Vmart wrote:The way I see it is that Phil already tested the Market for Melo and it's going to be much better once some of the teams come up empty in the playoffs. Rose has very little value and Phil figured it out. He might let him walk which would be the best thing to do. Opens up 25 Mill on the cap.

Yup! Phil did the smart thing which is to do no harm. Rose was worth the risk. If it didn't work out they can let him walk. Phil protected his picks and made the most of what he had in the previous Drafts. Not perfect but it was good.

Melo was given a shot to show if he could evolve into more of a winning team player and he looked like he was making progress but that all stopped this year. Melo can't complain about the team plan or direction when he fully controls whether he stays or goes.

The path forward is pretty clear. Building a team around KP is now the only logical move forward.

CrushAlot wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

Uptown wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:There are more Melo quotes from the article that Bleacher Report links to here.
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/18754646/carmelo-anthony-new-york-knicks-understand-team-direction-inactivity-trade-deadline
I can't find the interview. I am not sure how he is supposed to respond to the questions he was asked. Melo and Jeff are the guys that have to face the media.
In regards to it being KP's team or building around KP, that makes a lot of sense. But keeping Rose certainly wasn't a build around KP move. Neither was bringing in Rose, Jennings, Lee, and Noah. I am not sure what the plan is. It has been 5 months and two days since Phil talked to the media. Melo doesn't know the plan. Jeff either doesn't know it or won't share it. No one else talks to the press.

Bro stop saying you don't know what the plan is. Rose is on a one year deal. That's the only reason why we took the chance. Low risk high reward....he didn't work out and now we have cap space aka he's gone. We are not resigning him. That's the plan. Noah is a guy Phil admires and wanted him in the organization. That's it. Of course he was expecting Noah to contribute more on the court but he's still a guy Phil wants herespect to help Kristaps and the future Knicks. Jennings is a expiring. Lee is a movable piece.... what is so hard to understand. Phil still left him space to build on winning or build around KP.... turns out we're just going to build around KP. Get with the program. Stop feeding into that bull**** espn spits out.

Wanting Melo gone doesn't mean we have to defend phil and his questionable moves. He flucked up by not signing and trading Melo when he had the chance. Then he compounds the problem by adding a NTC in the mix. Asinine!

Signing Melo meant we want to win now! Signing Rose was a swing for the fences trying to win now! So was adding Noah and his albatross contract. Lee was supposed to be the final piece to a team that I'm sure he thought would be top 5 in the east. You dont add Rose, Noah, and Lee and expect to be one of the bottom teams in the east. And thats just this seasons plan....He had a dif plan last yr and the yr before...

Who is defending his questionable moves? He hasn't made a move? You wanna talk about stiff that happens 2 years ago, 400 days ago 200 days ago?

We're talking about eight now!!!! Melo is a loser. Rose is coming off the books. A lotto pick is coming. Yet people want to talk about what Phil did last summer. Right now Melo needs to go. Fuck ask this meticulous miracle work you want Phil to do. Melo is going to be 33. Nothing can be done in an off season that's going to make Melo a winner unless we trade him to a winner.

Then Phil needs to somehow fix the mistakes he made. NTC, trade kicker, huge salary for an older player. It is almost impossible to move Melo because of Phil. So if you talk about moving Melo you have to talk about all of the mistakes Phil made when he negotiated that contract. And to compound things, Phil is criticizing his game publicly making his value lower and his resolve to stay and outlast Phil stronger.

What mistakes? Rose is expiring... Jennings is expiring. We're going to lose with Melo's and Rose stellar play and leadership. So we're probably going to get a top 5-8 pick. We could easily trade Lee... Melo is going to see the light and except a trade. All is ****ing good. We are in cruise control and currently in a true rebuild. What do you want from Phil his Penis in a sheath?

fishmike wrote:

Uptown wrote:

MS wrote:Let's take a quick step back here.

So the GM publically disrespects him. Tweets about him being selfish and devalues his player at every turn. He's lost every trade he's made miserably.

10-11 - 26.3pts 6.7rbs 3.0 ass 46%
11-12 - 22.6pts 6.3rbs 3.6ass 43%
12-13 - 28.7pts 6.9rbs 2.6ass 45%
13-14 - 27.4pts 8.1rbs 3.1ass 45%
14-15 - 24.2pts 6.6pts 3.1ass 44%
15-16 - 21.8pts 7.7rbs 4.2ass 43%
16-17 - 23.3pts 6.0rbs 3.0ass 44%

He's played well here. Has he won. No. But, who has in the last 15 years. Jim Dolan is nightmare and free agents don't want to play here. Too much pressure, to many taxes, to many inept coaches and the worst management in the NBA.

