fishmike wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Nalod wrote:

holfresh wrote:

fishmike wrote:

holfresh wrote:

fishmike wrote:

holfresh wrote:

fishmike wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Nalod wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

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You all told me I was crazy about Phil and Rambis and the Triangle. Well, the idea that he'd go away from the triangle and Rambis lasted about six games.

Phil has completely undermined his coach six games into the season. This won't end well.

Ok, can we give Rambis some love? Besides, you think Rose and Noah would have agreed to be knick if he was coach?
He wears out his players.
I think Hornacek being a "guard friendly" coach is helping both Rose and Jennings. Horney was not the fastest guard and our two new guys build their games on being athletic.
Rose has mentioned he was "wreckless" in his youthier days and is learning how to play a more controlled game. Jennings is still a bit of a crackhead but he is effective in his role. I have not watched much of him prior to him being a knick.

As for Rambis, knicks are 9-5 with him as defensive dude. A little love.

Well were are giving up 105 points per game the last 14 games which is better than the 109/110 clip we were running...We might be winning because the offense is clicking better..The teams now are not as good as the first 6 games...A few factors involved..I remember the days people were complaining about Woodson's teams giving up 95 points per game...Seems like switching defense is the new avant-garde of the NBA...But something tells me you aren't look for that kind of answer..Looking for more of a feel good moment??

whats your issue dude? You did this last year with KP denying he had "star" talent and ability to take over games "because we havent *SEEN* that from him" (that was your quote). Then you disappeared for months.

Of course there are many factors at play. There always are. Whether or not there is causality is up for discussion, but the fact remains that the Knicks are 9-5 since the "Rambis assignment."

My god! A Knick fan being positive on a Knick board. Thank god we have you to bring us down.

Been jawing to Nalod a couple of threads now..I didn't realize it would offend you..

I didnt realize you were so mired in negativity you hate the Knicks and cant enjoy anything about them or about life

Negativity, that what you think it is??..Hate the Knicks..That what you grab from this??..I'm shocked..So a Knicks fan shouldn't point bad things and give an honest assessment about the team?

I see fans killing Clyde..That's where we are now??

right... kinda like me being "offended" being what you grabbed from me. No my comment to you was meant to be taken exactly how you took it.

No.. I think its great to talk about the team's goods and bads. But something tells me your not looking for that kind of discussion.

So let's me get this straight..You think I'm actually hating, rooting for them to lose games and the evidence is my critical comments about managemtnt and the team?

I chime in, not to speak for Fishmike,

but your trying to be "That guy", the one just too smart to fall for being enthusiastic. Its common.
We have all been "That guy" in our years here. I don't fall for the "starphuch" which is my way.
I like Phil, not that his presence alone changes things. But Im not beating him up for the money (he makes here what he made in LA) or for the Tyson trade which
was not great, but not fatal. Phil changed the decision making process.
To me if he starphuched Dolan, so much the better. At least Dolan had a belief strong enough to listen. When Isiah had him, he failed badly.

I'm not sure about being "that guy" or whatever but as you know I have a big problem with Phil from day one when he put his own interest ahead of the team..He pushed the triangle from day one..If not for fan and media rovolt Rambis would be our coach today running the triangle..So the psychoanalyst stuff aside, I think he could have done a better job if he hired a good coach and let him run his team from day one.

And you can't resist an opportunity to give Phil credit three years later which is why I dig every time you bring it up..But I just be a hater with an agenda, I'm hearing..

Ah yes... right. Here is the agenda. Phil wants to show the world how great the triangle is and doesnt care about anything else, least of all building a winning program. Yes thanks for the refresh. Phil only took the job to prove the triangle's worth. Great example of being 100% sure of yourself when your working with 5% of the available information.

I never said that Phil took the job to prove the worth of the triangle, those are your words..I said Phil took the job for the money, if you were paying attention to most of my post...If reports are to be believed, Phil kept upping the figure so Dolan would go away...Again, my issue was that Phil pushed his triangle at all cost...So is this the definition of an agenda???..OK..

holfresh wrote:

Nalod wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Nalod wrote:

holfresh wrote:

fishmike wrote:

holfresh wrote:

fishmike wrote:

holfresh wrote:

fishmike wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Nalod wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/espnsteinline/status/796056172688068608

You all told me I was crazy about Phil and Rambis and the Triangle. Well, the idea that he'd go away from the triangle and Rambis lasted about six games.

Phil has completely undermined his coach six games into the season. This won't end well.

