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fishmike wrote:Nix.. its sooooo funny, it really is. Trump dogged Obama about his birth cert for years. Now 2 months in and Trump and his supporters cry because he's not getting "a fair chance."

They aren't crying. The person they voted for won and will win again because they cannot be deceived

Take a step back and re-read what you wrote. It's gibberish- Trump lies, so his supporters can clearly be deceived. How can you already know the outcome of the election in 4 years (especially when you seem to think it will be won on the basis of people not being deceived). You may love it when Trump spouts any old bombastic drivel, but that doesn't make it true- it's just bombastic drivel, much like your post.

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http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/2/15/14552118/trump-accomplishments

Speaking on ABC’s This Week last Sunday, White House senior adviser Stephen Miller argued that the Trump administration “has done more in three weeks than most presidents have done in an entire administration.”

And it certainly feels like an enormous amount of news has transpired in the brief time since Donald Trump’s inauguration. We’ve had two separate waves of massive protests, White House–initiated controversies over crowd size and voter fraud, a flurry of diplomatic activity related to China, Russia, Iran, and North Korea, and a gobsmacking number of insider leaks from the White House.

But stepping back, the reality is that Trump has not actually done very much. He’s signed three laws: a waiver to allow James Mattis to serve as defense secretary, the rollback of an obscure Obama regulation that made oil companies disclose their payoffs to foreign governments, and whatever the GAO Access and Oversight Act of 2017 is (it passed Congress unanimously and seems to be leftover business from the previous administration). His most consequential executive order is now tied up in court.

By contrast, eight years ago this Friday, Barack Obama signed into law the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 (ARRA) — the fiscal stimulus bill that serves as the second- or third-most-consequential piece of legislation he signed during his two terms in office. And that wasn’t his first bill. It’s still very early in Trump’s term in office, and it’s certainly possible that he’ll pick up the pace down the road. But there’s an enormous difference in life between being busy and getting things done. And so far, Trump’s frenzy of activity hasn’t added up to very much.

Obama’s first four weeks accomplished an enormous amount
By the time the stimulus was signed, Obama had already signed two significant pieces of legislation. One, the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, changed the statute of limitations on pay discrimination lawsuits to make it easier for victims of unfair labor practices to obtain compensation. The other, a reauthorization and expansion of the State Children’s Health Insurance Program, has since been overshadowed by the Affordable Care Act, but it was a significant bill in its own right. The bill added almost $33 billion in funding to provide insurance coverage to about 4 million children, including — for the first time — a provision to allow legal immigrants to obtain coverage without a waiting period.

The money was found through an increase in the federal excise tax on tobacco products. A 2012 study from Jidong Huang and Frank Chaloupka found that the increase reduced the number of teen smokers by about 250,000 and the number of teen smokeless tobacco users by nearly 200,000 in the short term.

Even more consequentially, they believe the “long-term projected number of youth prevented from smoking or using smokeless tobacco that resulted from the 2009 federal tax increase could be much larger,” since smoking is, famously, addictive, so the impact of getting people to not start is cumulative over time. That adds up to many thousands of lives saved over the years — while the Lilly Ledbetter Act’s provisions are already sufficiently entrenched that there is zero GOP effort to reverse them.

Either of these bills is easily more significant than anything Trump has done so far, yet both are dwarfed by the long- and short-term impact of the stimulus bill.

ARRA was more than a fiscal stimulus
The stimulus bill’s primary purpose, of course, was to promote economic recovery. And while economists will debate until the cows come home exactly how successful — and how cost-effective — it was at doing this, there is broad expert consensus that it created jobs and reduced the unemployment rate during the peak crisis years.

Congressional Budget Office estimates of its impact across four years show that even if you believe the most pessimistic assessments, it added hundreds of billions of dollars to total economic output and supported millions of jobs.


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But beyond the short-term economic impact, the stimulus also had a substantial long-term legacy.

One clear example of this is the way the Race to the Top grant program — which made education money available to states contingent on adopting administration-favored policy reforms — spurred change nationwide. The University of Chicago’s William Howell concluded in a 2015 assessment that this worked. Regardless of the merits of the underlying reforms, “the president managed to stimulate reforms that had stalled in state legislatures, stood no chance of enactment in Congress, and could not be accomplished via unilateral action.”

They repaired 42,000 miles of road, bought more than 12,000 mass transit vehicles, and cleaned up water supplies nationwide.

Tax credits for renewable energy production kept the wind and solar energy sectors afloat at a time when business investment was tanking, and have semipermanently entrenched these industries as significant players in the American energy mix. There are now twice as many jobs tied to solar energy production as coal, as solar installations have soared 2,000 percent.

Trump, obviously, has not yet signed laws transforming American education, health, or transportation policy.

