ESOMKnicks wrote:I am all for trading Fultz for Ball or JJ plus 3 future first round picks
This is how a trade like this would practically work, if ever
Tier 1
Pick 1 - Wiggins/Parker/Embiid
Pick 2 - Wiggins/Parker/Embiid
Pick 3 - Wiggins/Parker/Embiid
Tier 2
Picks 4-9
In the Andrew Wiggins draft, there was a clear top tier. The top team could have taken any of those three guys and it would have been seen as perfectly acceptable from a value standpoint. The 2nd team would pick who they felt the best of the two left would be. The 3rd team would be happy to draft who the other two teams did not take, without any regard to positional value or actual specific team need.
The team picking 4th in that draft could have reasonably picked almost any player from that 4-9 range and it would have been seen as market acceptable/practical and a possible good value.
For the Knicks to make a trade like this, they'd have to get the top pick, have a team picking HIGH in Tier 2 want to deal and have the quantity of assets to deal, and trade a high Tier 2 pick plus a young upside player and likely two future draft assets. Maybe also a short term veteran player as well. You are talking about team who could move 4-5 assets and still be able to have the ammo to keep reloading around said "franchise player" Very few teams hit this mold and criteria.
What you won't get is a team also picking in Tier 1, to trade the third or second pick, to get that first pick. Parker and Embiid were not such a drop off that someone absolutely had to bleed out to get Wiggins.
If it was LBJ or Shaq, sure, but the same reason a team would do that, is the same reason the team holding the top pick would never trade it.
What did the Yankees get back for future MVP and HOFer Rickey Henderson? Luis Polonia, Eric Plunk and Greg Cadaret. A slap hitting speedster who was a defensive liability, a LOOGY and a disposable but hard throwing swingman bullpen arm. That's it. The team giving up the better player/talent for a bunch of smaller pieces, often the loser of the deal is usually the team getting the quantity. Sometimes the team getting the big basket of stuff wins, but most of the time not. Any of you sorry the Yankees gave up Eric Jagielo, Rookie Davis and Tony Renda for Aroldis Chapman?
There is no deal where Fultz and Ball, likely in the same tier, and very likely to form their own Tier 1, move for each other in a trade.
The 1st overall pick in the NBA rarely moves in a trade because there are so few variable circumstances where it would work out practically for every team involved in the process. The differentiation in value is often too extreme.
The NBA, like all sports, like anything really, has a true "marketplace environment" and there are informal standards and push/pull elements to it all. Take every married guy on this forum. You think relationships and sex doesn't have a marketplace environment? If the guy looked like Channing Tatum and was a super famous millionaire here, do you think he'd be with his current wife right now? If his current wife looked like a young Angelina Jolie, do you think she'd be with a regular Joe. I'm using some pretty basic examples here, but there's a reason why people practically operate the way they do, and the NBA trade possibilities are no different.
If it's not market viable, it's not usually possible. Yes if you have an insane owner like Vivek Ranadive and a GM who has no experience and sort of an idiot like Vlade Divac, but these are outlier situations.
You think real NBA GMs don't beat their brains out all day thinking of EVERY possible trade scenario that might help them? And how many trades actually happen in real life compared to all that brainstorming and strategy?
When was the last time you saw a supermodel giving a janitor a blowjob? That right there, is why most NBA trade scenarios just don't work.