WaltLongmire wrote:If the guy we pick cannot defend they make the lives of Willy and KP miserable.

If you want those two getting worn out trying to cover for a bad perimeter D, pick someone who can shoot but not play D.

I'll take Fox or the Frenchman at this point- guys who can direct an offense and play D, as well as play some offense.

Just saying...

The more and more I watch this team, the more I think a young guard can help ignite this team. Fox is a top 5 prospect right now as well, so that would be a nice get.

I just think back to Phil's love for Giannis, and I feel this french kid could become a PG version of that. He's got freakish length, good atleticism, good passing instincts. But he will need time. He won't be the same impact player as many other picks. He will need the most time to get the upside. Many Knicks fans won't love him, for the lack of immediate results.

who is that player? I don' know, Maybe Josh Jax. Tatum? Fox?

If Melo is done in NY, do we hand the keys to Rose? Not a true pg, and not a great shooter. Make no bones about it, Phil if he drafts a wing the kid has to have a shot.

Shame of it all Melo has 90% of what knicks need.
Im not thinking Rose takes us to the promised land, but until we can draft or trade for a better solution, Im thinking pragmatically.
If I don't think his body will hold up, I don't resign him. If for him its about money, I don't resign him. If I can't get his head on right (we don't know really whats up there), I don't sign him. If I can't get him to commit to the system, I don't sign him.

And I get a team option on the last year. If he can get a better deal from Milwaukee, or thats where he wants to be, or Bulls trade Butler and bring him back, Im not going to cry.

Basically it appears that "Nalod is crazy to give him another chance after what he did to US"......Its just business and there are caveats that Im not sure can be met.

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meloshouldgo wrote:I think the really interesting question is if we are picking 4th or 5th and both Tatum and fox are available - who do you take?
I think right now Fox is way better than Monk

My preference would be Fox, but Tatum seems promising and I'd be curious.

Fox can't shoot

His form is decent and he's been making them in games. He definitely needs some work. His field goal percentage is higher than John Wall's was at UK

Wall couldn't shoot well when he was drafted. Seems he fixed that.

nyknickzingis wrote:Lets just say I have a bias towards us getting an attacking ballhandling guard or a point guard in this draft. I see positives and negatives in all the scouting reports on Monk, Smith, Frank (international kid from France) and others.

Ball/Fultz are not happening unless we somehow move up and land within the top 2. So now, realistically after them, who is the best guard to pair with KP/Willy over the next 3 years.

No hate in this thread for KP/Willy. We assume KP/Willy are 2 core players and we are fully investing in them (Whether Willy comes off as a 3rd option 6th man off the bench, KP starts at 5 and moves to 4 sometimes, is to be determined).

My question is basically after Ball/Fultz, how do you all rank the guards?

I like Monk's outsude shooting and quick drives. He looks like an easy fit in the Tri and next to KP/Willy. But he's not a creator for teammates. Lots of downers on Monk, so maybe I should change my opinion of him.

The french kid Frank, he has real potential. But he can't shoot from outside which is a must. Mudiay was a player I had similar concern about, If you can't shoot from ourside (see Rose) it's a liability in today's NBA.

What are your rankings for guards after Ball/Fultz?

Didn't we have an attacking ball handler in Rose? Lol. You mean attacking but with a jump shot?

Biggest problem for me is that PG is the hardest position to draft as it is the toughest transition to make from college to pros. (See Mudiay and Russell) With that said, Monk seems like a smaller version of JR Smith. Gets streaky and can get off his shot. But why would Phil want someone like JR? Fox is a clever and crafty player but has no outside game. (Remember Grant). And think he is more of traditional PG. Something that will soon be extinct in the NBA. Most have us picking Smith, who I like, but I don't think he will flourish in the Triangle. He played a lot of PnR in college and was ball dominant. Things we don't do or like here. IMO. Smith then Monk then Fox.

Understand the need to take a chance on getting a PG but scared of the high probability they wont make the transition. Specially when they are only being judged on one year of college. Would rather go with the best athlete left on the board. Regardless of position. Like Jackson, Isaac and Tatum as a better pick. With a PG pick in second round.