Trump hasn’t even started on anything
The Trump administration, meanwhile, not only has almost no legislative accomplishments but also shows no sign of having made any progress.

New presidents often have at least one popular bill teed up for them quickly that was vetoed by their predecessor. That was the story, essentially, with the Lilly Ledbetter Act and with the Family and Medical Leave Act that Bill Clinton signed on February 5, 1993. Trump doesn’t have one of those — or, indeed, anything — largely because congressional Republicans don’t seem to have stress-tested their plan for repealing the Affordable Care Act.

The thing they had repeatedly passed only to face Obama’s veto pen was repeal of Obamacare — repeal that was always supposed to be paired with some unspecified future replacement.

And Plan A during the transition — called “repeal and delay” — was to quickly pass a repeal bill and then work out a replacement plan later. Because Obamacare repeal is also a giant tax cut for the rich, this would then set a new lower baseline for tax revenue that could be used as a starting point for tax reform legislation. Republican senators, however, turn out to be queasy about the idea of voting for repeal without a sense of what the replacement looks like. But the GOP has no consensus at all on what a replacement should look like, which, for now at least, has left the entire legislative agenda stalled.

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2/19/2017  10:30 AM
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/02/president-trump-has-done-almost-nothing-214775

Just weeks into Donald Trump’s presidency, you would think that everything had changed. The uproar over the president’s tweets grows louder by the day, as does concern over the erratic, haphazard and aggressive stance of the White House toward critics and those with different policy views. On Sunday, White House aide Stephen Miller bragged, “We have a president who has done more in three weeks than most presidents have done in an entire administration.”

But Miller was dead wrong about this. There is a wide gap, a chasm even, between what the administration has said and what it has done. There have been 45 executive orders or presidential memoranda signed, which may seem like a lot but lags President Barack Obama’s pace. More crucially, with the notable exception of the travel ban, almost none of these orders have mandated much action or clear change of current regulations. So far, Trump has behaved exactly like he has throughout his previous career: He has generated intense attention and sold himself as a man of action while doing little other than promote an image of himself as someone who gets things done.

It is the illusion of a presidency, not the real thing.

The key problem here is understanding Trump’s executive orders and presidential memoranda. Trump very quickly seized on the signing of these as media opportunities, and each new order and memo has been staged and announced as dramatic steps to alter the course of the country. Not accustomed to presidents whose words mean little when it comes to actual policy, opponents have seized on these as proof that Trump represents a malign force, while supporters have pointed to these as proof that Trump is actually fulfilling his campaign promises.

Neither is correct. The official documents have all the patina of “big deals” but when parsed and examined turn out to be far, far less than they appear. Take the order authorizing the construction of a border wall between the United States and Mexico. The relevant section of the January 25 order read: “It is the policy of the executive branch to … secure the southern border of the United States through the immediate construction of a physical wall on the southern border, monitored and supported by adequate personnel so as to prevent illegal immigration, drug and human trafficking, and acts of terrorism.” That sounds indeed like an order to fulfill a controversial campaign promise. The problem? Congress initially passed a Secure Fence Act in 2006 that required the construction of nearly 700 miles of fortified border. By 2011, under the Obama administration, most of that was completed, with a mix of pedestrian fencing and vehicle fortifications. Since then, there has only been minimal funding for further fortifications.

The result is that Trump issued an executive order mandating something that has in many respects already been done—with no congressional funding yet to redo the current fortified border with a larger, more expensive structure. The president does not have the budgetary discretion to build such a wall, and it remains to be seen whether Congress will authorize what promises to be a controversial and redundant project. This executive order, therefore, changes nothing, and only mandates something that has already been mandated, already been constructed and that the president lacks the spending authority to upgrade.

Then take things like the Keystone pipeline permits, the promise to deregulate and the most recently signed orders about crime. The January 24 order on infrastructure begins with a sentiment almost anyone could agree with: “Infrastructure investment strengthens our economic platform, makes America more competitive, creates millions of jobs, increases wages for American workers, and reduces the costs of goods and services for American families and consumers. Too often, infrastructure projects in the United States have been routinely and excessively delayed by agency processes and procedures.” It then declares that the policy of the Executive Branch is to expedite the permitting of such projects. That was followed by two memoranda on the Keystone and Dakota Access Pipelines that had been denied permits during Obama’s tenure, which urges the companies to re-submit their permit applications for review.

That might seem like an order to have the pipelines built. But Keystone remains almost entirely an idea, and oil shipments and infrastructure from Canada have long since been routed elsewhere given the years and years of delay in ever authorizing it. The Dakota Access Pipeline is largely complete, with a major dispute over its passage through tribal lands, and here too, it is unlikely that a presidential memorandum has any legal bearing on how that issue is resolved given that it lies within the purview of the Army Corps of Engineers and cannot simply be countermanded by the White House.

