BRIGGS wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Let me write this basic answer

If it wasn't for millions of American soldiers who died. As in gave their live in the cause of providing a country full of freedoms, there would be no J Noah's available yo be direspectful . But hey fck them they're dead and were here. So all of these young kids who give their lives to train and maybe their own life to protect Noah and his kids. Yeah let's get rid of the military and the flag. Let's listen to quiet riot in schools and fck we don't need the police either. We can self police ourselves

That applies to some of our country's wars. Much of the time now our military is a Department of Offense (as Jill Stein put it), not Defense.

Call it whatever you want Bonn if it wasn't here you wouldn't be here

Same thing with doctors, police, etc. As a nation, we're all interdependent. Do I have to go to dinners for everyone?

If you are a public figure who makes incredible earnings you should be first in line to do the minimum to support the countries military. I'm not sure Noah would be as happy in a concentration camp somewhere

This is out of order BRIGGS. People supporting their military were responsible for concentration camps in the first place. What a ****ty dramatic escalation of where grown men decide to eat dinner.

Wow are you guys naive. Without the military you would not have the life you do. Case closed

The point is not about having it as defense, but when its abused.
The idiocy of World War one mostly about insolvent monarchies and its inability to quell civil unrest. This continued with the Versailles treaty with created the urgency of the Socialist national movement that was the genesis of "Nazism". Why did Japan bomb pearl harbor? Because they were friends with Germany? Jealous of American freedoms? Or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Export_Control_Act

Until then we had been selling them oil, scrap and airplane parts. Japan thought it had a divine right to unify Asia under its rule. A bit like our "Manifest Destiny?"
It was what it but we can look back and at least question it, understand our history and perhaps strive to do better.
To ignore our past is naive.

BRIGGS wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Let me write this basic answer

If it wasn't for millions of American soldiers who died. As in gave their live in the cause of providing a country full of freedoms, there would be no J Noah's available yo be direspectful . But hey fck them they're dead and were here. So all of these young kids who give their lives to train and maybe their own life to protect Noah and his kids. Yeah let's get rid of the military and the flag. Let's listen to quiet riot in schools and fck we don't need the police either. We can self police ourselves

That applies to some of our country's wars. Much of the time now our military is a Department of Offense (as Jill Stein put it), not Defense.

Call it whatever you want Bonn if it wasn't here you wouldn't be here

Same thing with doctors, police, etc. As a nation, we're all interdependent. Do I have to go to dinners for everyone?

If you are a public figure who makes incredible earnings you should be first in line to do the minimum to support the countries military. I'm not sure Noah would be as happy in a concentration camp somewhere

This is out of order BRIGGS. People supporting their military were responsible for concentration camps in the first place. What a ****ty dramatic escalation of where grown men decide to eat dinner.

Wow are you guys naive. Without the military you would not have the life you do. Case closed

Indeed true.

We also probably would not have the life we do if we didn't annex one of the world's largest, most abundantly rich, most naturally defendable land masses by committing genocide against the civilizations that already inhabited it.

We probably would not have the life with do if we didn't build our pre-industrial economy on the backs of slave labor.

We might not have life we all do if we were not the only civilization in the history of humankind to use a nuclear weapon on another... twice.

Your 'point' has no meaning. The idea that a person can't object to specific applications of our standing military is intellectually barren.

BRIGGS wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Let me write this basic answer

If it wasn't for millions of American soldiers who died. As in gave their live in the cause of providing a country full of freedoms, there would be no J Noah's available yo be direspectful . But hey fck them they're dead and were here. So all of these young kids who give their lives to train and maybe their own life to protect Noah and his kids. Yeah let's get rid of the military and the flag. Let's listen to quiet riot in schools and fck we don't need the police either. We can self police ourselves

That applies to some of our country's wars. Much of the time now our military is a Department of Offense (as Jill Stein put it), not Defense.

Call it whatever you want Bonn if it wasn't here you wouldn't be here

Same thing with doctors, police, etc. As a nation, we're all interdependent. Do I have to go to dinners for everyone?

If you are a public figure who makes incredible earnings you should be first in line to do the minimum to support the countries military. I'm not sure Noah would be as happy in a concentration camp somewhere

Somewhere like the USA when Roosevelt uprooted thousands and thousands of Japanese Americans after Pearl. Harbor?

Knickoftime wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Let me write this basic answer

If it wasn't for millions of American soldiers who died. As in gave their live in the cause of providing a country full of freedoms, there would be no J Noah's available yo be direspectful . But hey fck them they're dead and were here. So all of these young kids who give their lives to train and maybe their own life to protect Noah and his kids. Yeah let's get rid of the military and the flag. Let's listen to quiet riot in schools and fck we don't need the police either. We can self police ourselves

That applies to some of our country's wars. Much of the time now our military is a Department of Offense (as Jill Stein put it), not Defense.

