nixluva wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

nixluva wrote:

crzymdups wrote:http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/18941092/nba-unhappy-anniversary-tidings-phil-jackson-three-years-new-york

I know people get prickly about the Triangle, but this is incredibly damning.

Knicks players also saying to Begley that they think it produces too tight spacing and too many contested shots.

We've been told Phil would bring in veterans who would be suited to the Triangle. In three off seasons so far all the players he's brought in have not done well in the triangle, outside of maybe Rolo, who plays the same position as KP and Willy anyway.

I'm not looking to take down Phil or have that conversation again. But I think it certainly is worth asking why are we still committed to the Triangle? Even Hornacek didn't want to run it full time. At a certain point doesn't Phil need to agree to update or scrap the triangle? I thought we were told Hornacek would be allowed to update the Triangle, but that's been overruled.

I just question why at this point.

In this draft alone there are several players who FIT the Triangle. Josh Jackson is a perfect SF for the Triangle. He passes the ball well. Jason Tatum is a more Team Oriented version of Melo IMO. He would be effective in the Pinch Post. Lonzo Ball is also a Triangle Fit. Malik Monk and Frank Ntilikina are also Triangle Fits. I would say that even De'Aaron Fox would fit. So really there's no reason to fear the notion of looking for players that would do well in the Triangle. All that really means is that they can function well without depending on heavy PnR. They have a high BBIQ, pass the ball and defend. Those are all winning traits.

This still does not make any sense? Draft guys for Truangke. Ot wont be here un 2 years?? Let's bring in Pete Carril for one year then Paul Westphal then Paul Westhead for a year. Draft guys foe those systems. That will be great for development.

Lonzo Ball or Josh Jackson don't make sense??? All we're talking about are 2 Way Multi-skilled players that can think the game too. Those players are going to be good in any system!

Man, once again and again we hear how the triangle is not liked by players how it's easy to defend, how it is outdated. I am seriously tired of this, and this is why: when you have a complete system that incorporates such fundamentals as passing, cuts off of picks, moving without the ball, assisted 3-bombs and then you look at modern NBA players that lack those fundamentals you can pretty much put 2 and 2 together. When you have a player whose game is not complete and he is asked to do things that he is not comfortable with , you will have disgruntled players. Rose does not like the triangle: how about he learns to move without the ball, pass and shoot the 3 ball? Melo don't want to move without the ball or pass or spot up. Well too bad. Maybe work on the weak parts of your game? Nah, it's the triangle's fault. Of course brah. Jordan and Kobe excelled in it ? Why is that? Cause they complete players that's why. Do you think Reggie Miller would like the triangle? I think so , I remember us playing against him and I remember him running off of multiple screens every half court possession. Yeah he would be pretty freaking good in the triangle. Oh how about a more recent example ohh I dunno how about Ray Allen? Yep, he'd be pretty good in it as well. Draft complete players and voila they will be good in the triangle. Gee, what a concept. I rest my case.

nixluva wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

nixluva wrote:

crzymdups wrote:http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/18941092/nba-unhappy-anniversary-tidings-phil-jackson-three-years-new-york

I know people get prickly about the Triangle, but this is incredibly damning.

Knicks players also saying to Begley that they think it produces too tight spacing and too many contested shots.

We've been told Phil would bring in veterans who would be suited to the Triangle. In three off seasons so far all the players he's brought in have not done well in the triangle, outside of maybe Rolo, who plays the same position as KP and Willy anyway.

I'm not looking to take down Phil or have that conversation again. But I think it certainly is worth asking why are we still committed to the Triangle? Even Hornacek didn't want to run it full time. At a certain point doesn't Phil need to agree to update or scrap the triangle? I thought we were told Hornacek would be allowed to update the Triangle, but that's been overruled.

I just question why at this point.

