Resign DRose to a fat contract, but with a team option after two years. Give him two seasons with no distractions to hone his craft and work on his game. He is all in or he is gone. If he can get a better deal elsewhere or does not find this arrangement acceptable, then he need not sign.

This is about "Knicks first"!!! "Make knicks great again".

If you replace Phil you want a guy/system that has proven itself and COMMITMENT!!!
We don't have to do that. If Phil made a mistake it was not going all in prior.
Starphuchers want something that worked somewhere else and think it can just be replicated here overnight.
Knicks and fans were enamored with Phil because of his history. I was floored when he took the gig because the common thought that he would only go to a team that was full of assets. Instead he came here with just one first round pick in three years and no prospects on the roster to speak of.

its time that we only have players that are fully committed to the triangle, or any other system we have. Melo was a dumb trade because he came with MDA as coach. He wanted to be here but wanted no part of MDA. No more of that.

Want to be here, its about playing the type of ball we play. Its time the franchise behave like winning teams do. Pop does not bring in players who won't play his brand of ball. If we are not a winning franchise, its time to at least act like one. if we do, the rest will come. Maybe Phil has tried to do things on the fly and had one concession with Dolan regarding melo and his NTC. Well, that was then, this is now.

A team can firm up its culture without firing. Sometimes the easiest and smartest changes are not making wholesale changes, but fine tuning.

Nalod wrote:

holfresh wrote:KP and Willy just got mauled last night..Not just by Gobert but by his back up too...Not a good time for this thread because no one will hold them accountable...

After seeing KP and Gobert hug after the game, Breen said there goes two of the "best young bigs" in the league..It's like he didn't see the game..JVG probably gagged on that one..He was telling it like it is all game about how bad our bigs can't defend..Gobert outplayed KP but he isn't consider one of the best young bigs...He is a really good interior defender...But let's continue to deflect and say it's Melo, Rose and the triangle...

We can't defend for the nth time and won't next year either with our heads in the sand...

Any thought that the kids can improve their defense?

fishmike wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Nalod wrote:

holfresh wrote:KP and Willy just got mauled last night..Not just by Gobert but by his back up too...Not a good time for this thread because no one will hold them accountable...

After seeing KP and Gobert hug after the game, Breen said there goes two of the "best young bigs" in the league..It's like he didn't see the game..JVG probably gagged on that one..He was telling it like it is all game about how bad our bigs can't defend..Gobert outplayed KP but he isn't consider one of the best young bigs...He is a really good interior defender...But let's continue to deflect and say it's Melo, Rose and the triangle...

We can't defend for the nth time and won't next year either with our heads in the sand...

Any thought that the kids can improve their defense?

Sure..I think Willy can really improve because he has the frame to bulk up...KP will struggle, he just doesn't have the frame for strength needed to fight off bigs for 82 game and draw the best defenders(team post Melo)..So can they really play together??..It's a long shot to me...But the current narrative is trying to re-frame the debate by suggesting the issue is Melo and Rose..The debate is whether or not we can rebuild around these two players playing the same position...

Well KP and Willy give you hope and have upside. They are 21/22 respectively. However we know that Melo no longer has a position in the NBA. He cant defend 3s or 4 and holds the ball. Rose cant defend 1s or 2s and over dribbles.

Rose has not been a good player for a few years. Neither has Melo. Its time to move on from vets who think they are better than the are and dont play team ball. Tough to understand for you but many understand this.

Nalod wrote:

holfresh wrote:

fishmike wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Nalod wrote:

holfresh wrote:KP and Willy just got mauled last night..Not just by Gobert but by his back up too...Not a good time for this thread because no one will hold them accountable...

After seeing KP and Gobert hug after the game, Breen said there goes two of the "best young bigs" in the league..It's like he didn't see the game..JVG probably gagged on that one..He was telling it like it is all game about how bad our bigs can't defend..Gobert outplayed KP but he isn't consider one of the best young bigs...He is a really good interior defender...But let's continue to deflect and say it's Melo, Rose and the triangle...

We can't defend for the nth time and won't next year either with our heads in the sand...

Any thought that the kids can improve their defense?