The GM gave the worst contract out of the entire offseason and we lost a max slot because of it. It's ok for him to question the organization after they just dragged him through the mud.

Stop Making Sense!!!

Melo also has the highest usage% in the league for a non guard every year. Go look... he's always in the top 10 in the league and top 2 or 3 for non guards. He literally has held the ball longer than anyone in the NBA over that time. So one can show his pts/rebs/assists and say he's been productive, but he hasnt. We have run the ball through him over and over and the record stinks. Biggest failure was the Bargs deal. Knicks have done a very poor job putting players around Melo. We got the one good year. He quit on MDA. I let it go after watching what he did with Woodson but Im pretty sure he quit on Phil also.

Fair question. Who would not have a high usage rate if playing with the bums he has had on his teams last 3 years? He should pas to LT? Gallo? Grant? Rose? Whats their shooting percentage? But yes, scorers like the ball

Chandler wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Vmart wrote:The way I see it is that Phil already tested the Market for Melo and it's going to be much better once some of the teams come up empty in the playoffs. Rose has very little value and Phil figured it out. He might let him walk which would be the best thing to do. Opens up 25 Mill on the cap.

Yup! Phil did the smart thing which is to do no harm. Rose was worth the risk. If it didn't work out they can let him walk. Phil protected his picks and made the most of what he had in the previous Drafts. Not perfect but it was good.

Melo was given a shot to show if he could evolve into more of a winning team player and he looked like he was making progress but that all stopped this year. Melo can't complain about the team plan or direction when he fully controls whether he stays or goes.

The path forward is pretty clear. Building a team around KP is now the only logical move forward.

this is a very good point. In the investment world they have the notion of a "torpedo stock," which means that a single loser stock can undermine decent decisions for all the other stocks in a portfolio. I realize the issue is different context and based on math, but at the same time we need to appreciate the cost of mistakes.

Yeah pretty much yes to all of this

EnySpree wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

nixluva wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:There are more Melo quotes from the article that Bleacher Report links to here.
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/18754646/carmelo-anthony-new-york-knicks-understand-team-direction-inactivity-trade-deadline
I can't find the interview. I am not sure how he is supposed to respond to the questions he was asked. Melo and Jeff are the guys that have to face the media.
In regards to it being KP's team or building around KP, that makes a lot of sense. But keeping Rose certainly wasn't a build around KP move. Neither was bringing in Rose, Jennings, Lee, and Noah. I am not sure what the plan is. It has been 5 months and two days since Phil talked to the media. Melo doesn't know the plan. Jeff either doesn't know it or won't share it. No one else talks to the press.

Bro stop saying you don't know what the plan is. Rose is on a one year deal. That's the only reason why we took the chance. Low risk high reward....he didn't work out and now we have cap space aka he's gone. We are not resigning him. That's the plan. Noah is a guy Phil admires and wanted him in the organization. That's it. Of course he was expecting Noah to contribute more on the court but he's still a guy Phil wants herespect to help Kristaps and the future Knicks. Jennings is a expiring. Lee is a movable piece.... what is so hard to understand. Phil still left him space to build on winning or build around KP.... turns out we're just going to build around KP. Get with the program. Stop feeding into that bull**** espn spits out.

The article you posted links to espn for the quotes.

I posted the link smart ass. That was for you to lick the screen while you read it.

Espn wants the sound bites and quotes that make everyone go crazy. That bitch from the Daily news too.... even Newsday that's owned by Dolan is getting in on the Drama now.

The reality is that Melo is a loser and needs to go. Read that quote. We are building through the draft. Get the **** off my team

I am going to enjoy Melo on the team for the next couple of years. As it flips the switch on forum roids.

How is he supposed to respond? I'm glad we are staying in the path that's gotten us so few wins? Glad we stayed still and didn't disrupt the great chemistry we have built? Im glad I still have my 17M center on the bench cuz he gives great high fives? Rose is definately starting to see the floor well and Baker to MVP form?

Thisteam is a piece of ****. Its all on the guy that ripped it apart and put it together 3 times in 3 years. Simple as that. My ****ing landscaper would have done a better job if he left everything alone 3 years ago. I know you want to put your panties in a wad and blame one player but it takes a lot of Fuck ups to be this bad. You make it sound like we would be killing it if not for Melo. Fact is the moves made so far all suck. Don't make me list them yet again.