In this draft alone there are several players who FIT the Triangle. Josh Jackson is a perfect SF for the Triangle. He passes the ball well. Jason Tatum is a more Team Oriented version of Melo IMO. He would be effective in the Pinch Post. Lonzo Ball is also a Triangle Fit. Malik Monk and Frank Ntilikina are also Triangle Fits. I would say that even De'Aaron Fox would fit. So really there's no reason to fear the notion of looking for players that would do well in the Triangle. All that really means is that they can function well without depending on heavy PnR. They have a high BBIQ, pass the ball and defend. Those are all winning traits.

This still does not make any sense? Draft guys for Truangke. Ot wont be here un 2 years?? Let's bring in Pete Carril for one year then Paul Westphal then Paul Westhead for a year. Draft guys foe those systems. That will be great for development.

Lonzo Ball or Josh Jackson don't make sense??? All we're talking about are 2 Way Multi-skilled players that can think the game too. Those players are going to be good in any system!

My point exactly. If they're going to be good in any system - why the Triangle? Why not design a system for whoever we get and KP and Willy?

Also the chances we get Ball or Jackson are about 10%. Realistically we would be lucky to get Fox or Monk or Ntilikina

ramtour420 wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

nixluva wrote:

crzymdups wrote:http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/18941092/nba-unhappy-anniversary-tidings-phil-jackson-three-years-new-york

I know people get prickly about the Triangle, but this is incredibly damning.

Knicks players also saying to Begley that they think it produces too tight spacing and too many contested shots.

We've been told Phil would bring in veterans who would be suited to the Triangle. In three off seasons so far all the players he's brought in have not done well in the triangle, outside of maybe Rolo, who plays the same position as KP and Willy anyway.

I'm not looking to take down Phil or have that conversation again. But I think it certainly is worth asking why are we still committed to the Triangle? Even Hornacek didn't want to run it full time. At a certain point doesn't Phil need to agree to update or scrap the triangle? I thought we were told Hornacek would be allowed to update the Triangle, but that's been overruled.

I just question why at this point.

In this draft alone there are several players who FIT the Triangle. Josh Jackson is a perfect SF for the Triangle. He passes the ball well. Jason Tatum is a more Team Oriented version of Melo IMO. He would be effective in the Pinch Post. Lonzo Ball is also a Triangle Fit. Malik Monk and Frank Ntilikina are also Triangle Fits. I would say that even De'Aaron Fox would fit. So really there's no reason to fear the notion of looking for players that would do well in the Triangle. All that really means is that they can function well without depending on heavy PnR. They have a high BBIQ, pass the ball and defend. Those are all winning traits.

This still does not make any sense? Draft guys for Truangke. Ot wont be here un 2 years?? Let's bring in Pete Carril for one year then Paul Westphal then Paul Westhead for a year. Draft guys foe those systems. That will be great for development.

Lonzo Ball or Josh Jackson don't make sense??? All we're talking about are 2 Way Multi-skilled players that can think the game too. Those players are going to be good in any system!

Man, once again and again we hear how the triangle is not liked by players how it's easy to defend, how it is outdated. I am seriously tired of this, and this is why: when you have a complete system that incorporates such fundamentals as passing, cuts off of picks, moving without the ball, assisted 3-bombs and then you look at modern NBA players that lack those fundamentals you can pretty much put 2 and 2 together. When you have a player whose game is not complete and he is asked to do things that he is not comfortable with , you will have disgruntled players. Rose does not like the triangle: how about he learns to move without the ball, pass and shoot the 3 ball? Melo don't want to move without the ball or pass or spot up. Well too bad. Maybe work on the weak parts of your game? Nah, it's the triangle's fault. Of course brah. Jordan and Kobe excelled in it ? Why is that? Cause they complete players that's why. Do you think Reggie Miller would like the triangle? I think so , I remember us playing against him and I remember him running off of multiple screens every half court possession. Yeah he would be pretty freaking good in the triangle. Oh how about a more recent example ohh I dunno how about Ray Allen? Yep, he'd be pretty good in it as well. Draft complete players and voila they will be good in the triangle. Gee, what a concept. I rest my case.