Sure..I think Willy can really improve because he has the frame to bulk up...KP will struggle, he just doesn't have the frame for strength needed to fight off bigs for 82 game and draw the best defenders(team post Melo)..So can they really play together??..It's a long shot to me...But the current narrative is trying to re-frame the debate by suggesting the issue is Melo and Rose..The debate is whether or not we can rebuild around these two players playing the same position...

Well KP and Willy give you hope and have upside. They are 21/22 respectively. However we know that Melo no longer has a position in the NBA. He cant defend 3s or 4 and holds the ball. Rose cant defend 1s or 2s and over dribbles.

Rose has not been a good player for a few years. Neither has Melo. Its time to move on from vets who think they are better than the are and dont play team ball. Tough to understand for you but many understand this.

The Melo comments are stupid because he is the best 4 defender on the roster and still the best scorer on the team by far...So it should be an indicative measure of exactly where we re with the guys you want to build around...Rose in a PnR situation next year will be a borderline all star..

But you are all missing Rose's talent...Rose is still trying to figure out his new role post knee surgery..He is trying to play slower and more methodical..He needs a good coach..Some one must have told him about the fouls can can draw and he made the adjustment the last few weeks and getting to the line..A better coach will work with his passing for next year...Dumb organization we support...We will lose rose for nothing and he will star next year elsewhere, but that's par for the course isn't it...

I think you are looking at things in the near moment. Yes, melo is our best player but he is unable to play and defend the 4 for a full game and a season. Maybe unwilling, but I don't know.
He is an elite shooter and can pass, but that is inconsistent for what ever reason. At 33 he is likely to not improve in areas he is deficient.

What you say about KP is "does not have the frame" suggests he won't fill out. This has been addressed where Knicks said they think he is wide in the hips, and a strong core that he will get stronger.
What I can't say is "for sure". What I can't say is when.

SO perhaps you see things in the current context where team construction is about the next day, next game, next week, next month and even next season, and the seasons after that.

I never heard that but I certainly hope that's the case...My concern with him from day one when I saw videos of him, was that his knees buckled when ever he jumped..His knees still buckle but not as pronounced...His frame looked weak and would struggle with added weight...Much like Camby..Gaining the strength necessary to hold his own against players who don't have to overcome such physical weaknesses will be a tall order...But I hope your and the team's assessment about his strength is correct...Seems like our future will ride on it...I won't believe it until I see it..

Ironically, he looks like he has the Phil Jackson playing frame...

Regarding Melo at the 4, who defends it better on this roster??

holfresh wrote:

Nalod wrote:

holfresh wrote:

fishmike wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Nalod wrote:

holfresh wrote:KP and Willy just got mauled last night..Not just by Gobert but by his back up too...Not a good time for this thread because no one will hold them accountable...

After seeing KP and Gobert hug after the game, Breen said there goes two of the "best young bigs" in the league..It's like he didn't see the game..JVG probably gagged on that one..He was telling it like it is all game about how bad our bigs can't defend..Gobert outplayed KP but he isn't consider one of the best young bigs...He is a really good interior defender...But let's continue to deflect and say it's Melo, Rose and the triangle...

We can't defend for the nth time and won't next year either with our heads in the sand...

Any thought that the kids can improve their defense?

Sure..I think Willy can really improve because he has the frame to bulk up...KP will struggle, he just doesn't have the frame for strength needed to fight off bigs for 82 game and draw the best defenders(team post Melo)..So can they really play together??..It's a long shot to me...But the current narrative is trying to re-frame the debate by suggesting the issue is Melo and Rose..The debate is whether or not we can rebuild around these two players playing the same position...

Well KP and Willy give you hope and have upside. They are 21/22 respectively. However we know that Melo no longer has a position in the NBA. He cant defend 3s or 4 and holds the ball. Rose cant defend 1s or 2s and over dribbles.

Rose has not been a good player for a few years. Neither has Melo. Its time to move on from vets who think they are better than the are and dont play team ball. Tough to understand for you but many understand this.

The Melo comments are stupid because he is the best 4 defender on the roster and still the best scorer on the team by far...So it should be an indicative measure of exactly where we re with the guys you want to build around...Rose in a PnR situation next year will be a borderline all star..

But you are all missing Rose's talent...Rose is still trying to figure out his new role post knee surgery..He is trying to play slower and more methodical..He needs a good coach..Some one must have told him about the fouls can can draw and he made the adjustment the last few weeks and getting to the line..A better coach will work with his passing for next year...Dumb organization we support...We will lose rose for nothing and he will star next year elsewhere, but that's par for the course isn't it...