Here is my bet, you name the amount, Willy will be a back up for a few years and return to Spain. KP will always have trouble playing a specific position. Rose will be a back up next year. Jennings will be on a new team every year. Noah is waived within three years(not by us ofcourse) Kuz will be back in some Euro league, Lee will continue to be extremely inconsistent, Holiday will get fewer minutes for no reason, no good young free agent, with any brauns, will come here, every other misfit on this team will ride the bench on some team before leaving the NBA. That's the direction Phil has us in. But your right....it's Melo's fault. This TEAM is a joke. And the old man that put it together with the HUGE ego should get the Fuck off my team!!

And then what build around Melo? That whole rant was for nothing. Phil broke the team down and got us Kristaps... he tried to help Melo by getting legit talent around him. Melo ****ing sucks... but let's blame Phil cuz he put the players here? So Phil is supposed to completely gut and get a top pick one year and then get a championship caliber tan the next....

Get the **** out of my thread!!!!!!

Oh okay, yeah ill get out.. ummmm Fuck NO! Give you a clue. You make a thread and say things I don't agree with then I post a counter argument. Thats what a forum. Umkay? Melo is not innocent. Can play better team ball. Not my lint, if you read it the way it was written. Point is you blame our beat player and not the guy that was brought in to put a TEAM together. Was Melo in charge of trades? Is he getting paid to put team together? And No, Gaines picked KP not Phil. And like I said, KP will always be out of position defensively and will have issues being main target of defenses. FACT! But you can dream. And yes, I expect a guy that broke up a 54 win team to get us more than how many wins in 3 years? Keep throwing your **** fit. It's not going to change the fact the team sucks and is not heading in a good direction. NO ONE wants to come here. Oh yeah but we get a 7 to 15 pick. Big Fucking deal! Go ask Denver how they did with all our must have picks. Would expect more from people that know how well the Knicks have picked in 17 years. GTFOH

So what's the answer? Bring Isiah back and lay him trade every draft pick allowed un till 2030. Bring in all the starphuch Caa Caa poo poos we can so Melo can take 25 shots and not play defense and all lose every year and go to the lottery for another team to pick a winner chicken dinner!!!!

Gtfoh! Get the **** outta my bandwidth!!!!

Yep, that's exactly what I said, bring back IT?? And btw, bringing in an old coach because he won rings with best players of all time but had zero GM experience, is the ULTIMATE Starphuck??? Come on...think brah.

And No once again. If you can't take the banter then feel free to leave your own thread.

Most teams win when they have strength at the top and those top players lead the team to wins. You can't absolve Melo and Rose from their responsibility to lead the way. That's simply how it works. The role players aren't supposed to lead. Melo has been the best player and default leader. Even if only by example. If he gives Max Effort on D and passes the ball others will follow!!!

In any event this team is inevitably headed towards a youth movement and so all the Phil bashing won't matter much in the long term.

Never absolved Melo. Said it several times, he doesn't set up his team mates enough. Takes it upon himself to single handedly score. And can play better defense. As for Rose, don't blame a guy that has a type of game that does not fit a sheme or is in decline, I blame the guy who thought he could change and signed him. Btw, isn't KP our #2 guy? How has he played?

Agree on young movement direction. So will bashing Melo change that?

Will bashing Phil do something? Anyway, who's bashing Melo. It's a fact that he's a loser. It's a fact he doesn't pass. It's a fact he won't play defense.... Phil is wrong for trusting in him. He was right for leaving it open to rebuild with or without Melo.

Bashing Phil won't do anything. It's just more appropriate, intelligent and deserving than blaming ONE player. And when a team sucks every unrealostic fan thinks they can replace ONE player and it all be better. Some fans throw a **** fit because they can't wear their XXXL fake jersey proudly. Your facts are way off. But you already know that. He wins 54 games (Fact)if you give him some type of cast and get out of his way. That means no Fucking triangle. He passes well if you give him guys that don't scatter to 3pt line.(Lead team in areas Istanbul last year..fact). His defense is best at 4 position. (Fact) . You still haven't said anything except child like angry venting. (Fact)

Thing your missing is that we are both in agreement that this team is a pile of ****. Difference we have, is that my list as to the cause of it is much longer than yours. Also that Phil has a special star next to his name and sits in first place.

