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djsunyc
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12/1/2016  1:46 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/1/2016  1:47 PM
http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/30/13631532/everything-mattered-2016-presidential-election

it's a long read but very imformative.

Trump voters were distinguished by their white resentment

Why be coy or euphemistic about this? Study after study after study came to the same conclusion: What most distinguished Trump voters was not their economic status but their attitudes on race, gender, and immigration. Trump ran on white male resentment and won because white male resentment appeals to a lot of white people, including a lot of white women.

Some have asked how racial resentment could be to blame when many Trump voters are former Obama voters. But that mistakes how race works. Precisely because he was black, Obama could run a mostly nonracial campaign. When he did remind voters he was black, as in the Trayvon Martin eulogy, he came in for relentless criticism on the right.

It’s called “priming” — when you remind white people that they are white people, by drawing attention to other groups, their racial consciousness rises. They become more sensitive to in-group/out-group dynamics.

Clinton’s problem is that she couldn’t rely on her identity to tell the story of intersectionality, so she had to tell it out loud, paying rhetorical fealty to all the subaltern groups the Democratic Party represents.

And Trump reminded his non-urban white voters again and again that he was with them, against all the threats — indifferent elites, murderous illegal immigrants, pollution regulations, violent urban gangs, terrorists — they faced from outside.

The Trump/Clinton race was an extended exercise in priming.

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12/1/2016  2:29 PM
djsunyc wrote:let's keep all politics in one place :)

so...

rachel maddow just revealed that indiana will be paying $700K/year to carrier to keep the jobs in the US. it is tax payer money that the governer (pence) can approve. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.

700,000 USD / 1,000 workers = $700 per person per year.
How much would the average worker get per month? X 12
Sounds like a good savings to the State and a creative way to care about American workers, Thank God it is about time.


Looks like Obama was wrong here...

The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift. Albert Einstein
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12/1/2016  2:32 PM
djsunyc wrote:http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/30/13631532/everything-mattered-2016-presidential-election

it's a long read but very imformative.

Trump voters were distinguished by their white resentment

Why be coy or euphemistic about this? Study after study after study came to the same conclusion: What most distinguished Trump voters was not their economic status but their attitudes on race, gender, and immigration. Trump ran on white male resentment and won because white male resentment appeals to a lot of white people, including a lot of white women.

Some have asked how racial resentment could be to blame when many Trump voters are former Obama voters. But that mistakes how race works. Precisely because he was black, Obama could run a mostly nonracial campaign. When he did remind voters he was black, as in the Trayvon Martin eulogy, he came in for relentless criticism on the right.

It’s called “priming” — when you remind white people that they are white people, by drawing attention to other groups, their racial consciousness rises. They become more sensitive to in-group/out-group dynamics.

Clinton’s problem is that she couldn’t rely on her identity to tell the story of intersectionality, so she had to tell it out loud, paying rhetorical fealty to all the subaltern groups the Democratic Party represents.

And Trump reminded his non-urban white voters again and again that he was with them, against all the threats — indifferent elites, murderous illegal immigrants, pollution regulations, violent urban gangs, terrorists — they faced from outside.

The Trump/Clinton race was an extended exercise in priming.

Why did Trump get more support from Hispanic and African American communities than Romney? This is typical Democratic line when ever something doesn't go the way they want they cry racism. Democrates are playing vote bank politics this is divisive.

It's a great thing that Trump did to keep The company in Indiana. Even if he paid to keep them there. What was the difference when Obama bailed out AiG, Banks and big auto. Think about that?

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12/1/2016  2:35 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/1/2016  2:37 PM
earthmansurfer wrote:
djsunyc wrote:let's keep all politics in one place :)

so...

rachel maddow just revealed that indiana will be paying $700K/year to carrier to keep the jobs in the US. it is tax payer money that the governer (pence) can approve. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.

700,000 USD / 1,000 workers = $700 per person per year.
How much would the average worker get per month? X 12
Sounds like a good savings to the State and a creative way to care about American workers, Thank God it is about time.


Looks like Obama was wrong here...

Not really accurate the heading on the clip is it???..What Obama is referring to is NAFTA and all the jobs has disappeared since NAFTA was implemented...85% due to automation and technology by the way,DJ posted the link in the other tread about this already...How is he going to bring those jobs back when Trump himself has his ties and shirts made overseas??..Are Trump ties now going to be made in the US???