I think you are looking at things in the near moment. Yes, melo is our best player but he is unable to play and defend the 4 for a full game and a season. Maybe unwilling, but I don't know.
He is an elite shooter and can pass, but that is inconsistent for what ever reason. At 33 he is likely to not improve in areas he is deficient.

What you say about KP is "does not have the frame" suggests he won't fill out. This has been addressed where Knicks said they think he is wide in the hips, and a strong core that he will get stronger.
What I can't say is "for sure". What I can't say is when.

SO perhaps you see things in the current context where team construction is about the next day, next game, next week, next month and even next season, and the seasons after that.

I never heard that but I certainly hope that's the case...My concern with him from day one when I saw videos of him, was that his knees buckled when ever he jumped..His knees still buckle but not as pronounced...His frame looked weak and would struggle with added weight...Much like Camby..Gaining the strength necessary to hold his own against players who don't have to overcome such physical weaknesses will be a tall order...But I hope your and the team's assessment about his strength is correct...Seems like our future will ride on it...I won't believe it until I see it..

Ironically, he looks to have the Phil Jackson frame...

Regarding Melo at the 4, who defends it better on this roster??

Its about Melo defending the 4 next two years. He is our best defender at the 4. You want him there? Does he want to be there?
I like him at the 4. I don't like KP at the 5. Im not benching KP. Its not like we contending.

Phil broke scoring records in NCAA II divsion and twice went to championship games. He was a second round draft pick. NCAA II was more substantial back in the day. Before you slam it, Southern Illinois was Div. II. Clydes school. He did pretty well?

Not here to sell you on phil the player. I never saw him play before his back surgery which in 1970 was primative stuff and the fact he had a nice long NBA career speaks to character and perseverance of the man to return from what many stopped their career.

This guy was pretty skinny at age 21.....

Wilt didn't play his senior year at Kansas, he was a globtrotter. He filled out too!

Young Dirk.....

Yes, our young KP is skinny....

Whats that in his hand?
Wait, a 7'3 dude won the skills contest? Whaaaat???

I don't know the future of knicks or this kid, but he is doing things nobody has done before regarding three point shots and block statistics at his stage of career. This speaks to shooting ability and defense as rim protector. Skills contest speaks to athletic and fundamental ability. Good work ethic and so far no major injuries and has played heavy minutes. Yes, he needs to fill out and he will likely end up a 5.
I think he can learn better defense given his athletic and skill level.

He is no Shawn Bradley is he?

What I can see is he is far more fundmentally skilled than any player over 7 feet at age 21 than I have ever seen. He does things walton, kareem, wilt etc etc could never do, or certainly at his age. That does not say he is HOF mount rushmore bound. Just saying we have never seen a kid at 7'3 do things like he does. Thus, the hype and expectations.

Why not just enjoy the process of watching a young kid with a big ceiling.

Nalod wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Nalod wrote:

holfresh wrote:

fishmike wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Nalod wrote:

holfresh wrote:KP and Willy just got mauled last night..Not just by Gobert but by his back up too...Not a good time for this thread because no one will hold them accountable...

After seeing KP and Gobert hug after the game, Breen said there goes two of the "best young bigs" in the league..It's like he didn't see the game..JVG probably gagged on that one..He was telling it like it is all game about how bad our bigs can't defend..Gobert outplayed KP but he isn't consider one of the best young bigs...He is a really good interior defender...But let's continue to deflect and say it's Melo, Rose and the triangle...

We can't defend for the nth time and won't next year either with our heads in the sand...

Any thought that the kids can improve their defense?

Sure..I think Willy can really improve because he has the frame to bulk up...KP will struggle, he just doesn't have the frame for strength needed to fight off bigs for 82 game and draw the best defenders(team post Melo)..So can they really play together??..It's a long shot to me...But the current narrative is trying to re-frame the debate by suggesting the issue is Melo and Rose..The debate is whether or not we can rebuild around these two players playing the same position...

Well KP and Willy give you hope and have upside. They are 21/22 respectively. However we know that Melo no longer has a position in the NBA. He cant defend 3s or 4 and holds the ball. Rose cant defend 1s or 2s and over dribbles.

