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mreinman
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9/26/2016 4:29 PM
crzymdups wrote:CrushAlot wrote:mreinman wrote:In regards to the lawyer/Doe relationship the roommate has given testimony that they have gotten high together in front of her on at least 20 occasions, that Doe gets favors from the lawyer and that the lawyer seems to be fond of Doe. Nothing sexual but the actions certainly seem to be inappropriate. This is a nasty case. The lawyers for both sides do not appear to like or respect each other. You don't think the biggest ruling was that Doe's identity will be revealed? Also, the 'For Now' ruling about her sexual past seems to indicate that this could change.CrushAlot wrote:I read somewhere that Doe and her lawyers are pursuing a criminal case to try to pressure the judge not to release her identity. The pretrial motions that were ruled on on 9/23 didn't go that well for Doe. Her roommate will be allowed to testify for Rose and her identity will be revealed. The judge did rule that Rose could not bring Doe's social relationship with one of her attorneys into evidence. I posted it in the link to the motions in the off topic thread but I don't know how many people go there to read the thread. Again, the White Bronco Site is the closest thing to just presenting legal documents on the case that is out there. do any of his actions seem fishy to you during their relationship or on that night? Have your read through the court documents so that you fully understand all claims and the documentation? Your take is probably how most knicks fans feel. Its much more split on non sports/non-knick sites and of course most women are probably all on the other side of the fence. The psychology of how everybody reacts to this is incredible. Please please read this article (he is a knicks fan): https://theringer.com/derrick-rose-rape-case-and-nba-fandom-bfd92e771d61#.798oklr2d so here is what phil is thinking ....
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crzymdups
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9/26/2016 4:37 PM
mreinman wrote:crzymdups wrote:CrushAlot wrote:mreinman wrote:In regards to the lawyer/Doe relationship the roommate has given testimony that they have gotten high together in front of her on at least 20 occasions, that Doe gets favors from the lawyer and that the lawyer seems to be fond of Doe. Nothing sexual but the actions certainly seem to be inappropriate. This is a nasty case. The lawyers for both sides do not appear to like or respect each other. You don't think the biggest ruling was that Doe's identity will be revealed? Also, the 'For Now' ruling about her sexual past seems to indicate that this could change.CrushAlot wrote:I read somewhere that Doe and her lawyers are pursuing a criminal case to try to pressure the judge not to release her identity. The pretrial motions that were ruled on on 9/23 didn't go that well for Doe. Her roommate will be allowed to testify for Rose and her identity will be revealed. The judge did rule that Rose could not bring Doe's social relationship with one of her attorneys into evidence. I posted it in the link to the motions in the off topic thread but I don't know how many people go there to read the thread. Again, the White Bronco Site is the closest thing to just presenting legal documents on the case that is out there. I am very familiar with Jason's work. And I read the court documents. But I am not in the court room and neither are you. And obviously no one else was there that night. I hope justice is served... but I am just saying that my gut reaction is that there is fishy stuff in this case. We'll see how it plays out. ¿ △ ?
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mreinman
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9/26/2016 4:38 PM
newyorknewyork wrote:mreinman wrote:nixluva wrote:mreinman wrote:nixluva wrote:mreinman wrote:nixluva wrote:mreinman wrote:Looks like the UK faithful mostly don't believe her and say that she looks bad. I never hated Rose, I did not like the trade or his advanced stats. I never knew or was bothered by anything that he did personally. By going after him or condemning him for this just because I did not care for the trade would be pretty sick. Who would put stupid sports ahead of something this serious? Did you read all the data before you came to those 2 things being the only ones that bothered you on both sides? She came after for him for money because she lost her job and she needed money desperately. Maybe it was a money grab or maybe she thought that he would take care of her and he didn't? There is so much to consider before coming to such an easy conclusion. We should all do much better due diligence before coming to uninformed conclusions. The fact that Rose is not settling somehow is being viewed by some here as an indication of innocence. That premise makes zero sense to me. There are so many reasons for him to not settle this case yet nobody seems to be considering all of them. so here is what phil is thinking ....
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crzymdups
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9/26/2016 4:40 PM
newyorknewyork wrote:mreinman wrote:nixluva wrote:mreinman wrote:nixluva wrote:mreinman wrote:nixluva wrote:mreinman wrote:Looks like the UK faithful mostly don't believe her and say that she looks bad. I agree with most of this post. ¿ △ ?