You are just arguing just to argue. Nobody is blaming one player. And is more intelligent to blame Phil? That sounds idiotic.

You keep talking about pampering Melo. So if Phil pampered the one player then we would be winning 54 games again? Yet just getting rid of that one player us stupid right? Again you are just arguing just to argue.

And why do you care how big my list is? I've never had any complaints about my list.it's not how big the list but how you do the listing. 🐝🐤

Phil has a star next to his name? What are you talking about? This is a Crack house not a methodon lab dude.

Lmao. Proud I didn't go to size jokes. Melo was the best shot we had to not be the parenial lotto ball jesters. And this was ruined by our amazing owner, dysfunctional uncle Phil and the ugly cheerleaders. Well may be not the last part.

We will go back to 2001. Lots of guys that will disappoint unrealistic fans and years of talking about how the next draft pick is MJ. Except now NO ONE wants to come here. As every team can offer bags full of stash. Thats alright, Whats another 17 years. Cubs fans waited long enough.

HofstraBBall wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

nixluva wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:There are more Melo quotes from the article that Bleacher Report links to here.
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/18754646/carmelo-anthony-new-york-knicks-understand-team-direction-inactivity-trade-deadline
I can't find the interview. I am not sure how he is supposed to respond to the questions he was asked. Melo and Jeff are the guys that have to face the media.
In regards to it being KP's team or building around KP, that makes a lot of sense. But keeping Rose certainly wasn't a build around KP move. Neither was bringing in Rose, Jennings, Lee, and Noah. I am not sure what the plan is. It has been 5 months and two days since Phil talked to the media. Melo doesn't know the plan. Jeff either doesn't know it or won't share it. No one else talks to the press.

Bro stop saying you don't know what the plan is. Rose is on a one year deal. That's the only reason why we took the chance. Low risk high reward....he didn't work out and now we have cap space aka he's gone. We are not resigning him. That's the plan. Noah is a guy Phil admires and wanted him in the organization. That's it. Of course he was expecting Noah to contribute more on the court but he's still a guy Phil wants herespect to help Kristaps and the future Knicks. Jennings is a expiring. Lee is a movable piece.... what is so hard to understand. Phil still left him space to build on winning or build around KP.... turns out we're just going to build around KP. Get with the program. Stop feeding into that bull**** espn spits out.

The article you posted links to espn for the quotes.

I posted the link smart ass. That was for you to lick the screen while you read it.

Espn wants the sound bites and quotes that make everyone go crazy. That bitch from the Daily news too.... even Newsday that's owned by Dolan is getting in on the Drama now.

The reality is that Melo is a loser and needs to go. Read that quote. We are building through the draft. Get the **** off my team

I am going to enjoy Melo on the team for the next couple of years. As it flips the switch on forum roids.

How is he supposed to respond? I'm glad we are staying in the path that's gotten us so few wins? Glad we stayed still and didn't disrupt the great chemistry we have built? Im glad I still have my 17M center on the bench cuz he gives great high fives? Rose is definately starting to see the floor well and Baker to MVP form?

Thisteam is a piece of ****. Its all on the guy that ripped it apart and put it together 3 times in 3 years. Simple as that. My ****ing landscaper would have done a better job if he left everything alone 3 years ago. I know you want to put your panties in a wad and blame one player but it takes a lot of Fuck ups to be this bad. You make it sound like we would be killing it if not for Melo. Fact is the moves made so far all suck. Don't make me list them yet again.

Here is my bet, you name the amount, Willy will be a back up for a few years and return to Spain. KP will always have trouble playing a specific position. Rose will be a back up next year. Jennings will be on a new team every year. Noah is waived within three years(not by us ofcourse) Kuz will be back in some Euro league, Lee will continue to be extremely inconsistent, Holiday will get fewer minutes for no reason, no good young free agent, with any brauns, will come here, every other misfit on this team will ride the bench on some team before leaving the NBA. That's the direction Phil has us in. But your right....it's Melo's fault. This TEAM is a joke. And the old man that put it together with the HUGE ego should get the Fuck off my team!!

And then what build around Melo? That whole rant was for nothing. Phil broke the team down and got us Kristaps... he tried to help Melo by getting legit talent around him. Melo ****ing sucks... but let's blame Phil cuz he put the players here? So Phil is supposed to completely gut and get a top pick one year and then get a championship caliber tan the next....

Get the **** out of my thread!!!!!!