Call it whatever you want Bonn if it wasn't here you wouldn't be here

Same thing with doctors, police, etc. As a nation, we're all interdependent. Do I have to go to dinners for everyone?

If you are a public figure who makes incredible earnings you should be first in line to do the minimum to support the countries military. I'm not sure Noah would be as happy in a concentration camp somewhere

This is out of order BRIGGS. People supporting their military were responsible for concentration camps in the first place. What a ****ty dramatic escalation of where grown men decide to eat dinner.

Wow are you guys naive. Without the military you would not have the life you do. Case closed

Indeed true.

We also probably would not have the life we do if we didn't annex one of the world's largest, most abundantly rich, most naturally defendable land masses by committing genocide against the civilizations that already inhabited it.

We probably would not have the life with do if we didn't build our pre-industrial economy on the backs of slave labor.

We might not have life we all do if we were not the only civilization in the history of humankind to use a nuclear weapon on another... twice.

Your 'point' has no meaning. The idea that a person can't object to specific applications of our standing military is intellectually barren.

Intellectually barren? Good call man, I may have to use that one :)

Bonn1997 wrote:For the record, here is exactly what he said.

“I have a lot of respect for the kids here fighting. But it’s hard for me to understand why we go to war and why kids have to kill kids all around the world. I have mixed feelings about being here. I’m very proud of this country. I love America. I don’t understand kids killing kids around the world.

I’m not a very patriotic person, to be honest,” Noah said. “I don’t understand the whole flags, supporting flags. I’m more into supporting people.”

I have no issue with this whatsoever. He wasn't being disrespectful or doing it to take a stand or make a point. He simply opted out and did not want to be involved, and did not make an issue out of it. I don't like when athletes do things that they know will be a major distraction to their teams, and i don't believe he did anything of that sort.

Bonn1997 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:He doesn't believe in patriotism. That's nice. He believes in being a citizen here and making 72 million US dollars though. Glad he still believes in legal tender.

He doesn't believe in kids killing kids. That's nice too. I'm sure to a man/woman, the cadets and the officer he dissed don't believe in killing kids either. They just happen to believe in defending the country he just happens to be living in and making a seriously lucrative living playing basketball.

Was anyone asking him to pledge and oath, sing the anthem or scream amen to the talk? Nope.

Another wealthy, entitled athlete who thinks any arena is the proper arena to garner attention for their own personal convictions. Why not attend the dinner and talk to the officer giving the talk and the cadets afterwards? Nope, better to create some much needed drama/attention over something that didn't really need to happen.

MSG trying to do damage control by posting pics of cadets talking with Noah on the court.

It's an awkward position the Knicks put their players in. This dinner is not part of the players' contractual obligations. Arranging a dinner related to a politically charged issue (our international wars) is questionable. The team could have just made a charitable donation to support the troops.

It was a dinner arranged by the hosts of the training camp. And what's so awkward about it? Do you seriously think it wouldn't blow up if it WAS made a contractual obligation?

Be serious.

martin wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:He doesn't believe in patriotism. That's nice. He believes in being a citizen here and making 72 million US dollars though. Glad he still believes in legal tender.

He doesn't believe in kids killing kids. That's nice too. I'm sure to a man/woman, the cadets and the officer he dissed don't believe in killing kids either. They just happen to believe in defending the country he just happens to be living in and making a seriously lucrative living playing basketball.

Was anyone asking him to pledge and oath, sing the anthem or scream amen to the talk? Nope.

Another wealthy, entitled athlete who thinks any arena is the proper arena to garner attention for their own personal convictions. Why not attend the dinner and talk to the officer giving the talk and the cadets afterwards? Nope, better to create some much needed drama/attention over something that didn't really need to happen.

MSG trying to do damage control by posting pics of cadets talking with Noah on the court.

It's an awkward position the Knicks put their players in. This dinner is not part of the players' contractual obligations. Arranging a dinner related to a politically charged issue (our international wars) is questionable. The team could have just made a charitable donation to support the troops.

I understand what Noah is getting at. I actually embrace his POV. I just think his method for objecting is flawed. Soldiers simply follow orders. They are not the disease, they are the symptom. He should be doing this to people who actually make the decisions to send men and women to kill and die abroad. And sadly, one of the most egregious figures in recent history of this rocks a "D" next to his name yet has a Noble Peace Prize.

what's the doing this part? he quietly skipped a dinner function. he didn't make a thing about it, the NY Post did.

Yeah, everyone knows 72million dollar NBA athletes can just quietly do anything. We're not talking Chris Smith here. Noah made it a thing by doing it. I guess the NY Post made West Point determine it was inappropriate, too?

Bonn1997 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Let me write this basic answer

If it wasn't for millions of American soldiers who died. As in gave their live in the cause of providing a country full of freedoms, there would be no J Noah's available yo be direspectful . But hey fck them they're dead and were here. So all of these young kids who give their lives to train and maybe their own life to protect Noah and his kids. Yeah let's get rid of the military and the flag. Let's listen to quiet riot in schools and fck we don't need the police either. We can self police ourselves

That applies to some of our country's wars. Much of the time now our military is a Department of Offense (as Jill Stein put it), not Defense.