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12/1/2016  2:39 PM
holfresh wrote:
arkrud wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:The US is only a true democracy in terms of freedom of speech, religion and freedom of assembly, etc. In terms of the vote and how laws are passed, it's not a democracy..It's not a true representation of all the people...The Senate and House will soon vote to repeal the Healthcare law when Trump takes office... Together, states like Wyoming, North Dakota and West Virginia have 6 Senators representing 2.7 million people voting on a law affecting citizens of New York and California represented by 4 Senators, who together have a population of 60 million people..How is this fair??..Why should such a small segment of people have such a significantly weighted impact on an important life changing bill that effect all Americans??..How can this be allowed in this country???..We go around the world telling people how to fairly run their country but democracy exist in name only in this country...

Thinks about it, Wyoming, North Dakota and West Virginia is about the same population of Brooklyn NY and have 6 Senators...So 2.7 million people potentially have 50% more legislative impact in the Senate, than 60 million people...So .008% of our population have 50% more legislative impact than 19% of our population...How can we allow this??..Regardless of party politics, you have to recognized this is complete BS...

Exactly. And like I was saying in the other thread before it got closed, hating Californians and New Yorkers seems to be the new "in" prejudice among Republicans. They say things like, "If you don't count California, Trump won the popular vote" as if it's OK to just exclude a whole group of Americans.

It's insane... Like it's ok to exclude these states because they aren't the "real America"..

Or exclude all other states but California and NY?
What is the difference except of your personal like or dislike?
The voting system created to reflect the Federal nature of the country.
If you want to change it then states will have a right to decide again if they want to be the members of federation or not.


What noise are you talking man..Please explain more clearly...Federal nature nonsense..

States would have the right to leave..You think Wyoming can support two Senators and House members on it's own..That's my tax money from NY going to them...

Why not. It is small but bigger that many countries in the world.
Seriously you are not looking at 55 new countries like it was with USSR broke in 15 or Yugoslavia.
Many states together can break out of USA and create Confederation of 30 or 40 states who favor federal system to monolithic country with proportional voting system.
Obviously absolute majority of US population will be against any separation so this majority will never support any changes in voting system.

He can teach them to meditate... but no one can control even his own mind...
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12/1/2016  2:45 PM
holfresh wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:
djsunyc wrote:let's keep all politics in one place :)

so...

rachel maddow just revealed that indiana will be paying $700K/year to carrier to keep the jobs in the US. it is tax payer money that the governer (pence) can approve. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.

700,000 USD / 1,000 workers = $700 per person per year.
How much would the average worker get per month? X 12
Sounds like a good savings to the State and a creative way to care about American workers, Thank God it is about time.


Looks like Obama was wrong here...

Not really accurate the heading on the clip is it???..What Obama is referring to is NAFTA and all the jobs has disappeared since NAFTA was implemented...85% due to automation and technology by the way,DJ posted the link in the other tread about this already...How is he going to bring those jobs back when Trump himself has his ties and shirts made overseas??..Are Trump ties now going to be made in the US???

Can you see no joy in anything, seriously? He just saved 1000 jobs and you and other Hillary supporters have nothing positive to say.
Trump is doing Obama's job right now. No excuse for how poorly Obama has done.

Trump is creating a different tax system to help everyone, from the poor to the rich (lower taxes for all). Yeah, Trump took advantage of loopholes in the system as all businesses do. But there are ways to help to keep jobs in America too.

I hope companies would have some pride to come back to America, instead of just buying back stock and crap like that. If not, then they are digging our grave. But I'm sure a little pressure in the right places will work.

The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift. Albert Einstein
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12/1/2016  2:46 PM
arkrud wrote:
holfresh wrote:
arkrud wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:The US is only a true democracy in terms of freedom of speech, religion and freedom of assembly, etc. In terms of the vote and how laws are passed, it's not a democracy..It's not a true representation of all the people...The Senate and House will soon vote to repeal the Healthcare law when Trump takes office... Together, states like Wyoming, North Dakota and West Virginia have 6 Senators representing 2.7 million people voting on a law affecting citizens of New York and California represented by 4 Senators, who together have a population of 60 million people..How is this fair??..Why should such a small segment of people have such a significantly weighted impact on an important life changing bill that effect all Americans??..How can this be allowed in this country???..We go around the world telling people how to fairly run their country but democracy exist in name only in this country...