Ok, can we give Rambis some love? Besides, you think Rose and Noah would have agreed to be knick if he was coach?
He wears out his players.
I think Hornacek being a "guard friendly" coach is helping both Rose and Jennings. Horney was not the fastest guard and our two new guys build their games on being athletic.
Rose has mentioned he was "wreckless" in his youthier days and is learning how to play a more controlled game. Jennings is still a bit of a crackhead but he is effective in his role. I have not watched much of him prior to him being a knick.

As for Rambis, knicks are 9-5 with him as defensive dude. A little love.

Well were are giving up 105 points per game the last 14 games which is better than the 109/110 clip we were running...We might be winning because the offense is clicking better..The teams now are not as good as the first 6 games...A few factors involved..I remember the days people were complaining about Woodson's teams giving up 95 points per game...Seems like switching defense is the new avant-garde of the NBA...But something tells me you aren't look for that kind of answer..Looking for more of a feel good moment??

whats your issue dude? You did this last year with KP denying he had "star" talent and ability to take over games "because we havent *SEEN* that from him" (that was your quote). Then you disappeared for months.

Of course there are many factors at play. There always are. Whether or not there is causality is up for discussion, but the fact remains that the Knicks are 9-5 since the "Rambis assignment."

My god! A Knick fan being positive on a Knick board. Thank god we have you to bring us down.

Been jawing to Nalod a couple of threads now..I didn't realize it would offend you..

I didnt realize you were so mired in negativity you hate the Knicks and cant enjoy anything about them or about life

Negativity, that what you think it is??..Hate the Knicks..That what you grab from this??..I'm shocked..So a Knicks fan shouldn't point bad things and give an honest assessment about the team?

I see fans killing Clyde..That's where we are now??

right... kinda like me being "offended" being what you grabbed from me. No my comment to you was meant to be taken exactly how you took it.

No.. I think its great to talk about the team's goods and bads. But something tells me your not looking for that kind of discussion.

So let's me get this straight..You think I'm actually hating, rooting for them to lose games and the evidence is my critical comments about managemtnt and the team?

I chime in, not to speak for Fishmike,

but your trying to be "That guy", the one just too smart to fall for being enthusiastic. Its common.
We have all been "That guy" in our years here. I don't fall for the "starphuch" which is my way.
I like Phil, not that his presence alone changes things. But Im not beating him up for the money (he makes here what he made in LA) or for the Tyson trade which
was not great, but not fatal. Phil changed the decision making process.
To me if he starphuched Dolan, so much the better. At least Dolan had a belief strong enough to listen. When Isiah had him, he failed badly.

I'm not sure about being "that guy" or whatever but as you know I have a big problem with Phil from day one when he put his own interest ahead of the team..He pushed the triangle from day one..If not for fan and media rovolt Rambis would be our coach today running the triangle..So the psychoanalyst stuff aside, I think he could have done a better job if he hired a good coach and let him run his team from day one.

And you can't resist an opportunity to give Phil credit three years later which is why I dig every time you bring it up..But I just be a hater with an agenda, I'm hearing..

Yes, fan revolt saved us from Rambis. Nice thought.
You had a problem with PHil from day one because it was a starphuch. I get it.
But DOlan professed to be hands off.
Why would Phil, or anyone else deviate from what and who they know to be successful? Triangle has been around for decades. He won' just a few years before he came to ny with at team that ran it. Not ancient by any stretch.
In it for the money? You don't know that and I doubt you can back it up. Your guessing.
If you don't like the pomp and circumstance of his arrival blame fans for the starphuch, not him.
But IM an old knick fan who has read phil's books and made the effort to understand.
Phil is no savior. I was shocked he took the gig as our only asset was Melo and roster was awful.

No, No..I like Starphucks, remember..I liked the Phil hire..I didn't think he would want to hire bad coaches to implement his plan at all cost, remember..I think Imwas saying the same things three years ago..Imlike the Rose trade..I,like Marbury..Starphuck is my friend...You claim to hate the Starphuck but I always remind you Phil was a starphuck..I don't remind you that becuase I hare starcphuck..

So you don't think all the off season griping about a possible Rambis hire had an effect on Phil's decision??..I think it's exactly what happened..

Sorry I didn't fully answer you...