Man if only Phil had had some way to figure out how Rose plays. The guy is a nine year NBA veteran. If Rose's game was going to be such a poor fit for the Triangle, maybe Phil shouldn't have traded for him. It's not like he was saddled with Rose by some previous gm. And he re-signed Melo as well. And gave him a no trade clause. You can't blame the players for doing what they've always done repeatedly. At some point you have to look at the guy who not only assemble the group but also the coach and told them which system they had to use. He's literally responsible for every single piece of this equation. You can cut Phil slack by saying there were not a lot of draft picks here or a lot of young pieces when he got here. But everything else has been choices he's made.

And I can understand some of them. But I don't understand the constant insistence on the triangle. Did Kobe and MJ succeed in it? Yes. They were two of the greatest, most cerebral players of all time and once in a generation athletes. Rose and Melo are not Jordan and Kobe. And guess what? Those Bulls and Lakers team went iso a lot late in games to get MJ and Kobe the damn ball and let them go to work. When Melo goes Iso here people gripe and moan. Kobe and MJ would go iso all the time. Particularly at the end of games.

Valid point. But look at it this way, Jordan and Kobe evolved as players and pushed themselves to become who they were. That's what made them great. We got Melo and Rose. Did anyone stop them from fixing holes in their game? Did we not put them in one of the best situations in their careers to do so? We took a chance with them, one former MVP and another former scoring champion. It's was up to them and they both disappointed. They could have become much better ball players but oh well. Yes those were big gambles on star players that CHOSE not to become elite. Unlike MJ and KB. The rest of the players Phil brought in were much more complete( or ready for triangle, however you want to look at it) And no one said that ISO should never ever been used, but don't forget about those key game winning shots that the role playes on those teams made because of the system.

That's fair. Though Rose and Melo are not really in their primes anymore. They may have hit their ceilings earlier in their career. I think maybe scoring champion is Melo's ceiling as a player. And Rose's 25ppg MVP season might've been his - and that's when he was way younger and hadn't had a knee injury sap him of his bounce and some confidence to make his reckless crashes to the rim.

Anyway, you can blame the players for not moving the ball more. But it's also a situation where you can't expect a guy like Melo to just change his game overnight and become a playmaker. Playmaking passing and court vision is a skill. It may just be one Melo doesn't have. I'm not sure I believe a guy can choose to become a visionary passer like Lebron is. I think it's a skill set some guys are born with and some guys are not. Melo has tried to move the ball at points here. He definitely did under fisher (which is why I'm still upset Phil fired fisher so early on when the team was playing great ball until Melo, Lance, and Calderon all got injured at the same time.) I get the Barnes thing was a problem. But it's not like situations like that haven't happened before. Didn't Tony Parker seduce Brent Barry's wife or something? It's not like the Spurs traded Parker.

Anyway, it is what it is. But I just don't know if the continued insistence on the triangle will get us anywhere. We're in year three of Phil. Do we really think we can install it and get it humming by year five? Will Phil be re-signed at age 73? Or will he want to just retire? I just question the commitment we should have to this thing at this stage. If Phil retires is there anyone on the staff we'd trust to keep the triangle going? I hope the answer is not Rambis.

Vmart wrote:If it is so predictable why aren't the Knicks having problems scoring. They seem to be doing that well. If anything is predictable about the Knicks it is that they will give less than max effort on the defensive side.

If the offense isn't the problem, why did Phil go back to the triangle in the first place? They were scoring more ppg before going back to the triangle.

Before the allstar break they were scoring 105ppg

Since the allstar break they're scoring 100.6ppg

So... Why'd they go back to the triangle if defense was the problem?

nixluva wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

nixluva wrote:

crzymdups wrote:http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/18941092/nba-unhappy-anniversary-tidings-phil-jackson-three-years-new-york

I know people get prickly about the Triangle, but this is incredibly damning.

Knicks players also saying to Begley that they think it produces too tight spacing and too many contested shots.