Oh okay, yeah ill get out.. ummmm Fuck NO! Give you a clue. You make a thread and say things I don't agree with then I post a counter argument. Thats what a forum. Umkay? Melo is not innocent. Can play better team ball. Not my lint, if you read it the way it was written. Point is you blame our beat player and not the guy that was brought in to put a TEAM together. Was Melo in charge of trades? Is he getting paid to put team together? And No, Gaines picked KP not Phil. And like I said, KP will always be out of position defensively and will have issues being main target of defenses. FACT! But you can dream. And yes, I expect a guy that broke up a 54 win team to get us more than how many wins in 3 years? Keep throwing your **** fit. It's not going to change the fact the team sucks and is not heading in a good direction. NO ONE wants to come here. Oh yeah but we get a 7 to 15 pick. Big Fucking deal! Go ask Denver how they did with all our must have picks. Would expect more from people that know how well the Knicks have picked in 17 years. GTFOH

So what's the answer? Bring Isiah back and lay him trade every draft pick allowed un till 2030. Bring in all the starphuch Caa Caa poo poos we can so Melo can take 25 shots and not play defense and all lose every year and go to the lottery for another team to pick a winner chicken dinner!!!!

Gtfoh! Get the **** outta my bandwidth!!!!

Yep, that's exactly what I said, bring back IT?? And btw, bringing in an old coach because he won rings with best players of all time but had zero GM experience, is the ULTIMATE Starphuck??? Come on...think brah.

And No once again. If you can't take the banter then feel free to leave your own thread.

Most teams win when they have strength at the top and those top players lead the team to wins. You can't absolve Melo and Rose from their responsibility to lead the way. That's simply how it works. The role players aren't supposed to lead. Melo has been the best player and default leader. Even if only by example. If he gives Max Effort on D and passes the ball others will follow!!!

In any event this team is inevitably headed towards a youth movement and so all the Phil bashing won't matter much in the long term.

Never absolved Melo. Said it several times, he doesn't set up his team mates enough. Takes it upon himself to single handedly score. And can play better defense. As for Rose, don't blame a guy that has a type of game that does not fit a sheme or is in decline, I blame the guy who thought he could change and signed him. Btw, isn't KP our #2 guy? How has he played?

Agree on young movement direction. So will bashing Melo change that?

Will bashing Phil do something? Anyway, who's bashing Melo. It's a fact that he's a loser. It's a fact he doesn't pass. It's a fact he won't play defense.... Phil is wrong for trusting in him. He was right for leaving it open to rebuild with or without Melo.

Bashing Phil won't do anything. It's just more appropriate, intelligent and deserving than blaming ONE player. And when a team sucks every unrealostic fan thinks they can replace ONE player and it all be better. Some fans throw a **** fit because they can't wear their XXXL fake jersey proudly. Your facts are way off. But you already know that. He wins 54 games (Fact)if you give him some type of cast and get out of his way. That means no Fucking triangle. He passes well if you give him guys that don't scatter to 3pt line.(Lead team in areas Istanbul last year..fact). His defense is best at 4 position. (Fact) . You still haven't said anything except child like angry venting. (Fact)

Thing your missing is that we are both in agreement that this team is a pile of ****. Difference we have, is that my list as to the cause of it is much longer than yours. Also that Phil has a special star next to his name and sits in first place.

You are just arguing just to argue. Nobody is blaming one player. And is more intelligent to blame Phil? That sounds idiotic.

You keep talking about pampering Melo. So if Phil pampered the one player then we would be winning 54 games again? Yet just getting rid of that one player us stupid right? Again you are just arguing just to argue.

And why do you care how big my list is? I've never had any complaints about my list.it's not how big the list but how you do the listing. 🐝🐤

Phil has a star next to his name? What are you talking about? This is a Crack house not a methodon lab dude.

Lmao. Proud I disn5 go to size jokes. Melo was the best shot we had to not be the parenial lotto ball jesters. And this was ruined by our amazing owner, dysfunctional uncle Phil and the ugly cheerleaders. Well may be not the last part.

We will go back to 2001. Lots of guys that will disappoint unrealistic fans and years of talking about how the next draft pick is MJ. Except now NO ONE wants to come here. As every team can offer bags full of stash. Thats alright, Whats another 17 years. Cubs fans waited long enough.

But that's where we are.... we ate at ground zero again. There are 30 teams. So many different scenarios. We are one team. One team that has a Unicorn and a Spanish guy with a weird last name that wants to be called Billy and spells it Willy. This is us like the NBC show.