Rose has not been a good player for a few years. Neither has Melo. Its time to move on from vets who think they are better than the are and dont play team ball. Tough to understand for you but many understand this.

The Melo comments are stupid because he is the best 4 defender on the roster and still the best scorer on the team by far...So it should be an indicative measure of exactly where we re with the guys you want to build around...Rose in a PnR situation next year will be a borderline all star..

But you are all missing Rose's talent...Rose is still trying to figure out his new role post knee surgery..He is trying to play slower and more methodical..He needs a good coach..Some one must have told him about the fouls can can draw and he made the adjustment the last few weeks and getting to the line..A better coach will work with his passing for next year...Dumb organization we support...We will lose rose for nothing and he will star next year elsewhere, but that's par for the course isn't it...

I think you are looking at things in the near moment. Yes, melo is our best player but he is unable to play and defend the 4 for a full game and a season. Maybe unwilling, but I don't know.
He is an elite shooter and can pass, but that is inconsistent for what ever reason. At 33 he is likely to not improve in areas he is deficient.

What you say about KP is "does not have the frame" suggests he won't fill out. This has been addressed where Knicks said they think he is wide in the hips, and a strong core that he will get stronger.
What I can't say is "for sure". What I can't say is when.

SO perhaps you see things in the current context where team construction is about the next day, next game, next week, next month and even next season, and the seasons after that.

I never heard that but I certainly hope that's the case...My concern with him from day one when I saw videos of him, was that his knees buckled when ever he jumped..His knees still buckle but not as pronounced...His frame looked weak and would struggle with added weight...Much like Camby..Gaining the strength necessary to hold his own against players who don't have to overcome such physical weaknesses will be a tall order...But I hope your and the team's assessment about his strength is correct...Seems like our future will ride on it...I won't believe it until I see it..

Ironically, he looks to have the Phil Jackson frame...

Regarding Melo at the 4, who defends it better on this roster??

Its about Melo defending the 4 next two years. He is our best defender at the 4. You want him there? Does he want to be there?
I like him at the 4. I don't like KP at the 5. Im not benching KP. Its not like we contending.

Phil broke scoring records in NCAA II divsion and twice went to championship games. He was a second round draft pick. NCAA II was more substantial back in the day. Before you slam it, Southern Illinois was Div. II. Clydes school. He did pretty well?

Not here to sell you on phil the player. I never saw him play before his back surgery which in 1970 was primative stuff and the fact he had a nice long NBA career speaks to character and perseverance of the man to return from what many stopped their career.

This guy was pretty skinny at age 21.....

Young Dirk.....

Yes, our young KP is skinny....

Whats that in his hand?
Wait, a 7'3 dude won the skills contest? Whaaaat???

I don't know the future of knicks or this kid, but he is doing things nobody has done before regarding three point shots and block statistics at his stage of career. This speaks to shooting ability and defense as rim protector. Skills contest speaks to athletic and fundamental ability. Good work ethic and so far no major injuries and has played heavy minutes. Yes, he needs to fill out and he will likely end up a 5.
I think he can learn better defense given his athletic and skill level.

He is no Shawn Bradley is he?

What I can see is he is far more fundmentally skilled than any player over 7 feet at age 21 than I have ever seen. He does things walton, kareem, wilt etc etc could never do, or certainly at his age. That does not say he is HOF mount rushmore bound. Just saying we have never seen a kid at 7'3 do things like he does. Thus, the hype and expectations.

Why not just enjoy the process of watching a young kid with a big ceiling.

Ha...Good stuff..Nice post!!!

holfresh wrote:

fishmike wrote:

holfresh wrote:

fishmike wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Nalod wrote:

holfresh wrote:KP and Willy just got mauled last night..Not just by Gobert but by his back up too...Not a good time for this thread because no one will hold them accountable...

After seeing KP and Gobert hug after the game, Breen said there goes two of the "best young bigs" in the league..It's like he didn't see the game..JVG probably gagged on that one..He was telling it like it is all game about how bad our bigs can't defend..Gobert outplayed KP but he isn't consider one of the best young bigs...He is a really good interior defender...But let's continue to deflect and say it's Melo, Rose and the triangle...

We can't defend for the nth time and won't next year either with our heads in the sand...

Any thought that the kids can improve their defense?

