BRIGGS wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:I was very upset up until a month ago about all the losses. I hated how Melo and Rose were playing. High usage and low passing percentage, iso heavy ball. I hated how everyone, KP included, played on defense.

Now? It's looking like a blessing in disguise. We may be in position to draft a core player, like we already have in KP and Willy. Knicks may actually finally rebuild and within a few months time, may have 3 or 4 really good young players 23 and younger. Which would be the first time in forever that happened.

I tend to have bias to go for a 2 guard or point, more than any other talent in the draft. We need a ballhandling guard who can complement KP and Willy over the next few years. I don't know how good that kid from France will be, or Dennis Smith, or how good Monk is, or others. I'm not that kind of scout. I just hope that we land one of those guards, those ballhandling guards. Phil had it right with getting Jerian, KP and Willy all in one draft. We gotta get a much much better ballhandling guard than Jerian to get this longterm rebuild headed in the right direction. With Lee, Thomas, O'Quinn, Holiday, Baker. We have enough role players that can complement a big 3 of an attacking guard, KP and Willy, I can live with that for next season even if that team is in the lottery again - guess what we have the pick again.

KP and Willy cant be the 4-5 starters--wont work. They are simply not fast enough--you need to improve speed and athleti8c ability from that 4 slot so they guy can get out on shooters. We need a LOT of players. We did have a vet team here--so maybe the W=L are masked even worse than we think. You want to say Willy G can be used as the 4-5 back up--we can work with that. They(Knicks management) are still going to be gung ho on Noah) we have a LOT of trouble--we need pick #1 so the thought process is lessened.

TripleThreat wrote:

mattydiesel15 wrote:I have been frustrated with their terrible play and shared my frustration in my latest article and video that was done for Elite Sports NY. You can find the video and story below, but I am interested in hearing your guys take on the Knicks do you guys agree with me?

I am not frustrated. I realized when Jeremy Lin was here and D'Antoni was here, that was the last time this team played legit team basketball. And losing Lin was a move that backfired horribly, over and over again ( Rose, Calderon, "Fat Guy With A Gun Problem", etc, etc)

I said this years ago, and of course nixluva said I was wrong, that once the Knicks embrace a true full on committed rebuild, then the clock starts ticking. That with hard work, luck and patience, the Knicks could be a consistent playoff threat in five years time. They could be a consistent playoff team now, just would have needed to trade Melo right after Linsanity. Tank and rebuild the roster around Lin until more blue chip talent could come in through the draft process.

To me, this timetable doesn't change until Melo is off the roster. So if Melo just wants to rot here for two years, then after those two years, it would take another 5, IF and it's a huge IF, the Knicks simply committed to a true rebuild done the right way.

You don't fix all your problems overnight. It takes time. If you don't expect anything, you never get disappointed. For guys who see the Knicks in an unrealistic tone, outside the bounds of how the NBA marketplace actually operates, how team building is limited in the new CBA and given the actual scarcity of talent in this format, I think they will be upset at how things turn out. I think once you come to terms how the marketplace actually operates, then it's not frustrating. It's simply making an assessment of what works and what does not.

This could be a long 7 year wait. People can tell me I'm wrong, but people have told me I'm wrong here before and look how that all panned out.

Knicks will move Melo this offseason. Its a given. Phil is down on him. Coach is down on him and Doc Rivers just said "any of those deals reported in the papers.. we would have made those deals."

So expect Austin Rivers here next year and Melo to be a Clipper.

TripleThreat wrote:

mattydiesel15 wrote:I have been frustrated with their terrible play and shared my frustration in my latest article and video that was done for Elite Sports NY. You can find the video and story below, but I am interested in hearing your guys take on the Knicks do you guys agree with me?

I am not frustrated. I realized when Jeremy Lin was here and D'Antoni was here, that was the last time this team played legit team basketball. And losing Lin was a move that backfired horribly, over and over again ( Rose, Calderon, "Fat Guy With A Gun Problem", etc, etc)

I said this years ago, and of course nixluva said I was wrong, that once the Knicks embrace a true full on committed rebuild, then the clock starts ticking. That with hard work, luck and patience, the Knicks could be a consistent playoff threat in five years time. They could be a consistent playoff team now, just would have needed to trade Melo right after Linsanity. Tank and rebuild the roster around Lin until more blue chip talent could come in through the draft process.

To me, this timetable doesn't change until Melo is off the roster. So if Melo just wants to rot here for two years, then after those two years, it would take another 5, IF and it's a huge IF, the Knicks simply committed to a true rebuild done the right way.

You don't fix all your problems overnight. It takes time. If you don't expect anything, you never get disappointed. For guys who see the Knicks in an unrealistic tone, outside the bounds of how the NBA marketplace actually operates, how team building is limited in the new CBA and given the actual scarcity of talent in this format, I think they will be upset at how things turn out. I think once you come to terms how the marketplace actually operates, then it's not frustrating. It's simply making an assessment of what works and what does not.

This could be a long 7 year wait. People can tell me I'm wrong, but people have told me I'm wrong here before and look how that all panned out.

Theorically that is truely right but after we see what Philly has been doing I am not optimistic towards a true rebuild.

this summer is key. (that sounds familiar!)

But it isn't nearly as bad as reading and listening to the self-entitled beeyatch endlessly about tanking day after day.

Funny, a few months ago, before everything went south so fast, tanking was akin to cutting your meat off because you're not effing a supermodel.
Now, of course, tanking is exactly like effing a supermodel, it's just you're only doing it in your mind for the next 5 or 7 years... which is actually the same as... still thinking about Linsanity... which, by the way, doesn't include any thoughts of being in the playoffs... but why bring that up? AGAIN...

Oh to be a Sixers fan! June is always sooooo exciting! Every single summer! We need to seriously suck for 5-7 years so that we can become seriously mediocre! And all our fabulously exciting first rounders are playing somewhere else, or sitting the bench, or waiting to be traded! That's the real NBA!

jrodmc wrote:Losing games really sucks. Alot.
Frustrating? Sure is.

But it isn't nearly as bad as reading and listening to the self-entitled beeyatch endlessly about tanking day after day.

Funny, a few months ago, before everything went south so fast, tanking was akin to cutting your meat off because you're not effing a supermodel.
Now, of course, tanking is exactly like effing a supermodel, it's just you're only doing it in your mind for the next 5 or 7 years... which is actually the same as... still thinking about Linsanity... which, by the way, doesn't include any thoughts of being in the playoffs... but why bring that up? AGAIN...

Oh to be a Sixers fan! June is always sooooo exciting! Every single summer! We need to seriously suck for 5-7 years so that we can become seriously mediocre! And all our fabulously exciting first rounders are playing somewhere else, or sitting the bench, or waiting to be traded! That's the real NBA!

Dude we tried it the other way and now all we have are aging former Stars and some promising kids!!! Circumstances have changed since the start of the season and thank God we have picks in this draft!!!
I don't know what you propose this franchise should do but it seems logical to see what we can get out of the draft. Maybe we get lucky and draft a true STUD that can move the needle in the right direction. What's the problem with that?