We've been told Phil would bring in veterans who would be suited to the Triangle. In three off seasons so far all the players he's brought in have not done well in the triangle, outside of maybe Rolo, who plays the same position as KP and Willy anyway.

I'm not looking to take down Phil or have that conversation again. But I think it certainly is worth asking why are we still committed to the Triangle? Even Hornacek didn't want to run it full time. At a certain point doesn't Phil need to agree to update or scrap the triangle? I thought we were told Hornacek would be allowed to update the Triangle, but that's been overruled.

I just question why at this point.

In this draft alone there are several players who FIT the Triangle. Josh Jackson is a perfect SF for the Triangle. He passes the ball well. Jason Tatum is a more Team Oriented version of Melo IMO. He would be effective in the Pinch Post. Lonzo Ball is also a Triangle Fit. Malik Monk and Frank Ntilikina are also Triangle Fits. I would say that even De'Aaron Fox would fit. So really there's no reason to fear the notion of looking for players that would do well in the Triangle. All that really means is that they can function well without depending on heavy PnR. They have a high BBIQ, pass the ball and defend. Those are all winning traits.

This still does not make any sense? Draft guys for Truangke. Ot wont be here un 2 years?? Let's bring in Pete Carril for one year then Paul Westphal then Paul Westhead for a year. Draft guys foe those systems. That will be great for development.

Lonzo Ball or Josh Jackson don't make sense??? All we're talking about are 2 Way Multi-skilled players that can think the game too. Those players are going to be good in any system!

Now your mixing words. Yes, it makes no sense to draft guys to fit Triangle! And ofcourse those two are good picks, but niw because they fit the F..in Triangle? For your information, Kansas runs a spread. UCLA runs a speed ball offense. Nothing close to the slow ass Triangle. But you think they fit the Triangle??

HofstraBBall wrote:

nixluva wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

nixluva wrote:

crzymdups wrote:http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/18941092/nba-unhappy-anniversary-tidings-phil-jackson-three-years-new-york

I know people get prickly about the Triangle, but this is incredibly damning.

Knicks players also saying to Begley that they think it produces too tight spacing and too many contested shots.

We've been told Phil would bring in veterans who would be suited to the Triangle. In three off seasons so far all the players he's brought in have not done well in the triangle, outside of maybe Rolo, who plays the same position as KP and Willy anyway.

I'm not looking to take down Phil or have that conversation again. But I think it certainly is worth asking why are we still committed to the Triangle? Even Hornacek didn't want to run it full time. At a certain point doesn't Phil need to agree to update or scrap the triangle? I thought we were told Hornacek would be allowed to update the Triangle, but that's been overruled.

I just question why at this point.

In this draft alone there are several players who FIT the Triangle. Josh Jackson is a perfect SF for the Triangle. He passes the ball well. Jason Tatum is a more Team Oriented version of Melo IMO. He would be effective in the Pinch Post. Lonzo Ball is also a Triangle Fit. Malik Monk and Frank Ntilikina are also Triangle Fits. I would say that even De'Aaron Fox would fit. So really there's no reason to fear the notion of looking for players that would do well in the Triangle. All that really means is that they can function well without depending on heavy PnR. They have a high BBIQ, pass the ball and defend. Those are all winning traits.

This still does not make any sense? Draft guys for Truangke. Ot wont be here un 2 years?? Let's bring in Pete Carril for one year then Paul Westphal then Paul Westhead for a year. Draft guys foe those systems. That will be great for development.

Lonzo Ball or Josh Jackson don't make sense??? All we're talking about are 2 Way Multi-skilled players that can think the game too. Those players are going to be good in any system!

Now your mixing words. Yes, it makes no sense to draft guys to fit Triangle! And ofcourse those two are good picks, but niw because they fit the F..in Triangle? For your information, Kansas runs a spread. UCLA runs a speed ball offense. Nothing close to the slow ass Triangle. But you think they fit the Triangle??