Sure..I think Willy can really improve because he has the frame to bulk up...KP will struggle, he just doesn't have the frame for strength needed to fight off bigs for 82 game and draw the best defenders(team post Melo)..So can they really play together??..It's a long shot to me...But the current narrative is trying to re-frame the debate by suggesting the issue is Melo and Rose..The debate is whether or not we can rebuild around these two players playing the same position...

Well KP and Willy give you hope and have upside. They are 21/22 respectively. However we know that Melo no longer has a position in the NBA. He cant defend 3s or 4 and holds the ball. Rose cant defend 1s or 2s and over dribbles.

Rose has not been a good player for a few years. Neither has Melo. Its time to move on from vets who think they are better than the are and dont play team ball. Tough to understand for you but many understand this.

The Melo comments are stupid because he is the best 4 defender on the roster and still the best scorer on the team by far...So it should be an indicative measure of exactly where we re with the guys you want to build around...Rose in a PnR situation next year will be a borderline all star..

But you are all missing Rose's talent...Rose is still trying to figure out his new role post knee surgery..He is trying to play slower and more methodical..He needs a good coach..Some one must have told him about the fouls can can draw and he made the adjustment the last few weeks and getting to the line..A better coach will work with his passing for next year...Dumb organization we support...We will lose Rose for nothing and he will star next year elsewhere, but that's par for the course isn't it...Triangle rules!!

No. Melo isnt. He is neither the best scorer and he is most certainly NOT the best defender. You are so lost in the past its a joke. Its been a few years since Melo has been good.

But hey... lets talk about YOUR Melo comments and see if stupid is as stupid does.
Melo's TEAM rankings:
True Shooting% 7th
WS/48 6th
EFG% 8th

Want to talk about defense at PF? (neither good, but Melo's worse. Easily)
Opposing PFs vs Melo: .542 EFG%
Opposing PFs vs KP: .520 EFG%

http://www.82games.com/1617/16NYK11.HTM
http://www.82games.com/1617/16NYK12.HTM

Holfresh you are talking out your ass. Melo is not a good player on this team and has not been a good player on his team. Sorry it pains you to see your $25mm man being outperformed by guys on rookie deals but he has been.

You are not being honest..You are an emotional mess...Who defends the 4 better than Melo???

Read the #s again.
Opposing PFs vs Melo: .542 EFG%
Opposing PFs vs KP: .520 EFG%

Since you are clearly too emotional to grasp the logic I will spell it out for you. See how opposing players have a lower FG% vs. KP at powerforward? That means they are LESS effecient vs. KP than Melo. That is just the guy you are guarding. The numbers dont lie. When Melo guards the 4 the scoring is higher. Opposing PER is higher. EFG% is higher. That and Melo doesnt protect the rim and KP does.

Your such an emotional wreck you think others are. Most can see the problem pretty clearly.

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:

fishmike wrote:

holfresh wrote:

fishmike wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Nalod wrote:

holfresh wrote:KP and Willy just got mauled last night..Not just by Gobert but by his back up too...Not a good time for this thread because no one will hold them accountable...

After seeing KP and Gobert hug after the game, Breen said there goes two of the "best young bigs" in the league..It's like he didn't see the game..JVG probably gagged on that one..He was telling it like it is all game about how bad our bigs can't defend..Gobert outplayed KP but he isn't consider one of the best young bigs...He is a really good interior defender...But let's continue to deflect and say it's Melo, Rose and the triangle...

We can't defend for the nth time and won't next year either with our heads in the sand...

Any thought that the kids can improve their defense?

Sure..I think Willy can really improve because he has the frame to bulk up...KP will struggle, he just doesn't have the frame for strength needed to fight off bigs for 82 game and draw the best defenders(team post Melo)..So can they really play together??..It's a long shot to me...But the current narrative is trying to re-frame the debate by suggesting the issue is Melo and Rose..The debate is whether or not we can rebuild around these two players playing the same position...

Well KP and Willy give you hope and have upside. They are 21/22 respectively. However we know that Melo no longer has a position in the NBA. He cant defend 3s or 4 and holds the ball. Rose cant defend 1s or 2s and over dribbles.

Rose has not been a good player for a few years. Neither has Melo. Its time to move on from vets who think they are better than the are and dont play team ball. Tough to understand for you but many understand this.