At the time, and I'm sure I posted this plenty of times, I thought Phil would undermine his coach if he insisted on his triangle...I said at the time that the players would not buy in if the coach doesn't implement his own style of play...Three years later, Byron Scott is saying it, guys on TNT NBA show is saying it...So to answer your question on why would he deviate from the triangle..The answer is that he wasn't coaching the team, he was hired to be the GM or Head of Basketball Operations...Hornacek finally has the freedom, not without a team /management/coaching meeting, I have been hoping for since Phil got here and now there is success...

So, was I right or was I right????..No Hol, you are a hater, no you're "that guy"....Funny stuff...

GustavBahler wrote:The defense started to improve right after they had a team meeting led by the players. Rambis is Herb Williams 2.0

And they started practicing more against pick and roll defense as opposed to trying to defend their offense, which is what they were doing at the beginning of the year. Rambis did implement less switching, which was a good thing.

holfresh wrote:

fishmike wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Nalod wrote:

holfresh wrote:

fishmike wrote:

holfresh wrote:

fishmike wrote:

holfresh wrote:

fishmike wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Nalod wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/espnsteinline/status/796056172688068608

You all told me I was crazy about Phil and Rambis and the Triangle. Well, the idea that he'd go away from the triangle and Rambis lasted about six games.

Phil has completely undermined his coach six games into the season. This won't end well.

Ok, can we give Rambis some love? Besides, you think Rose and Noah would have agreed to be knick if he was coach?
He wears out his players.
I think Hornacek being a "guard friendly" coach is helping both Rose and Jennings. Horney was not the fastest guard and our two new guys build their games on being athletic.
Rose has mentioned he was "wreckless" in his youthier days and is learning how to play a more controlled game. Jennings is still a bit of a crackhead but he is effective in his role. I have not watched much of him prior to him being a knick.

As for Rambis, knicks are 9-5 with him as defensive dude. A little love.

Well were are giving up 105 points per game the last 14 games which is better than the 109/110 clip we were running...We might be winning because the offense is clicking better..The teams now are not as good as the first 6 games...A few factors involved..I remember the days people were complaining about Woodson's teams giving up 95 points per game...Seems like switching defense is the new avant-garde of the NBA...But something tells me you aren't look for that kind of answer..Looking for more of a feel good moment??

whats your issue dude? You did this last year with KP denying he had "star" talent and ability to take over games "because we havent *SEEN* that from him" (that was your quote). Then you disappeared for months.

Of course there are many factors at play. There always are. Whether or not there is causality is up for discussion, but the fact remains that the Knicks are 9-5 since the "Rambis assignment."

My god! A Knick fan being positive on a Knick board. Thank god we have you to bring us down.

Been jawing to Nalod a couple of threads now..I didn't realize it would offend you..

I didnt realize you were so mired in negativity you hate the Knicks and cant enjoy anything about them or about life

Negativity, that what you think it is??..Hate the Knicks..That what you grab from this??..I'm shocked..So a Knicks fan shouldn't point bad things and give an honest assessment about the team?

I see fans killing Clyde..That's where we are now??

right... kinda like me being "offended" being what you grabbed from me. No my comment to you was meant to be taken exactly how you took it.

No.. I think its great to talk about the team's goods and bads. But something tells me your not looking for that kind of discussion.

So let's me get this straight..You think I'm actually hating, rooting for them to lose games and the evidence is my critical comments about managemtnt and the team?

I chime in, not to speak for Fishmike,

but your trying to be "That guy", the one just too smart to fall for being enthusiastic. Its common.
We have all been "That guy" in our years here. I don't fall for the "starphuch" which is my way.
I like Phil, not that his presence alone changes things. But Im not beating him up for the money (he makes here what he made in LA) or for the Tyson trade which
was not great, but not fatal. Phil changed the decision making process.
To me if he starphuched Dolan, so much the better. At least Dolan had a belief strong enough to listen. When Isiah had him, he failed badly.

I'm not sure about being "that guy" or whatever but as you know I have a big problem with Phil from day one when he put his own interest ahead of the team..He pushed the triangle from day one..If not for fan and media rovolt Rambis would be our coach today running the triangle..So the psychoanalyst stuff aside, I think he could have done a better job if he hired a good coach and let him run his team from day one.

And you can't resist an opportunity to give Phil credit three years later which is why I dig every time you bring it up..But I just be a hater with an agenda, I'm hearing..

Ah yes... right. Here is the agenda. Phil wants to show the world how great the triangle is and doesnt care about anything else, least of all building a winning program. Yes thanks for the refresh. Phil only took the job to prove the triangle's worth. Great example of being 100% sure of yourself when your working with 5% of the available information.