Or take the orders of deregulation. Those were widely hailed as a rollback of Dodd-Frank, especially given that the morning that the order was issued, February 3, Trump met with bank CEOs and expressed his dislike for many of the legislation’s provisions. The actual order, however, delivers much less than it promises, merely directing the secretary of the Treasury to review existing regulations and report back on which ones might be refined to achieve better outcomes.

Or the crime orders signed on February 9, which were widely hailed as cracking down on “transnational criminal organizations” and “preventing violence against … law enforcement officers.” Nothing in the text of these orders is either objectionable or in any respect a departure from current law and policy. One order states plainly that it shall be the policy of the administration to “enforce all Federal laws in order to enhance the protection and safety of Federal, State, tribal, and local law enforcement officers, and thereby all Americans.” The other says that the administration will seek to use existing laws to crack down on trafficking. You would have known none of that from the headlines both supporting and denouncing the efforts. Breitbart claimed “Trump Signs Three Executive Orders to Restore Safety in America” while many took these orders as a sign that police will have new, expanded powers and protections. In truth, the orders changed the status quo not one whit.

On it goes: The recent crackdown on undocumented immigrants that followed Trump’s January 25 order on enforcement priorities may depart from Barack Obama’s post-2102 policies to de-emphasize deportation of undocumented immigrants who do not have criminal records, but it appears fully consistent with deportation actions during both Obama’s first term and during significant portions of George W. Bush’s administration. The orders on health care, on defeating ISIS, on rebuilding the armed forces—all were essentially statements of intent with no legal force and requiring no action except a mandate to relevant departments and agencies to study issues and report back.

The travel ban, of course, is different. It was an actual policy order that dramatically changed immigration and visa policies for seven Muslim-majority countries. It was swiftly rejected by the courts, however, which meant that the signature policy of the Trump administration is now not a policy at all—at least, unless and until the White House finds a different approach.

Yes, what the president says matters. Trump’s casual relationship with the truth and his carefree use of tweets set the public agenda and help determine how foreign countries relate to our government. Intent also matters, and clearly, the Trump administration is determined to do a variety of things—from border security to health care to trade to immigration—that many, many Americans find objectionable, wrong and against the best interests of the country.

And yet, words are not the same as actions. Trump can issue as many documents called executive orders and presidential memoranda as he wants. As the fate of the travel ban shows, however, that doesn’t mean that even the more meaningful ones are actionable, and the preponderance of the orders to date would in any other administration have been news releases stating broad policy goals that may or may not ever become actual policy.

But too many of us take these words as action. That confirms both the worst fears of what the Trump administration is and the greatest hopes of what Trump wants it to be: a White House that shoots first and asks question later, a White House of action and change that shakes the status quo to the core and charts a new path for America and Americans. To date, this White House has broken every convention and rule of tone and attitude, toward Washington and toward the truth. But in reality, it has done far less than most people think.

In the time ahead, as Congress turns to actual legislation and the White House presumably does normal things like propose a budget and specify its legislative ideas, there will be real actions for us to probe and debate. Distinguishing between words and action is essential: When senators say silly things about legislation, we know to separate those public statements from votes takes and laws passed. When leaders of other countries speak aggressively, we do not immediately act as if war is imminent; if that were the case, we’d have invaded Iran and North Korea years ago. Words should be taken as possible indicators of future action, but not as absolutes and not always.

Trump poses a challenge to decades of tradition and precedent. He is masterful as conflating words and actions in a way that enrages and alarms his opponents and exhilarates and excites his supporters. It’s more important than ever to distinguish what is from what isn’t. Understanding the difference between what this president says and what he does is one of the only things that will keep our public debate from plunging ever deeper into the hall of mirrors.

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2/19/2017  12:17 PM
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2/19/2017  2:26 PM
New York Times has mastered the art of Fake News with zero sources backing their wild allegations
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2/19/2017  2:27 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/19/2017  2:28 PM
gunsnewing wrote:New York Times has mastered the art of Fake News with zero sources backing their wild allegations

Major fail...It's funny that Flynn had to resigned for the intel they wrote about...

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2/19/2017  2:27 PM
Trump supports have morphed into Trump followers...
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2/19/2017  2:28 PM
Oh wait Hilary, obama and podesta is their source
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2/19/2017  2:29 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/19/2017  2:40 PM
gunsnewing wrote:Oh wait Hilary, obama and podesta is their source

So why didn't Trump fire Flynn???..Where did Pence get his information from???..He read it in the NY Times...But you know I don't believe that right..They all knew what Flynn was doing...Flynn went back to talk about the same topic seven?? times..He must have been consulting with someone, no??...TREASON...