Thinks about it, Wyoming, North Dakota and West Virginia is about the same population of Brooklyn NY and have 6 Senators...So 2.7 million people potentially have 50% more legislative impact in the Senate, than 60 million people...So .008% of our population have 50% more legislative impact than 19% of our population...How can we allow this??..Regardless of party politics, you have to recognized this is complete BS...

Exactly. And like I was saying in the other thread before it got closed, hating Californians and New Yorkers seems to be the new "in" prejudice among Republicans. They say things like, "If you don't count California, Trump won the popular vote" as if it's OK to just exclude a whole group of Americans.

It's insane... Like it's ok to exclude these states because they aren't the "real America"..

Or exclude all other states but California and NY?
What is the difference except of your personal like or dislike?
The voting system created to reflect the Federal nature of the country.
If you want to change it then states will have a right to decide again if they want to be the members of federation or not.


What noise are you talking man..Please explain more clearly...Federal nature nonsense..

States would have the right to leave..You think Wyoming can support two Senators and House members on it's own..That's my tax money from NY going to them...

Why not. It is small but bigger that many countries in the world.
Seriously you are not looking at 55 new countries like it was with USSR broke in 15 or Yugoslavia.
Many states together can break out of USA and create Confederation of 30 or 40 states who favor federal system to monolithic country with proportional voting system.
Obviously absolute majority of US population will be against any separation so this majority will never support any changes in voting system.

Oh stop..How about NY and California breaking off and creating their own Federation...Communism and low standard of living will want to make people leave too...

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12/1/2016  2:49 PM
ramtour420 wrote:
arkrud wrote:
djsunyc wrote:let's keep all politics in one place :)

so...

rachel maddow just revealed that indiana will be paying $700K/year to carrier to keep the jobs in the US. it is tax payer money that the governer (pence) can approve. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.

What the diff to pay people social for not working or pay companies to keep them working?
Eater way its taxpayers money.
By the way who cares where tax money goes? I count my income after tax.
And tax is just a payment for the privilege to leave in US not in Russia or some other wasteland...

Man, what's with all the hate about Russia? Wasteland? Ask those people whose land was destroyed by fracking, ask the Native Americans, ask those living in the Gulf of Mexico and faced with oil spill after another oil spill where they think the wasteland is. Meanwhile Russia provides most of the Oxygen for the planet. You are not making sense. Enjoy your yummy GMO's, unlabeled and forced down your throat( banned in Russia btw) Ask people in Flynt where they think the wasteland is at. Oh and Russia gets most of its electricity from hydroelectric power plants( say hello to USSR)a renewable source, while in the US Big Coal is the source of most electricity. So to summarize you need to do some research because you sound not very smart

Correct, but he sounds a lot smarter than he is. Sad, but true. There's plenty of evidence on that last thread.

The only things that trickle down are wages and horse shit
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12/1/2016  2:53 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/1/2016  2:54 PM
earthmansurfer wrote:
holfresh wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:
djsunyc wrote:let's keep all politics in one place :)

so...

rachel maddow just revealed that indiana will be paying $700K/year to carrier to keep the jobs in the US. it is tax payer money that the governer (pence) can approve. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.

700,000 USD / 1,000 workers = $700 per person per year.
How much would the average worker get per month? X 12
Sounds like a good savings to the State and a creative way to care about American workers, Thank God it is about time.


Looks like Obama was wrong here...

Not really accurate the heading on the clip is it???..What Obama is referring to is NAFTA and all the jobs has disappeared since NAFTA was implemented...85% due to automation and technology by the way,DJ posted the link in the other tread about this already...How is he going to bring those jobs back when Trump himself has his ties and shirts made overseas??..Are Trump ties now going to be made in the US???

Can you see no joy in anything, seriously? He just saved 1000 jobs and you and other Hillary supporters have nothing positive to say.
Trump is doing Obama's job right now. No excuse for how poorly Obama has done.

Trump is creating a different tax system to help everyone, from the poor to the rich (lower taxes for all). Yeah, Trump took advantage of loopholes in the system as all businesses do. But there are ways to help to keep jobs in America too.

I hope companies would have some pride to come back to America, instead of just buying back stock and crap like that. If not, then they are digging our grave. But I'm sure a little pressure in the right places will work.