I never said that Phil took the job to prove the worth of the triangle, those are your words..I said Phil took the job for the money, if you were paying attention to most of my post...If reports are to be believed, Phil kept upping the figure so Dolan would go away...Again, my issue was that Phil pushed his triangle at all cost...So is this the definition of an agenda???..OK..

Tough talk hoops when your blinded by **** that is essentially ancient at this point. Im sure when Phil finishes his contract and can only leave us with a winning team and a franchise player to build around but no titles it just a money grab then also. Whatever. Enjoy the game tonight. Hopefully KP doesnt go off so you can enjoy the win

GustavBahler wrote:The defense started to improve right after they had a team meeting led by the players. Rambis is Herb Williams 2.0

This sounds naive! It takes real work to fix the kind of defensive breakdowns we saw with this team. It wasn't JUST a players meeting! There have been som very real adjustments and that means coaching.

GustavBahler wrote:The defense started to improve right after they had a team meeting led by the players. Rambis is Herb Williams 2.0

I agree. I give Hornacek credit, but not rushing to give Rambis credit.

Nalod just bumped this thread because he likes to follow me around and jump on times he thinks I'm wrong. Knicks give up 106ppg, 22nd in the league! Nalod thinks that's pretty good, couldn't wait to get a dig in.

GustavBahler wrote:

nixluva wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:The defense started to improve right after they had a team meeting led by the players. Rambis is Herb Williams 2.0

This sounds naive! It takes real work to fix the kind of defensive breakdowns we saw with this team. It wasn't JUST a players meeting! There have been som very real adjustments and that means coaching.

He's one of the worst coaches in NBA history, thats a fact. I've seen nothing that Rambis has done since joining the Knicks that looks any different. Exactly what does Rambis have to do for you to sour on him? Its almost cult-like. But that's nothing new, is it?

You do realize that you're talking out your ass!!! You don't know shyte about what Rambis does for this team. What I do know is that when he took over the defense in LA they improved. This team has improved! No they're not the Bad Boy Pistons but they've improved. That doesn't fit your narrative so you talk shyte! STFU!

nixluva wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

nixluva wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:The defense started to improve right after they had a team meeting led by the players. Rambis is Herb Williams 2.0

This sounds naive! It takes real work to fix the kind of defensive breakdowns we saw with this team. It wasn't JUST a players meeting! There have been som very real adjustments and that means coaching.

He's one of the worst coaches in NBA history, thats a fact. I've seen nothing that Rambis has done since joining the Knicks that looks any different. Exactly what does Rambis have to do for you to sour on him? Its almost cult-like. But that's nothing new, is it?

You do realize that you're talking out your ass!!! You don't know shyte about what Rambis does for this team. What I do know is that when he took over the defense in LA they improved. This team has improved! No they're not the Bad Boy Pistons but they've improved. That doesn't fit your narrative so you talk shyte! STFU!

Right. You were the one saying that Fisher was up for the job, said the same thing about Rambis, and Im talking out of my ass? Please. Im a Knicks fan, not a fanboy like you.

nixluva wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

nixluva wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

nixluva wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:The defense started to improve right after they had a team meeting led by the players. Rambis is Herb Williams 2.0

This sounds naive! It takes real work to fix the kind of defensive breakdowns we saw with this team. It wasn't JUST a players meeting! There have been som very real adjustments and that means coaching.

He's one of the worst coaches in NBA history, thats a fact. I've seen nothing that Rambis has done since joining the Knicks that looks any different. Exactly what does Rambis have to do for you to sour on him? Its almost cult-like. But that's nothing new, is it?

You do realize that you're talking out your ass!!! You don't know shyte about what Rambis does for this team. What I do know is that when he took over the defense in LA they improved. This team has improved! No they're not the Bad Boy Pistons but they've improved. That doesn't fit your narrative so you talk shyte! STFU!

Right. You were the one saying that Fisher was up for the job, said the same thing about Rambis, and Im talking out of my ass? Please. Im a Knicks fan, not a fanboy like you.

That's right bring up some random point about Fisher and Rambis. How does any of that make your point more valid? The Knicks are not a great defensive team but they can and do play defense very well for stretches. They merely lack consistency, but they have gotten better defensively. You don't really have a point here but rather just dumb ass bias towards Rambis. Like I said, STFU!!!

You call me naive while conveniently forgetting that you were Fisher's biggest defender on this board, then you became Rambis's biggest defender. You have no business calling out anyone on this board for being naive, you are the definition of it. Try actually getting it right for a change before telling people to shut up, you child.