My thing is stop talking about that phoney Melo because he made a commercial talking about us taking about him on the Internet. He doesn't get it. He think his legacy is already good. He's been in the league 13 years and he's the same player. Just old now. 33 years old man like wth are we arguing about him for?

We got a center and power fwd for the future. We need to draft a point guard. Hopefully we can trade for more picks or at least some young players.

CrushAlot wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Uptown wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:There are more Melo quotes from the article that Bleacher Report links to here.
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/18754646/carmelo-anthony-new-york-knicks-understand-team-direction-inactivity-trade-deadline
I can't find the interview. I am not sure how he is supposed to respond to the questions he was asked. Melo and Jeff are the guys that have to face the media.
In regards to it being KP's team or building around KP, that makes a lot of sense. But keeping Rose certainly wasn't a build around KP move. Neither was bringing in Rose, Jennings, Lee, and Noah. I am not sure what the plan is. It has been 5 months and two days since Phil talked to the media. Melo doesn't know the plan. Jeff either doesn't know it or won't share it. No one else talks to the press.

Bro stop saying you don't know what the plan is. Rose is on a one year deal. That's the only reason why we took the chance. Low risk high reward....he didn't work out and now we have cap space aka he's gone. We are not resigning him. That's the plan. Noah is a guy Phil admires and wanted him in the organization. That's it. Of course he was expecting Noah to contribute more on the court but he's still a guy Phil wants herespect to help Kristaps and the future Knicks. Jennings is a expiring. Lee is a movable piece.... what is so hard to understand. Phil still left him space to build on winning or build around KP.... turns out we're just going to build around KP. Get with the program. Stop feeding into that bull**** espn spits out.

Wanting Melo gone doesn't mean we have to defend phil and his questionable moves. He flucked up by not signing and trading Melo when he had the chance. Then he compounds the problem by adding a NTC in the mix. Asinine!

Signing Melo meant we want to win now! Signing Rose was a swing for the fences trying to win now! So was adding Noah and his albatross contract. Lee was supposed to be the final piece to a team that I'm sure he thought would be top 5 in the east. You dont add Rose, Noah, and Lee and expect to be one of the bottom teams in the east. And thats just this seasons plan....He had a dif plan last yr and the yr before...

There was no point where Phil could have signed and traded Melo. It was either resign Melo with a no trade clause or lose him to the Bulls as a FA and get nothing in return. There would be no incentive for Bulls to offer anything for Melo if they could possibly land him as a FA due to Phil and Melo not agreeing to terms and Melo being very selective about what team he would play for.

We have all our draft picks going forward(1 first rounder and 2 2nd rounders this draft) and some solid young players to move on with. Phil tried to win this season it didn't work out. Now we fall back on our draft picks and the expiring(s) of Rose and Jennings. Its not like we have no picks and are in salary cap hell.

I don't know what went on in negotiations for Melo to resign. We do know that he took a little less. Could taking less have been a compromise for the ntc and trade kicker? Maybe. The Bulls were offering 89 mil. Melo got 120 mil from the Knicks. I don't think he walks away from 30 mil over a ntc.

I can't see any deal in which Melo doesn't demand a NTC. Controlling where he plays has been very important to him since he first expressed his desire to leave Denver. If Phil refused to put NTC in the contract. Sure Melo could lose out on 30mil initially, but with the expected raise in salary cap. If Melo signed for 2 year deal with Chi he would have been eligible for A LOT of money last off season. And when you see players like Ryan Anderson and Luol Deng and Joe Johnson getting the money they got... Melo had plenty of options to make large sums of money.

Imagine if Phil let Melo walk and got nothing in return, you think Phil is getting blasted now by the media. Resigning Melo hasn't hurt our ability get high draft picks (Kristap Porzingis, this years lotto pick). Or add young talent(Willie, Kuz), Make trades(Derek Rose & Holiday), Sign FA(Noah, Lee, Jennings, KOQ).

Yet we can and probably will still trade Melo this offseason and get something in return when all is said and done. Still will have 25mil in cap space, possibly more if we actually do move Melo depending on the deal, still will have our lotto pick.

I don't think had a choice but to resign Melo given the circumstances while giving himself the ability to move him and get something back down the line if it didn't work out. Now if we started trading draft picks to add washed up vets in order to win now...

fishmike wrote:

Uptown wrote:

MS wrote:Let's take a quick step back here.