Just so we're clear here, the Triangle is an entire system and within that system you can play fast or slow. Full or Half court. It's not just one thing. I really wish people knew WTF they were talking about when discussing this but so many people think they know the offense when they don't know a damn thing about it. The Triangle is not the problem when it comes to finding quality basketball players. The Triangle never stopped good players from being good or great players from being GREAT!!!

nykshaknbake wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

nixluva wrote:

crzymdups wrote:http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/18941092/nba-unhappy-anniversary-tidings-phil-jackson-three-years-new-york

I know people get prickly about the Triangle, but this is incredibly damning.

Knicks players also saying to Begley that they think it produces too tight spacing and too many contested shots.

We've been told Phil would bring in veterans who would be suited to the Triangle. In three off seasons so far all the players he's brought in have not done well in the triangle, outside of maybe Rolo, who plays the same position as KP and Willy anyway.

I'm not looking to take down Phil or have that conversation again. But I think it certainly is worth asking why are we still committed to the Triangle? Even Hornacek didn't want to run it full time. At a certain point doesn't Phil need to agree to update or scrap the triangle? I thought we were told Hornacek would be allowed to update the Triangle, but that's been overruled.

I just question why at this point.

In this draft alone there are several players who FIT the Triangle. Josh Jackson is a perfect SF for the Triangle. He passes the ball well. Jason Tatum is a more Team Oriented version of Melo IMO. He would be effective in the Pinch Post. Lonzo Ball is also a Triangle Fit. Malik Monk and Frank Ntilikina are also Triangle Fits. I would say that even De'Aaron Fox would fit. So really there's no reason to fear the notion of looking for players that would do well in the Triangle. All that really means is that they can function well without depending on heavy PnR. They have a high BBIQ, pass the ball and defend. Those are all winning traits.

This still does not make any sense? Draft guys for Truangke. Ot wont be here un 2 years?? Let's bring in Pete Carril for one year then Paul Westphal then Paul Westhead for a year. Draft guys foe those systems. That will be great for development.

Lonzo Ball or Josh Jackson don't make sense??? All we're talking about are 2 Way Multi-skilled players that can think the game too. Those players are going to be good in any system!

Man, once again and again we hear how the triangle is not liked by players how it's easy to defend, how it is outdated. I am seriously tired of this, and this is why: when you have a complete system that incorporates such fundamentals as passing, cuts off of picks, moving without the ball, assisted 3-bombs and then you look at modern NBA players that lack those fundamentals you can pretty much put 2 and 2 together. When you have a player whose game is not complete and he is asked to do things that he is not comfortable with , you will have disgruntled players. Rose does not like the triangle: how about he learns to move without the ball, pass and shoot the 3 ball? Melo don't want to move without the ball or pass or spot up. Well too bad. Maybe work on the weak parts of your game? Nah, it's the triangle's fault. Of course brah. Jordan and Kobe excelled in it ? Why is that? Cause they complete players that's why. Do you think Reggie Miller would like the triangle? I think so , I remember us playing against him and I remember him running off of multiple screens every half court possession. Yeah he would be pretty freaking good in the triangle. Oh how about a more recent example ohh I dunno how about Ray Allen? Yep, he'd be pretty good in it as well. Draft complete players and voila they will be good in the triangle. Gee, what a concept. I rest my case.

We've been through dozens of players and we can't find our Kobe, Jordan or whoever else excelled at the triangle. Maybe it's a great system that is so awesome only a few players a generation can lead it well. Complete 2 way players are a rarity these days and at a premium, so if we need that to even begin to run it competently it's going to continue to be a tough go. We don't even know if we have a coach that can run it well or if one will be available later. Bottom line is I don't think we have a fair shot at implementing it.