True. There seems to be a 'Hollywood type" ignorance that seems to think you just go into another country, kick ass, wave the flag and live happily ever after. The fact is, wars have everlasting repercussions. Which we will all have to deal with. Specially our young men and women, who are coming home with permanent physical and mental damage. And no, it was not defending our country but rather obtaining control of more territory and oil. But enough about this, how bout them Knicks!

jrodmc wrote:

martin wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:He doesn't believe in patriotism. That's nice. He believes in being a citizen here and making 72 million US dollars though. Glad he still believes in legal tender.

He doesn't believe in kids killing kids. That's nice too. I'm sure to a man/woman, the cadets and the officer he dissed don't believe in killing kids either. They just happen to believe in defending the country he just happens to be living in and making a seriously lucrative living playing basketball.

Was anyone asking him to pledge and oath, sing the anthem or scream amen to the talk? Nope.

Another wealthy, entitled athlete who thinks any arena is the proper arena to garner attention for their own personal convictions. Why not attend the dinner and talk to the officer giving the talk and the cadets afterwards? Nope, better to create some much needed drama/attention over something that didn't really need to happen.

MSG trying to do damage control by posting pics of cadets talking with Noah on the court.

It's an awkward position the Knicks put their players in. This dinner is not part of the players' contractual obligations. Arranging a dinner related to a politically charged issue (our international wars) is questionable. The team could have just made a charitable donation to support the troops.

I understand what Noah is getting at. I actually embrace his POV. I just think his method for objecting is flawed. Soldiers simply follow orders. They are not the disease, they are the symptom. He should be doing this to people who actually make the decisions to send men and women to kill and die abroad. And sadly, one of the most egregious figures in recent history of this rocks a "D" next to his name yet has a Noble Peace Prize.

what's the doing this part? he quietly skipped a dinner function. he didn't make a thing about it, the NY Post did.

Yeah, everyone knows 72million dollar NBA athletes can just quietly do anything. We're not talking Chris Smith here. Noah made it a thing by doing it. I guess the NY Post made West Point determine it was inappropriate, too?

No one is worse off if they didn't know Noah skipped. No one, so no he did not make it a thing. And the Post did make it a thing by asking West Point to respond and also making this more than it actually is.

Knickoftime wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Let me write this basic answer

If it wasn't for millions of American soldiers who died. As in gave their live in the cause of providing a country full of freedoms, there would be no J Noah's available yo be direspectful . But hey fck them they're dead and were here. So all of these young kids who give their lives to train and maybe their own life to protect Noah and his kids. Yeah let's get rid of the military and the flag. Let's listen to quiet riot in schools and fck we don't need the police either. We can self police ourselves

That applies to some of our country's wars. Much of the time now our military is a Department of Offense (as Jill Stein put it), not Defense.

Call it whatever you want Bonn if it wasn't here you wouldn't be here

Same thing with doctors, police, etc. As a nation, we're all interdependent. Do I have to go to dinners for everyone?

If you are a public figure who makes incredible earnings you should be first in line to do the minimum to support the countries military. I'm not sure Noah would be as happy in a concentration camp somewhere

This is out of order BRIGGS. People supporting their military were responsible for concentration camps in the first place. What a ****ty dramatic escalation of where grown men decide to eat dinner.

Wow are you guys naive. Without the military you would not have the life you do. Case closed

Indeed true.

We also probably would not have the life we do if we didn't annex one of the world's largest, most abundantly rich, most naturally defendable land masses by committing genocide against the civilizations that already inhabited it.

We probably would not have the life with do if we didn't build our pre-industrial economy on the backs of slave labor.

We might not have life we all do if we were not the only civilization in the history of humankind to use a nuclear weapon on another... twice.

Your 'point' has no meaning. The idea that a person can't object to specific applications of our standing military is intellectually barren.

Your 'counterpoints' also are meaningless.

The civilizations that already inhabited it were slightly busy committing atrocious acts against each other, as well as anyone else that happened along, while fighting alongside the French or English. Missed those days in history class, did you? Ever see a Franciscan monk without any weapons being skinned alive?

All countries had slaves (including the ones we imported slaves from) maybe the whole world should just disband it's governments and militaries. Also, I forget why the North won the Civil War. Was it so we could all benefit from slave labor?

Had lots of family dying in the Pacific theatre during WWII, did you? Ever read anything about what the Japanese were planning towards the end of that war? Had a great alternative plan that would have ended it all sooner?

No one's saying Noah can't object until his man bun falls off. He could have objected any one of a million other ways. More power to his free speech.

Being disrespectful or choosing an inappropriate way to object is the point. Not his rights as an American citizen.

Knicks can't suit up quick enough, sweet bouncing baby Jesus.