So the GM publically disrespects him. Tweets about him being selfish and devalues his player at every turn. He's lost every trade he's made miserably.

10-11 - 26.3pts 6.7rbs 3.0 ass 46%
11-12 - 22.6pts 6.3rbs 3.6ass 43%
12-13 - 28.7pts 6.9rbs 2.6ass 45%
13-14 - 27.4pts 8.1rbs 3.1ass 45%
14-15 - 24.2pts 6.6pts 3.1ass 44%
15-16 - 21.8pts 7.7rbs 4.2ass 43%
16-17 - 23.3pts 6.0rbs 3.0ass 44%

He's played well here. Has he won. No. But, who has in the last 15 years. Jim Dolan is nightmare and free agents don't want to play here. Too much pressure, to many taxes, to many inept coaches and the worst management in the NBA.

The GM gave the worst contract out of the entire offseason and we lost a max slot because of it. It's ok for him to question the organization after they just dragged him through the mud.

Stop Making Sense!!!

Melo also has the highest usage% in the league for a non guard every year. Go look... he's always in the top 10 in the league and top 2 or 3 for non guards. He literally has held the ball longer than anyone in the NBA over that time. So one can show his pts/rebs/assists and say he's been productive, but he hasnt. We have run the ball through him over and over and the record stinks. Biggest failure was the Bargs deal. Knicks have done a very poor job putting players around Melo. We got the one good year. He quit on MDA. I let it go after watching what he did with Woodson but Im pretty sure he quit on Phil also.

Looks more like phil quit on Melo judgin by the many times he's dragged him in public....With that said, Other than drafting KP, what had phil done to move this franchise forward?

Uptown wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Uptown wrote:

MS wrote:Let's take a quick step back here.

So the GM publically disrespects him. Tweets about him being selfish and devalues his player at every turn. He's lost every trade he's made miserably.

10-11 - 26.3pts 6.7rbs 3.0 ass 46%
11-12 - 22.6pts 6.3rbs 3.6ass 43%
12-13 - 28.7pts 6.9rbs 2.6ass 45%
13-14 - 27.4pts 8.1rbs 3.1ass 45%
14-15 - 24.2pts 6.6pts 3.1ass 44%
15-16 - 21.8pts 7.7rbs 4.2ass 43%
16-17 - 23.3pts 6.0rbs 3.0ass 44%

He's played well here. Has he won. No. But, who has in the last 15 years. Jim Dolan is nightmare and free agents don't want to play here. Too much pressure, to many taxes, to many inept coaches and the worst management in the NBA.

The GM gave the worst contract out of the entire offseason and we lost a max slot because of it. It's ok for him to question the organization after they just dragged him through the mud.

Stop Making Sense!!!

Melo also has the highest usage% in the league for a non guard every year. Go look... he's always in the top 10 in the league and top 2 or 3 for non guards. He literally has held the ball longer than anyone in the NBA over that time. So one can show his pts/rebs/assists and say he's been productive, but he hasnt. We have run the ball through him over and over and the record stinks. Biggest failure was the Bargs deal. Knicks have done a very poor job putting players around Melo. We got the one good year. He quit on MDA. I let it go after watching what he did with Woodson but Im pretty sure he quit on Phil also.

Looks more like phil quit on Melo judgin by the many times he's dragged him in public....With that said, Other than drafting KP, what had phil done to move this franchise forward?

Pat Riley and other coaches have used the media to go at their players. Melo even talked with Shaq and Kobe about it. Don't try to make it seem like this is never done. Phil is about winning and he's tried to help Melo learn how to win.

As far as what Phil has done, he kept our picks and added to them. He's found other ways to try and add more young prospects. The process was mixed with also trying to give Melo some Vet help but now I suspect that effort will cease and the youth movement will be in full effect. It's about the future now!!!

nixluva wrote:

Uptown wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Uptown wrote:

MS wrote:Let's take a quick step back here.

So the GM publically disrespects him. Tweets about him being selfish and devalues his player at every turn. He's lost every trade he's made miserably.

10-11 - 26.3pts 6.7rbs 3.0 ass 46%
11-12 - 22.6pts 6.3rbs 3.6ass 43%
12-13 - 28.7pts 6.9rbs 2.6ass 45%
13-14 - 27.4pts 8.1rbs 3.1ass 45%
14-15 - 24.2pts 6.6pts 3.1ass 44%
15-16 - 21.8pts 7.7rbs 4.2ass 43%
16-17 - 23.3pts 6.0rbs 3.0ass 44%

He's played well here. Has he won. No. But, who has in the last 15 years. Jim Dolan is nightmare and free agents don't want to play here. Too much pressure, to many taxes, to many inept coaches and the worst management in the NBA.