Window dressing, dog and pony show, outside of this particular act, Trump is angling to do the exact opposite of what he ran on..He is already waffling on his populist message..I don't care, I never believed anything he said anyway, so no shock there...

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12/1/2016  2:59 PM
holfresh wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:
holfresh wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:
djsunyc wrote:let's keep all politics in one place :)

so...

rachel maddow just revealed that indiana will be paying $700K/year to carrier to keep the jobs in the US. it is tax payer money that the governer (pence) can approve. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.

700,000 USD / 1,000 workers = $700 per person per year.
How much would the average worker get per month? X 12
Sounds like a good savings to the State and a creative way to care about American workers, Thank God it is about time.


Looks like Obama was wrong here...

Not really accurate the heading on the clip is it???..What Obama is referring to is NAFTA and all the jobs has disappeared since NAFTA was implemented...85% due to automation and technology by the way,DJ posted the link in the other tread about this already...How is he going to bring those jobs back when Trump himself has his ties and shirts made overseas??..Are Trump ties now going to be made in the US???

Can you see no joy in anything, seriously? He just saved 1000 jobs and you and other Hillary supporters have nothing positive to say.
Trump is doing Obama's job right now. No excuse for how poorly Obama has done.

Trump is creating a different tax system to help everyone, from the poor to the rich (lower taxes for all). Yeah, Trump took advantage of loopholes in the system as all businesses do. But there are ways to help to keep jobs in America too.

I hope companies would have some pride to come back to America, instead of just buying back stock and crap like that. If not, then they are digging our grave. But I'm sure a little pressure in the right places will work.

Window dressing, dog and pony show, outside of this particular act, Trump is angling to do the exact opposite of what he ran on..He is already waffling on his populist message..I don't care, I never believed anything he said anyway, so no shock there...

Obama spent 770 Million renovating Mosques in the Middle East and you guys are complaining about a State spending 700,000 a year to keep 1,000 jobs in America, that Trump did while President Elect?

CBS Investigation

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12/1/2016  3:01 PM
earthmansurfer wrote:
holfresh wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:
holfresh wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:
djsunyc wrote:let's keep all politics in one place :)

so...

rachel maddow just revealed that indiana will be paying $700K/year to carrier to keep the jobs in the US. it is tax payer money that the governer (pence) can approve. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.

700,000 USD / 1,000 workers = $700 per person per year.
How much would the average worker get per month? X 12
Sounds like a good savings to the State and a creative way to care about American workers, Thank God it is about time.


Looks like Obama was wrong here...

Not really accurate the heading on the clip is it???..What Obama is referring to is NAFTA and all the jobs has disappeared since NAFTA was implemented...85% due to automation and technology by the way,DJ posted the link in the other tread about this already...How is he going to bring those jobs back when Trump himself has his ties and shirts made overseas??..Are Trump ties now going to be made in the US???

Can you see no joy in anything, seriously? He just saved 1000 jobs and you and other Hillary supporters have nothing positive to say.
Trump is doing Obama's job right now. No excuse for how poorly Obama has done.

Trump is creating a different tax system to help everyone, from the poor to the rich (lower taxes for all). Yeah, Trump took advantage of loopholes in the system as all businesses do. But there are ways to help to keep jobs in America too.

I hope companies would have some pride to come back to America, instead of just buying back stock and crap like that. If not, then they are digging our grave. But I'm sure a little pressure in the right places will work.

Window dressing, dog and pony show, outside of this particular act, Trump is angling to do the exact opposite of what he ran on..He is already waffling on his populist message..I don't care, I never believed anything he said anyway, so no shock there...

Obama spent 770 Million renovating Mosques in the Middle East and you guys are complaining about a State spending 700,000 a year to keep 1,000 jobs in America, that Trump did while President Elect?

CBS Investigation

Keeping jobs are a very good thing...I support that 1000%, no pun intended, but I think you guys get it wrong on who started nation building in the Middle East...

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12/1/2016  3:21 PM
djsunyc wrote:http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/30/13631532/everything-mattered-2016-presidential-election

it's a long read but very imformative.

Trump voters were distinguished by their white resentment

Why be coy or euphemistic about this? Study after study after study came to the same conclusion: What most distinguished Trump voters was not their economic status but their attitudes on race, gender, and immigration. Trump ran on white male resentment and won because white male resentment appeals to a lot of white people, including a lot of white women.

