I have no problem with Phil. Every man has to have control of their own square. If you have problems with what a man is saying, especially an elder....there are ways to handle it. Phil is 70 years old. I'm walking into his office and preparing to get some gems dropped on me.

GustavBahler wrote:

EnySpree wrote:Phil pushes everyone in various ways. Pushing books on people, dropping subliminal gems... he's underestimating the power of the Internet and thus troll ass media.

I have no problem with Phil. Every man has to have control of their own square. If you have problems with what a man is saying, especially an elder....there are ways to handle it. Phil is 70 years old. I'm walking into his office and preparing to get some gems dropped on me.

Phil wants to drop some wisdom on Melo, he can pick up a phone, walk up to him in practice, or call him into his office. Why does the only option seem to be public embarrassment? Phil said in an interview that its not his style, but Melo likes to keep the lines of communication open with him, have lunches, talk. There was no need for this. Its counter-productive unless Phil has another end game.

Are you sure phil hasn't done those things?

KNICKSdom wrote:The media just want to sell. Who know what is real and what is not? Phil can say whatever. Media can paint it in anyone favor. It your own responsibility reacting to it. Ignorance everywhere

I agree with you that's the media these days. It's all tabloidish. They make shyt up all day. Don't know what to believe anymore.

I think Melo has been better recently and last night was not anything but an ass-kicking.

2 or 3 games ago, he scored 20+ points without any iso and just took what the offense gave him. IN crunch time, he stepped and scored because he wasn't tired and beat up.

5 or 6 coaches in his time in NY and we are still talking about him holding the ball too long. Jackson is right and he has all the right in the world to call Melo out. Jackson played on the NY championship teams that moved the ball. The triangle is his pet offense because it is about ball and player movement.

It works! Hornacek knows it too and coaches ball movement.

The only guy that doesn't listen is #7. He is so talented but he needs to fit in so the team can improve around him. WHen needed, then go to work as he has recently, to carry the team through tough times in a game.

“Carmelo a lot of times wants to hold the ball longer than — we have a rule: If you hold a pass two seconds, you benefit the defense. So he has a little bit of a tendency to hold it for three, four, five seconds, and then everybody comes to a stop,” Jackson said on Tuesday. “That is one of the things we work with. But he’s adjusted to (the triangle), he knows what he can do and he’s willing to see its success.”

What happens is Isola makes it into a big old deal knowing it will rile some of you up and get you angry, and anger sells newspapers and media views!!!! So making story bigger is what they do.

Was melo annoyed at media or annoyed at Phil? Hard to say. Melo is smart enough to not respond to anything. Phil is Melo's employer and Melo is paid a big sum to be the team leader and take the heat. There is so much we don't know but I read that statement and its not so awful.

The Lebron comment was weeks ago. If Lebron is still angry and needs extra motivation from it Im sure he'd find something else to work on. Its not like "Ooh, im so complacent and chill, I don't care about NY knicks".

ANd there was Maverick Carter getting a hug on the court last nite.
So far Lebron in his career has been publically blasted by Dan Gilbert and Riley for hijacking a franchise and then perusing his own agenda. Now we can't call A players group "entourage" Cuz that might belittle the group as parasites, calling them a "Gang" insinuates violance, and now we know "Posse" when your over the age of 30 is also disrespectful if you white and say it. Im sure Phil regretted now bought to light.

So phil said his star holds the ball and is getting better at things. Somehow that cost us a game last nite. Laughable.
If anything, some of you critical of phil should be saying "Melo is max player and I would expect he can perform two nites in a row".
Melo wanted in on the triangle thing, stay in NY and the Money. Cool, so whats wrong with a bit of accountability and transparency.
Was it better when our GM's said nothing?

fishmike wrote:

Chandler wrote:If Carmelo was protesting he's a mental midget and a baby. there is absolutely nothing wrong with Phil's approach and his criticism wasn't nonsense; Riley used it; Pop uses it

And it's not like the criticism wasn't fair: he didn't call him a ball-hog (that's media); he said he holds on to the ball too long and that benefits the defense. That is indisputable

Keep in mind we're not talking about a player who has won rings, and a GM who doesn't know what he's talking about.

I agree, and I support Melo when he's hated on. What did Phil say? Dont hold the ball so long? Ball hogging? Which one of these isnt true? This is Melo's 15th year. He's got the lowest assist avg of his whole career. Melo can be a big boy like the rest of us in the real world and deal with it.

Im not even sure Melo is all that upset about it. He might have been blindsided by the quote or unprepared, and the media is annoying, so he might have been annoyed at them.
So Im not keen on slamming Melo for the way he reacted.

So when I re-read Phils statement, its really not all that bad.

fishmike wrote:

Nalod wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Chandler wrote:If Carmelo was protesting he's a mental midget and a baby. there is absolutely nothing wrong with Phil's approach and his criticism wasn't nonsense; Riley used it; Pop uses it

And it's not like the criticism wasn't fair: he didn't call him a ball-hog (that's media); he said he holds on to the ball too long and that benefits the defense. That is indisputable

Keep in mind we're not talking about a player who has won rings, and a GM who doesn't know what he's talking about.

I agree, and I support Melo when he's hated on. What did Phil say? Dont hold the ball so long? Ball hogging? Which one of these isnt true? This is Melo's 15th year. He's got the lowest assist avg of his whole career. Melo can be a big boy like the rest of us in the real world and deal with it.

Im not even sure Melo is all that upset about it. He might have been blindsided by the quote or unprepared, and the media is annoying, so he might have been annoyed at them.
So Im not keen on slamming Melo for the way he reacted.

So when I re-read Phils statement, its really not all that bad.

exactly... I mean he said Melo can play the Kobe/Jordan role, but yea... lets focus on the negative.

If melo is smart he will let his game do the talking;

for the most part i thought the team was putting him in excellent position to succeed often. Giving good passes, in the right spot etc. plenty of opportunities

He still has too many instances though where he resorts to holding on the ball too long; or using the final 9 seconds of the clock to dribble the ball up court and launch a three. This is telling your teammates a big F U. I'm better one-on-one (or even one on two or three) than we are working as a team.

He has to evolve past this. It's not good for the team or ultimately his own success. One thing I hope is that he respects Noah and Rose and that they came from a winning team. Hoping they can can instill/demand that personal sacrifice can be for the greater good.

If they're smart they realize last night was an ass-whooping that they can learn from. WHat do they need to improve, etc. ANd also use it as motivation