The Melo comments are stupid because he is the best 4 defender on the roster and still the best scorer on the team by far...So it should be an indicative measure of exactly where we re with the guys you want to build around...Rose in a PnR situation next year will be a borderline all star..

But you are all missing Rose's talent...Rose is still trying to figure out his new role post knee surgery..He is trying to play slower and more methodical..He needs a good coach..Some one must have told him about the fouls can can draw and he made the adjustment the last few weeks and getting to the line..A better coach will work with his passing for next year...Dumb organization we support...We will lose Rose for nothing and he will star next year elsewhere, but that's par for the course isn't it...Triangle rules!!

No. Melo isnt. He is neither the best scorer and he is most certainly NOT the best defender. You are so lost in the past its a joke. Its been a few years since Melo has been good.

But hey... lets talk about YOUR Melo comments and see if stupid is as stupid does.
Melo's TEAM rankings:
True Shooting% 7th
WS/48 6th
EFG% 8th

Want to talk about defense at PF? (neither good, but Melo's worse. Easily)
Opposing PFs vs Melo: .542 EFG%
Opposing PFs vs KP: .520 EFG%

http://www.82games.com/1617/16NYK11.HTM
http://www.82games.com/1617/16NYK12.HTM

Holfresh you are talking out your ass. Melo is not a good player on this team and has not been a good player on his team. Sorry it pains you to see your $25mm man being outperformed by guys on rookie deals but he has been.

You are not being honest..You are an emotional mess...Who defends the 4 better than Melo???

Why are you even arguing about this??? You dissed KP and Willy who are both at the start of their Knicks careers but Melo is coming to the end of his. He's only going to continue to decline from here. I think it will be a slow decline but he will get worse nonetheless.

I can't for the life of me understand your focus on Melo rather than the future of the team. He's had a great career but he can't carry a team anymore and he's over 10 years older than our new core will be!!!

You have lost all credibility over the years..My suggestion is that you try honesty based on what you see to get some modicum of respect as a poster...You were a major supporter of MDA who was terribly ineffective here..You railed against Woodson to no end while he was the most successful coach here going on two decades, getting to back to back playoffs, then you tried to credit MDA for his success...Your blind support of Phil who is trying to win but you nonetheless push the idea that he is rebuilding after signing Noah, signing Lee on 4 year deals, and trading for Rose...KP and Willy gets destroyed nightly by below average offensive players and you cry there is nothing to see here...Now you are on this Melo and Rose blame game kick, it just incredible...Come on man..

Man I have seen it all today.

newyorknewyork wrote:

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:

fishmike wrote:

holfresh wrote:

fishmike wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Nalod wrote:

holfresh wrote:KP and Willy just got mauled last night..Not just by Gobert but by his back up too...Not a good time for this thread because no one will hold them accountable...

After seeing KP and Gobert hug after the game, Breen said there goes two of the "best young bigs" in the league..It's like he didn't see the game..JVG probably gagged on that one..He was telling it like it is all game about how bad our bigs can't defend..Gobert outplayed KP but he isn't consider one of the best young bigs...He is a really good interior defender...But let's continue to deflect and say it's Melo, Rose and the triangle...

We can't defend for the nth time and won't next year either with our heads in the sand...

Any thought that the kids can improve their defense?

Sure..I think Willy can really improve because he has the frame to bulk up...KP will struggle, he just doesn't have the frame for strength needed to fight off bigs for 82 game and draw the best defenders(team post Melo)..So can they really play together??..It's a long shot to me...But the current narrative is trying to re-frame the debate by suggesting the issue is Melo and Rose..The debate is whether or not we can rebuild around these two players playing the same position...

Well KP and Willy give you hope and have upside. They are 21/22 respectively. However we know that Melo no longer has a position in the NBA. He cant defend 3s or 4 and holds the ball. Rose cant defend 1s or 2s and over dribbles.

Rose has not been a good player for a few years. Neither has Melo. Its time to move on from vets who think they are better than the are and dont play team ball. Tough to understand for you but many understand this.

The Melo comments are stupid because he is the best 4 defender on the roster and still the best scorer on the team by far...So it should be an indicative measure of exactly where we re with the guys you want to build around...Rose in a PnR situation next year will be a borderline all star..