Some have asked how racial resentment could be to blame when many Trump voters are former Obama voters. But that mistakes how race works. Precisely because he was black, Obama could run a mostly nonracial campaign. When he did remind voters he was black, as in the Trayvon Martin eulogy, he came in for relentless criticism on the right.

It’s called “priming” — when you remind white people that they are white people, by drawing attention to other groups, their racial consciousness rises. They become more sensitive to in-group/out-group dynamics.

Clinton’s problem is that she couldn’t rely on her identity to tell the story of intersectionality, so she had to tell it out loud, paying rhetorical fealty to all the subaltern groups the Democratic Party represents.

And Trump reminded his non-urban white voters again and again that he was with them, against all the threats — indifferent elites, murderous illegal immigrants, pollution regulations, violent urban gangs, terrorists — they faced from outside.

The Trump/Clinton race was an extended exercise in priming.

All current researches are based on premise that urbanization continue to be the main driver for population shift.
But reality shows that this trend is reversing.
Automation, robotization, computerization, and productivity grows already created huge excess of working hands and heads in the cities and we will see outflow of people back out of overcrowded urban centers as soon as the social help will not be able to keep them afloat. People will stream back to country site where they can be self-sufficient at least to the level of surviving.
This is already happening in Russia and other countries which are industrialized but failed to collect enough of public wealth to support large unemployed and underemployed population in cities.
It will take more time in US but is inevitable.
What most of the pundits see as racial or nationalistic issues are in fact demographic issues which they always were.
The refusal of general public to accept this reality is related to human race inability to control demographic for the most part.
The loss of control is psychologically unacceptable and depressive for many people.

He can teach them to meditate... but no one can control even his own mind...
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12/1/2016  3:22 PM
holfresh wrote:
arkrud wrote:
holfresh wrote:
arkrud wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:The US is only a true democracy in terms of freedom of speech, religion and freedom of assembly, etc. In terms of the vote and how laws are passed, it's not a democracy..It's not a true representation of all the people...The Senate and House will soon vote to repeal the Healthcare law when Trump takes office... Together, states like Wyoming, North Dakota and West Virginia have 6 Senators representing 2.7 million people voting on a law affecting citizens of New York and California represented by 4 Senators, who together have a population of 60 million people..How is this fair??..Why should such a small segment of people have such a significantly weighted impact on an important life changing bill that effect all Americans??..How can this be allowed in this country???..We go around the world telling people how to fairly run their country but democracy exist in name only in this country...

Thinks about it, Wyoming, North Dakota and West Virginia is about the same population of Brooklyn NY and have 6 Senators...So 2.7 million people potentially have 50% more legislative impact in the Senate, than 60 million people...So .008% of our population have 50% more legislative impact than 19% of our population...How can we allow this??..Regardless of party politics, you have to recognized this is complete BS...

Exactly. And like I was saying in the other thread before it got closed, hating Californians and New Yorkers seems to be the new "in" prejudice among Republicans. They say things like, "If you don't count California, Trump won the popular vote" as if it's OK to just exclude a whole group of Americans.

It's insane... Like it's ok to exclude these states because they aren't the "real America"..

Or exclude all other states but California and NY?
What is the difference except of your personal like or dislike?
The voting system created to reflect the Federal nature of the country.
If you want to change it then states will have a right to decide again if they want to be the members of federation or not.


What noise are you talking man..Please explain more clearly...Federal nature nonsense..

States would have the right to leave..You think Wyoming can support two Senators and House members on it's own..That's my tax money from NY going to them...

Why not. It is small but bigger that many countries in the world.
Seriously you are not looking at 55 new countries like it was with USSR broke in 15 or Yugoslavia.
Many states together can break out of USA and create Confederation of 30 or 40 states who favor federal system to monolithic country with proportional voting system.
Obviously absolute majority of US population will be against any separation so this majority will never support any changes in voting system.

Oh stop..How about NY and California breaking off and creating their own Federation...Communism and low standard of living will want to make people leave too...

Why not... Same story only reverse. And most of the population in NY and California will not support it too.

He can teach them to meditate... but no one can control even his own mind...
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12/1/2016  3:24 PM
martin wrote:this is our country

Why are you surprised, EMS just posted the video they are talking about..The interviewer was probably nervous and asked Obama if she voted, would they come to her house to deport her..She probably meant people in her household, but Obama corrected her and said you can vote if you are a citizen...The right didn't hear his correction, ask EMS he still tried to say Obama was ok with illegal immigrants voting...