The GM gave the worst contract out of the entire offseason and we lost a max slot because of it. It's ok for him to question the organization after they just dragged him through the mud.

Stop Making Sense!!!

Melo also has the highest usage% in the league for a non guard every year. Go look... he's always in the top 10 in the league and top 2 or 3 for non guards. He literally has held the ball longer than anyone in the NBA over that time. So one can show his pts/rebs/assists and say he's been productive, but he hasnt. We have run the ball through him over and over and the record stinks. Biggest failure was the Bargs deal. Knicks have done a very poor job putting players around Melo. We got the one good year. He quit on MDA. I let it go after watching what he did with Woodson but Im pretty sure he quit on Phil also.

Looks more like phil quit on Melo judgin by the many times he's dragged him in public....With that said, Other than drafting KP, what had phil done to move this franchise forward?

Pat Riley and other coaches have used the media to go at their players. Melo even talked with Shaq and Kobe about it. Don't try to make it seem like this is never done. Phil is about winning and he's tried to help Melo learn how to win.

As far as what Phil has done, he kept our picks and added to them. He's found other ways to try and add more young prospects. The process was mixed with also trying to give Melo some Vet help but now I suspect that effort will cease and the youth movement will be in full effect. It's about the future now!!!

Is Phil coaching the knicks? Phil is a terrible :) that has alienated himself from the league in the player level and front office level. How's it Goink?

nixluva wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Uptown wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Uptown wrote:

MS wrote:Let's take a quick step back here.

So the GM publically disrespects him. Tweets about him being selfish and devalues his player at every turn. He's lost every trade he's made miserably.

10-11 - 26.3pts 6.7rbs 3.0 ass 46%
11-12 - 22.6pts 6.3rbs 3.6ass 43%
12-13 - 28.7pts 6.9rbs 2.6ass 45%
13-14 - 27.4pts 8.1rbs 3.1ass 45%
14-15 - 24.2pts 6.6pts 3.1ass 44%
15-16 - 21.8pts 7.7rbs 4.2ass 43%
16-17 - 23.3pts 6.0rbs 3.0ass 44%

He's played well here. Has he won. No. But, who has in the last 15 years. Jim Dolan is nightmare and free agents don't want to play here. Too much pressure, to many taxes, to many inept coaches and the worst management in the NBA.

The GM gave the worst contract out of the entire offseason and we lost a max slot because of it. It's ok for him to question the organization after they just dragged him through the mud.

Stop Making Sense!!!

Melo also has the highest usage% in the league for a non guard every year. Go look... he's always in the top 10 in the league and top 2 or 3 for non guards. He literally has held the ball longer than anyone in the NBA over that time. So one can show his pts/rebs/assists and say he's been productive, but he hasnt. We have run the ball through him over and over and the record stinks. Biggest failure was the Bargs deal. Knicks have done a very poor job putting players around Melo. We got the one good year. He quit on MDA. I let it go after watching what he did with Woodson but Im pretty sure he quit on Phil also.

Looks more like phil quit on Melo judgin by the many times he's dragged him in public....With that said, Other than drafting KP, what had phil done to move this franchise forward?

Pat Riley and other coaches have used the media to go at their players. Melo even talked with Shaq and Kobe about it. Don't try to make it seem like this is never done. Phil is about winning and he's tried to help Melo learn how to win.

As far as what Phil has done, he kept our picks and added to them. He's found other ways to try and add more young prospects. The process was mixed with also trying to give Melo some Vet help but now I suspect that effort will cease and the youth movement will be in full effect. It's about the future now!!!

Is Phil coaching the knicks? Phil is a terrible :) that has alienated himself from the league in the player level and front office level. How's it Goink?

Phil wanted his best player to play the right way! He talked to him about it and STILL Melo didn't make the changes. You are basically taking the side of a guy that has ZERO NBA TITLES! Phil is not wrong but you seem to know better even tho it goes against every known fact about winning.

All Melo had to do is pass the ball and hustle on D! Be the leader he should be. You keep defending the indefensible along with the Media guys that bash Phil but ignore the point of Phil's comments.

I'm not defending Melo, I'm questioning phils tactics. See the difference?