You really feel this way? 1 first round pick in 3 years? You think Larkin, Shved, Gallo, Shump, JRSmith and a whole ton of crap that you would like to keep and play something else? The players the Knicks have had over the past 2-3 season have not been good, and that's why you need to turn them over and get better talent. Still not there. Organization needs to keep working.

nixluva wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

nixluva wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

nixluva wrote:

crzymdups wrote:http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/18941092/nba-unhappy-anniversary-tidings-phil-jackson-three-years-new-york

I know people get prickly about the Triangle, but this is incredibly damning.

Knicks players also saying to Begley that they think it produces too tight spacing and too many contested shots.

We've been told Phil would bring in veterans who would be suited to the Triangle. In three off seasons so far all the players he's brought in have not done well in the triangle, outside of maybe Rolo, who plays the same position as KP and Willy anyway.

I'm not looking to take down Phil or have that conversation again. But I think it certainly is worth asking why are we still committed to the Triangle? Even Hornacek didn't want to run it full time. At a certain point doesn't Phil need to agree to update or scrap the triangle? I thought we were told Hornacek would be allowed to update the Triangle, but that's been overruled.

I just question why at this point.

In this draft alone there are several players who FIT the Triangle. Josh Jackson is a perfect SF for the Triangle. He passes the ball well. Jason Tatum is a more Team Oriented version of Melo IMO. He would be effective in the Pinch Post. Lonzo Ball is also a Triangle Fit. Malik Monk and Frank Ntilikina are also Triangle Fits. I would say that even De'Aaron Fox would fit. So really there's no reason to fear the notion of looking for players that would do well in the Triangle. All that really means is that they can function well without depending on heavy PnR. They have a high BBIQ, pass the ball and defend. Those are all winning traits.

This still does not make any sense? Draft guys for Truangke. Ot wont be here un 2 years?? Let's bring in Pete Carril for one year then Paul Westphal then Paul Westhead for a year. Draft guys foe those systems. That will be great for development.

Lonzo Ball or Josh Jackson don't make sense??? All we're talking about are 2 Way Multi-skilled players that can think the game too. Those players are going to be good in any system!

Now your mixing words. Yes, it makes no sense to draft guys to fit Triangle! And ofcourse those two are good picks, but niw because they fit the F..in Triangle? For your information, Kansas runs a spread. UCLA runs a speed ball offense. Nothing close to the slow ass Triangle. But you think they fit the Triangle??

It's about the SKILLS of the player not the system they're playing in on their college team!!! Players that have Low BB IQ, don't pass it well, are Ball Dominant and can't play without the ball effectively don't fit. MANY of the players at the top of this draft are capable of playing a Team Oriented style of play. For the most part the only thing that is sure is that a PG that can't think the game and can only run PnR is going to be the wrong guy for this system.

Just so we're clear here, the Triangle is an entire system and within that system you can play fast or slow. Full or Half court. It's not just one thing. I really wish people knew WTF they were talking about when discussing this but so many people think they know the offense when they don't know a damn thing about it. The Triangle is not the problem when it comes to finding quality basketball players. The Triangle never stopped good players from being good or great players from being GREAT!!!

You were making sense in the first paragraph. As picking good players has nothing to do with the Triangle. Opposite your point and what I was suggesting. It seems more like you don't know WTF you are talking about when it comes to the Triangle. Furthermore, I know you watch the games, but you may have not noticed or just don't get it, NO ONE in the last three years has learned or has come close to the Magical Unicorn version of the Triangle you speak of. For that matter, The one that we run is slow, easy to read and needs many more years of Phil himself teaching it on daily basis. NOT THE ONE YOU THINK IT IS. Amd not the ome some are commenting on in the article this thread is dedicated to! You can say all you want, and change players every year, but it is still the same predictable crap since Phil has been here.

HofstraBBall wrote:

nixluva wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

nixluva wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

nixluva wrote:

crzymdups wrote:http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/18941092/nba-unhappy-anniversary-tidings-phil-jackson-three-years-new-york

I know people get prickly about the Triangle, but this is incredibly damning.

Knicks players also saying to Begley that they think it produces too tight spacing and too many contested shots.