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12/1/2016  3:25 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/1/2016  3:25 PM
meloshouldgo wrote:
ramtour420 wrote:
arkrud wrote:
djsunyc wrote:let's keep all politics in one place :)

so...

rachel maddow just revealed that indiana will be paying $700K/year to carrier to keep the jobs in the US. it is tax payer money that the governer (pence) can approve. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.

What the diff to pay people social for not working or pay companies to keep them working?
Eater way its taxpayers money.
By the way who cares where tax money goes? I count my income after tax.
And tax is just a payment for the privilege to leave in US not in Russia or some other wasteland...

Man, what's with all the hate about Russia? Wasteland? Ask those people whose land was destroyed by fracking, ask the Native Americans, ask those living in the Gulf of Mexico and faced with oil spill after another oil spill where they think the wasteland is. Meanwhile Russia provides most of the Oxygen for the planet. You are not making sense. Enjoy your yummy GMO's, unlabeled and forced down your throat( banned in Russia btw) Ask people in Flynt where they think the wasteland is at. Oh and Russia gets most of its electricity from hydroelectric power plants( say hello to USSR)a renewable source, while in the US Big Coal is the source of most electricity. So to summarize you need to do some research because you sound not very smart

Correct, but he sounds a lot smarter than he is. Sad, but true. There's plenty of evidence on that last thread.

May be somebody has problems with comprehension skills.
At least looks like hate shuts some people minds down.
This is very common issue.
Hate and anger kills slowly but surely.

He can teach them to meditate... but no one can control even his own mind...
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12/1/2016  3:27 PM
earthmansurfer wrote:Can you see no joy in anything, seriously? He just saved 1000 jobs and you and other Hillary supporters have nothing positive to say.
Trump is doing Obama's job right now. No excuse for how poorly Obama has done.

Trump is creating a different tax system to help everyone, from the poor to the rich (lower taxes for all). Yeah, Trump took advantage of loopholes in the system as all businesses do. But there are ways to help to keep jobs in America too.

I hope companies would have some pride to come back to America, instead of just buying back stock and crap like that. If not, then they are digging our grave. But I'm sure a little pressure in the right places will work.

ems - i understand you are supporting trump and believe in his plans. can you post links on how trump's trickle down plan will help the economy? can you also post links on how trumps tax cuts will help the economy? from many accounts of independent financial experts, his plans will not help. i would like to read some articles on where it will - i'm genuinely curious to read the other side of it.

as for the carrier jobs - yes, to those 1000 employees, trump did his job. but the other people of indiana are now helping to pay for those jobs to stay - without their consent. i'm glad those 1000 people can keep working - but the full financial ramifications are yet to be determined until a few years from now. i can't deny the optics of it but when it comes to politicians, we need to look closer.

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12/1/2016  3:31 PM
arkrud wrote:
holfresh wrote:
arkrud wrote:
holfresh wrote:
arkrud wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:The US is only a true democracy in terms of freedom of speech, religion and freedom of assembly, etc. In terms of the vote and how laws are passed, it's not a democracy..It's not a true representation of all the people...The Senate and House will soon vote to repeal the Healthcare law when Trump takes office... Together, states like Wyoming, North Dakota and West Virginia have 6 Senators representing 2.7 million people voting on a law affecting citizens of New York and California represented by 4 Senators, who together have a population of 60 million people..How is this fair??..Why should such a small segment of people have such a significantly weighted impact on an important life changing bill that effect all Americans??..How can this be allowed in this country???..We go around the world telling people how to fairly run their country but democracy exist in name only in this country...

Thinks about it, Wyoming, North Dakota and West Virginia is about the same population of Brooklyn NY and have 6 Senators...So 2.7 million people potentially have 50% more legislative impact in the Senate, than 60 million people...So .008% of our population have 50% more legislative impact than 19% of our population...How can we allow this??..Regardless of party politics, you have to recognized this is complete BS...

Exactly. And like I was saying in the other thread before it got closed, hating Californians and New Yorkers seems to be the new "in" prejudice among Republicans. They say things like, "If you don't count California, Trump won the popular vote" as if it's OK to just exclude a whole group of Americans.

It's insane... Like it's ok to exclude these states because they aren't the "real America"..