But you are all missing Rose's talent...Rose is still trying to figure out his new role post knee surgery..He is trying to play slower and more methodical..He needs a good coach..Some one must have told him about the fouls can can draw and he made the adjustment the last few weeks and getting to the line..A better coach will work with his passing for next year...Dumb organization we support...We will lose Rose for nothing and he will star next year elsewhere, but that's par for the course isn't it...Triangle rules!!

No. Melo isnt. He is neither the best scorer and he is most certainly NOT the best defender. You are so lost in the past its a joke. Its been a few years since Melo has been good.

But hey... lets talk about YOUR Melo comments and see if stupid is as stupid does.
Melo's TEAM rankings:
True Shooting% 7th
WS/48 6th
EFG% 8th

Want to talk about defense at PF? (neither good, but Melo's worse. Easily)
Opposing PFs vs Melo: .542 EFG%
Opposing PFs vs KP: .520 EFG%

http://www.82games.com/1617/16NYK11.HTM
http://www.82games.com/1617/16NYK12.HTM

Holfresh you are talking out your ass. Melo is not a good player on this team and has not been a good player on his team. Sorry it pains you to see your $25mm man being outperformed by guys on rookie deals but he has been.

You are not being honest..You are an emotional mess...Who defends the 4 better than Melo???

Why are you even arguing about this??? You dissed KP and Willy who are both at the start of their Knicks careers but Melo is coming to the end of his. He's only going to continue to decline from here. I think it will be a slow decline but he will get worse nonetheless.

I can't for the life of me understand your focus on Melo rather than the future of the team. He's had a great career but he can't carry a team anymore and he's over 10 years older than our new core will be!!!

You have lost all credibility over the years..My suggestion is that you try honesty based on what you see to get some modicum of respect as a poster...You were a major supporter of MDA who was terribly ineffective here..You railed against Woodson to no end while he was the most successful coach in over a decade getting to back to back playoffs, then you tried to credit MDA for his success...Your blind support of Phil who is trying to win but you nonetheless push the idea that he is rebuilding after signing Noah, signing Lee on 4 year deals, and trading for Rose...KP and Willy gets destroyed nightly by average offensive players and you cry there is nothing to see here...Now you are on this Melo and Rose blame game kick, it just incredible...Come on man..

One thing I will say is that you are getting it wrong on the Phil is trying to rebuild aspect. Its not that Phil tried to rebuild. Its that Phil hedged and allowed himself to be in position to rebuild if things didn't work out.

He added Rose for spare parts, signed Lee & Noah to put together with Melo and KP. At the end of the day the players didn't get it done. Rose and Melo have played *their* games all season regardless of system. Rose has put up pretty much the same exact stat line as his last 3 years. Only a little more efficient(Doesn't go with the anti Tri agenda though). They are not capable of imposing their will on games anymore for a full 82 game season and playoffs. If the triangle somehow prevented Rose and Melo from playing their games then you would have more of a case.

We have 2 options. Trade everyone not named Rose and Melo for pure defensive players to make up the for the defensive laps. Though Noah, Lee, Lance, Holiday, KOQ, Baker were supposed to be that already. While KP was pretty solid defensively last yr in terms of rim protection. Then depend on Rose and Melo even more to carry the team offensively by taking even more shots while everyone else just focus on playing defense.

Or we look to transition into the development of KP and Willy and working through their growing pains. While looking to add players that fit their window to make a run.

You are right, he has absolutely hedged every year he has been here...But the hedge is part of the reason for lack of success and bringing lame coaches which he undermine running the triangle...And who are we hedging with, fringe NBA players...Another problem with Phil is that he points fingers when he fails..He was trying to hang it on Melo in the press and Rose to a lesser extent...He has created the toxic environment he told everyone he was here to clean up...

We have no choice but to rebuild at this point...Just don't tell me to build on sub-par defense because it pointless...No team wins playing awful defense with awful defenders run by awful coaches...But Phil has to go too...

Nalod wrote:Underminded the coach?
Awful coaches?
PHil has to go. then what? What is your follow up suggestion?

Phil is the only GM that can average 27 wins a year for three years??

But I'm not the only one saying it...Fisher said it in an interview..Byron Scott said Phil is undermining his coaches...Hornacek wanted to run another system...So you are saying the players didn't buy in, did the coach buy in and sell the system??

The results speaks for themselves...