-minded GM like Doc Rivers would agree to do. I'd target their 2020 and/or 2021 first round pick for a pick swap.

Also, I think you are vastly overrating the Celtics. With or without Blake, they would not be close to being a true contender. Did you not just see them struggle against a ****ty Bulls team. If that Rondo injury did not occur, it'd gone 7 and who knows who would have won it. But I do think Danny Ainge will try to upgrade their roster to remain competitive.

The scenario is Melo for Blake and then Blake to the Celtics for bench players (like Zeller who isn't even getting playoff minutes) and a pick in a year that doesn't quite fit their current team's need or contending window

Blake is worth that pick as a 28 year old PF (in his prime) who fits their teams championship window and fulfills their need for another playmakers and rebounder.

IT
Avery
Crowder
Blake
Horford

is a lineup that could actually come out the East against Lebron. Also the reason they struggled against the bulls was Rondo's defense on IT made it hard for them to score because he is their only legit playmaker. Horford just put up a great game and they whupped the Wizards ass. Blake is the type of player to always put up a great game if he is healthy.

All 3 of the top picks have issues in regard to the Celtics current roster, Fultz is clearly the best player but we know from history IT doesn't like having another ball handler in the back court with him. Jackson is a SF who will likely need 2-3 seasons to be as good as Crowder and doesn't help their issue with the need for a playmaker and rebounder, and Ball has the same issues as Fultz but off the court concerns due to his fathers influence on him.

So why wouldn't the Celtics trade their bench players and just 1 of 2 of their Nyets picks to make a dramatic upgrade to their Front Court this year? With the second Nyets pick they could still make another trade to upgrade their roster as well or get a player in a draft full of potential stud centers at the top that could actually fit into what their team needs.

Blake seems to be injured for almost as many games that he's eligible to play in. He's been a fairly skilled player but what makes him truly special is his athleticism...and who knows how long he'll be that athletic moving forward. IMO, he's already lost a step and age doesn't help this issue. So no, he's no longer worth a blue chip lottery pick especially when the Celtics could easily clear cap space to sign him outright as a free agent.

You keep hyping the Celtics but are failing to acknowledge that the Clippers have had better players with Blake and look how far they've gone. They are certainly not getting out of the East against LeBron when teams like a dysfunctional Rockets team would oust them.

Thing is Boston will give Clevland all they have right now as is.... the idea to pass Blake to Boston for that #1 is a fantastic idea. Boston can't expect to compete for a championship with the current group by chipping away with an over achieving bunch. Griffin solidifies their club.... drafting Fultz or any of the small fwds doesn't help them. Thet have guards and forwards already. They need stud Power fwd. I disagree about Griffin being only effective cuz of his athleticism. This guy is a great passer from his position sand shoots the ball very well. He's a missing puzzle piece for them.

The Clippers need to reload around CP3. Cp3 wants guys to shoot the passes he gives them. Too often Griffin is passing the ball back. Melo is not passing up tough shots. You find a power fwd that can compete on the boards and shoot and you go to war. There are options there for them.

THE Knicks need that #1 pick...if thet are trading Melo and getting back trash, they need that pick. Fultz would be perfect at lead guard for us. You add that to the probable #7 pick and the Knicks have something special Brewing. Just imagine a core of KP, Willy, Fultz... maybe give Lauri a shot. Roll with Baker and Randle. Put out Lauri, Kuz, KP, Baker, Fultz... Willy, Randle...add the second round pick. Throw the vets in the mix... I mean the world is your oyster.

Speak it into existence

The problem is that both Isaiah Thomas and Blake are eligible for extensions this summer. So for one thing, the trade would have to happen at the draft. For another, Boston would have to commit to investing $60M to $70M annually in Blake and Isaiah Thomas... not saying they wouldn't... but that's an all-in move. Boston in their other moves has seemed content to build for the next decade via the draft, while remaining competitive in this decade. Maybe if they almost beat Cleveland they change their mind? Would Blake help them get by the Warriors?

But getting nobody is doing what for them? They turn this Nets pick into Blake Griffin and still have that late 1st rounder.

Again, why can't they just sign Griffin outright?