Or exclude all other states but California and NY?
What is the difference except of your personal like or dislike?
The voting system created to reflect the Federal nature of the country.
If you want to change it then states will have a right to decide again if they want to be the members of federation or not.


What noise are you talking man..Please explain more clearly...Federal nature nonsense..

States would have the right to leave..You think Wyoming can support two Senators and House members on it's own..That's my tax money from NY going to them...

Why not. It is small but bigger that many countries in the world.
Seriously you are not looking at 55 new countries like it was with USSR broke in 15 or Yugoslavia.
Many states together can break out of USA and create Confederation of 30 or 40 states who favor federal system to monolithic country with proportional voting system.
Obviously absolute majority of US population will be against any separation so this majority will never support any changes in voting system.

Oh stop..How about NY and California breaking off and creating their own Federation...Communism and low standard of living will want to make people leave too...

Why not... Same story only reverse. And most of the population in NY and California will not support it too.

So, we shouldn't try to get our voices heard by our representatives for fear of the stability of the Republic??..Then it's time to shake up the Republic, don't you think??

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12/1/2016  3:34 PM
arkrud wrote:All current researches are based on premise that urbanization continue to be the main driver for population shift.
But reality shows that this trend is reversing.
Automation, robotization, computerization, and productivity grows already created huge excess of working hands and heads in the cities and we will see outflow of people back out of overcrowded urban centers as soon as the social help will not be able to keep them afloat. People will stream back to country site where they can be self-sufficient at least to the level of surviving.
This is already happening in Russia and other countries which are industrialized but failed to collect enough of public wealth to support large unemployed and underemployed population in cities.
It will take more time in US but is inevitable.
What most of the pundits see as racial or nationalistic issues are in fact demographic issues which they always were.
The refusal of general public to accept this reality is related to human race inability to control demographic for the most part.
The loss of control is psychologically unacceptable and depressive for many people.

demographics and race are intertwined. trump campaigned on race - i don't think that's even up for debate. there is enough data to support it.

i think white people in this country were ready for a change (obama) but to overcome what's in the subconscious takes a long time and trump was able to revert many back to it. racism isn't just about screaming at someone who's a different color - it's engrained in everyone since this country was built on racism. it's still very institutional and all of us have it in us whether we choose to admit it or not. but the fact is, one race has dominated all the others in this country - and any set back in terms of racial unity - and this election is a set back - takes years to overcome and further engrains what's already in our subconscious.

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12/1/2016  3:47 PM
djsunyc wrote:
arkrud wrote:All current researches are based on premise that urbanization continue to be the main driver for population shift.
But reality shows that this trend is reversing.
Automation, robotization, computerization, and productivity grows already created huge excess of working hands and heads in the cities and we will see outflow of people back out of overcrowded urban centers as soon as the social help will not be able to keep them afloat. People will stream back to country site where they can be self-sufficient at least to the level of surviving.
This is already happening in Russia and other countries which are industrialized but failed to collect enough of public wealth to support large unemployed and underemployed population in cities.
It will take more time in US but is inevitable.
What most of the pundits see as racial or nationalistic issues are in fact demographic issues which they always were.
The refusal of general public to accept this reality is related to human race inability to control demographic for the most part.
The loss of control is psychologically unacceptable and depressive for many people.

demographics and race are intertwined. trump campaigned on race - i don't think that's even up for debate. there is enough data to support it.

i think white people in this country were ready for a change (obama) but to overcome what's in the subconscious takes a long time and trump was able to revert many back to it. racism isn't just about screaming at someone who's a different color - it's engrained in everyone since this country was built on racism. it's still very institutional and all of us have it in us whether we choose to admit it or not. but the fact is, one race has dominated all the others in this country - and any set back in terms of racial unity - and this election is a set back - takes years to overcome and further engrains what's already in our subconscious.

10th if not hundreds of millions emigrants came to US after slavery was abolished and even after segregation was ended.
Still they posses racist and nationalistic views they brought from other countries.
At least on the surface this manifests as such.
Deep inside it is the same tribal "us against the world" position which comes out of necessity to survive.
The only way to overcome this huge drag on the progress is to collect as much of public wealth as possible to support basic needs of all population groups. We are not there yet and focus should be on getting the pie bigger no evenly distributed.
Later proved to make it smaller.
Obviously it is counterintuitive and not easily accepted by those who are on the tin end.
But life in not fair. It is just what it is.

He can teach them to meditate... but no one can control even his own mind...
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