We've been told Phil would bring in veterans who would be suited to the Triangle. In three off seasons so far all the players he's brought in have not done well in the triangle, outside of maybe Rolo, who plays the same position as KP and Willy anyway.

I'm not looking to take down Phil or have that conversation again. But I think it certainly is worth asking why are we still committed to the Triangle? Even Hornacek didn't want to run it full time. At a certain point doesn't Phil need to agree to update or scrap the triangle? I thought we were told Hornacek would be allowed to update the Triangle, but that's been overruled.

I just question why at this point.

In this draft alone there are several players who FIT the Triangle. Josh Jackson is a perfect SF for the Triangle. He passes the ball well. Jason Tatum is a more Team Oriented version of Melo IMO. He would be effective in the Pinch Post. Lonzo Ball is also a Triangle Fit. Malik Monk and Frank Ntilikina are also Triangle Fits. I would say that even De'Aaron Fox would fit. So really there's no reason to fear the notion of looking for players that would do well in the Triangle. All that really means is that they can function well without depending on heavy PnR. They have a high BBIQ, pass the ball and defend. Those are all winning traits.

This still does not make any sense? Draft guys for Truangke. Ot wont be here un 2 years?? Let's bring in Pete Carril for one year then Paul Westphal then Paul Westhead for a year. Draft guys foe those systems. That will be great for development.

Lonzo Ball or Josh Jackson don't make sense??? All we're talking about are 2 Way Multi-skilled players that can think the game too. Those players are going to be good in any system!

Now your mixing words. Yes, it makes no sense to draft guys to fit Triangle! And ofcourse those two are good picks, but niw because they fit the F..in Triangle? For your information, Kansas runs a spread. UCLA runs a speed ball offense. Nothing close to the slow ass Triangle. But you think they fit the Triangle??

It's about the SKILLS of the player not the system they're playing in on their college team!!! Players that have Low BB IQ, don't pass it well, are Ball Dominant and can't play without the ball effectively don't fit. MANY of the players at the top of this draft are capable of playing a Team Oriented style of play. For the most part the only thing that is sure is that a PG that can't think the game and can only run PnR is going to be the wrong guy for this system.

Just so we're clear here, the Triangle is an entire system and within that system you can play fast or slow. Full or Half court. It's not just one thing. I really wish people knew WTF they were talking about when discussing this but so many people think they know the offense when they don't know a damn thing about it. The Triangle is not the problem when it comes to finding quality basketball players. The Triangle never stopped good players from being good or great players from being GREAT!!!

You were making sense in the first paragraph. As picking good players has nothing to do with the Triangle. Opposite your point and what I was suggesting. It seems more like you don't know WTF you are talking about when it comes to the Triangle. Furthermore, I know you watch the games, but you may have not noticed or just don't get it, NO ONE in the last three years has learned or has come close to the Magical Unicorn version of the Triangle you speak of. For that matter, The one that we run is slow, easy to read and needs many more years of Phil himself teaching it on daily basis. NOT THE ONE YOU THINK IT IS. Amd not the ome some are commenting on in the article this thread is dedicated to! You can say all you want, and change players every year, but it is still the same predictable crap since Phil has been here.

I think my understanding of the Triangle is higher than most here because I actually took the time to learn it. A lot of people are just going by what they see and obviously it hasn't been good. That is not the fault of the Triangle Offense. This is a stupid Media driven talking point. The Triangle isn't slow or fast. That's dependent upon the Players running it and what the coach wants to emphasize.

Hornacek has a brilliant mind and I believe he will have no trouble learning and mastering the Triangle as well as being able to tweak the system to fit what he wants his players to do. There isn't just one way to run the system. The Triangle has been adapted by coaches over the years to fit different rosters. What doesn't change is that you need smart and multi skilled players to make it run at its best. That's no different than any offense. There are easier offenses but that doesn't mean your team will win just because they run Spread PnR. We need better TALENT PERIOD. Get that and then we'll see just what the Triangle is about or not.