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2/19/2017  3:06 PM
Senate Intel Committee tells Trump administration to "preserve records" on Russia...
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2/19/2017  3:15 PM
gunsnewing wrote:New York Times has mastered the art of Fake News with zero sources backing their wild allegations

You haven't answered yet on whether you think Trump blatantly lies, or whether he's deluded and thinks he speaks the truth, or whether you think he always tells the truth. If honesty is so importantly to you, and lying and fake news angers you, why on earth do you then support trump? He lies all the damn time!

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2/19/2017  4:02 PM
Better secure jobs that will survive automation and artificial intelligence.

What's going on in California with all this destructive rain? I thought global warming was responsible for the drought. Dammit last time I listen to DiCaprio's for advice on Global affairs

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2/19/2017  4:12 PM
gunsnewing wrote:Better secure jobs that will survive automation and artificial intelligence.

What's going on in California with all this destructive rain? I thought global warming was responsible for the drought. Dammit last time I listen to DiCaprio's for advice on Global affairs

You clearly have no understanding of even the most basic principles of global warming. So you've never bothered doing the most basic research but feel justified in dismissing it

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2/19/2017  5:34 PM
guns is a trump guy 100%. no point exchanging with him as most of us are anti-trump and most likely will stay that way and he's pro trump and he most likely will never change.

fact is 40 something millions folks voted for him. i don't think all of them are 100% pro trump but guns is not alone here. he believes him as do the many that attend his rallies. their minds won't change until something happens to them personally, in a negative way, b/c of trump (i.e. no health insurance or no job, etc).

we'll see the state of the country in 4 years.

all i know is that the world sees us as a divided country and they will try to capitalize where they can.

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gunsnewing wrote:Better secure jobs that will survive automation and artificial intelligence.

What's going on in California with all this destructive rain? I thought global warming was responsible for the drought. Dammit last time I listen to DiCaprio's for advice on Global affairs

No jobs will survive automation. We need a government who is willing to address this issue honestly instead of pretend they can stop it from happening.

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This is a show stopper. Flynn hand delivered a secret plan to undo the sanctions in writing. It was co-authored by Trump's closest lawyer advisor... and a Russian real estate mobster.

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2/20/2017  2:19 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/20/2017  2:21 AM
After the Prime Minister of the U.K. reaffirmed that the Trump visit will go forward despite a petition of 1.8 million voters against the State visit..Seems like his visit will be downgraded where he won't speak to the Parliament..Good to see he has reestablished the respect abroad that his followers were so concerned about under Obama..
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2/20/2017  11:03 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/20/2017  11:04 AM
Trump lawyer sent Flynn a plan to lift Russia sanctions: Report

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/19/us/politics/donald-trump-ukraine-russia.html?smprod=nytcore-iphone&smid=nytcore-iphone-share&_r=3&referer=https://t.co/LQMK6Jfmft

A week before Michael T. Flynn resigned as national security adviser, a sealed proposal was hand-delivered to his office, outlining a way for President Trump to lift sanctions against Russia.

Mr. Flynn is gone, having been caught lying about his own discussion of sanctions with the Russian ambassador. But the proposal, a peace plan for Ukraine and Russia, remains, along with those pushing it: Michael D. Cohen, the president’s personal lawyer, who delivered the document; Felix H. Sater, a business associate who helped Mr. Trump scout deals in Russia; and a Ukrainian lawmaker trying to rise in a political opposition movement shaped in part by Mr. Trump’s former campaign manager Paul Manafort.

At a time when Mr. Trump’s ties to Russia, and the people connected to him, are under heightened scrutiny — with investigations by American intelligence agencies, the F.B.I. and Congress — some of his associates remain willing and eager to wade into Russia-related efforts behind the scenes.

Mr. Trump has confounded Democrats and Republicans alike with his repeated praise for the Russian president, Vladimir V. Putin, and his desire to forge an American-Russian alliance. While there is nothing illegal about such unofficial efforts, a proposal that seems to tip toward Russian interests may set off alarms.

Donald Trump’s Connections in Ukraine

Andrii V. Artemenkoh
Ukrainian politician with a peace plan for Ukraine and a file alleging that its president is corrupt.


Felix H. Sater
Russian-American businessman with longstanding ties to the Trump Organization.


Michael D. Cohen
Trump’s personal attorney, under scrutiny from F.B.I. over links with Russia.


Paul Manafort
Former Trump campaign

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2/20/2017  11:14 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/20/2017  11:16 AM
TREASON..Reagan, Bush and Nixon did similar things to get into office...Trend???
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2/21/2017  4:48 PM
Robot Tax as thy take over our jobs??

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