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HofstraBBall
Posts: 27152 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 11/21/2015 Member: #6192 |
9/26/2016 4:42 PM
mreinman wrote:nixluva wrote:mreinman wrote:nixluva wrote:mreinman wrote:Looks like the UK faithful mostly don't believe her and say that she looks bad. In your many world travels, have you ever met a money grubbing slut? Because they do exist. Not that it has been proven that this girl is one but stop being so naive to think they don't exist. Btw, There is a big difference in not agreeing with ones private lifestyle and saying that person is a rapist. You can't seem to see the difference and quick to do the latter. And again, we live in a country where you are innocent until proven guilty. Which is a good thing, as many years ago, people would be hanging the innocent based on personal beliefs and public opinion. 'Knicks focus should be on players that have grown up playing soccer or cricket' - Triplethreat 8/28/2020
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CrushAlot
Posts: 59764 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 7/25/2003 Member: #452 USA |
9/26/2016 4:53 PM
crzymdups wrote:This. I know he is a knick fan but he also has personal biases and is not going just on evidence and court documents (i.e. going with Doe's account from her press release versus going with documents on file in the case) which may be why her name is now going to be made public. Also, this article is from right after Doe went to the media ten days ago. More court documents and rulings are available and the judge has since ruled that her identity should be revealed. They go back to court on 9/29. It will be interesting to see what other motions are ruled on before the trial. I don't think Rose is settling this out of court. They have tried twice. I have read and heard some speculation that Doe's revealing her identity could push her towards seeking a settlement but I don't think Rose wants to give her anything.mreinman wrote:crzymdups wrote:CrushAlot wrote:mreinman wrote:In regards to the lawyer/Doe relationship the roommate has given testimony that they have gotten high together in front of her on at least 20 occasions, that Doe gets favors from the lawyer and that the lawyer seems to be fond of Doe. Nothing sexual but the actions certainly seem to be inappropriate. This is a nasty case. The lawyers for both sides do not appear to like or respect each other. You don't think the biggest ruling was that Doe's identity will be revealed? Also, the 'For Now' ruling about her sexual past seems to indicate that this could change.CrushAlot wrote:I read somewhere that Doe and her lawyers are pursuing a criminal case to try to pressure the judge not to release her identity. The pretrial motions that were ruled on on 9/23 didn't go that well for Doe. Her roommate will be allowed to testify for Rose and her identity will be revealed. The judge did rule that Rose could not bring Doe's social relationship with one of her attorneys into evidence. I posted it in the link to the motions in the off topic thread but I don't know how many people go there to read the thread. Again, the White Bronco Site is the closest thing to just presenting legal documents on the case that is out there. I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18
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mreinman
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9/26/2016 4:54 PM
HofstraBBall wrote:mreinman wrote:nixluva wrote:mreinman wrote:nixluva wrote:mreinman wrote:Looks like the UK faithful mostly don't believe her and say that she looks bad. Yes ... I am sure that there are "money grubbing sluts". Most are not but most who file civil rape charges are accused of this. I never said that he raped her. I said that what he did was disgusting and he might at best being in a dark grey area of the law in regards to to what is consent (which he did not have any idea about) and what/who is considered clear minded enough to consent. Many who are quick to defend Rose as knicks fans are quick to put words in my mouth they I never said or wrote. Also, he may end up not being liable, however, going over to her house with your dudes to do your ex girl when she is slammed, while she again again refused this request is at best despicable/disgusting behavior. Dunno ... maybe it just that she is a big time slut and she either wanted this finally or she gave of that ... you know ... vibe. Or perhaps Rose is a gang raping man slut with no respect for women?? Who knows ... right? All possible scenarios. so here is what phil is thinking ....
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newyorknewyork
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9/26/2016 5:01 PM
mreinman wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:mreinman wrote:nixluva wrote:mreinman wrote:nixluva wrote:mreinman wrote:nixluva wrote:mreinman wrote:Looks like the UK faithful mostly don't believe her and say that she looks bad. I haven't come to a conclusion on anything. I will let the case play out for that. All I was saying is these things seem favorable to Rose imo. I'm not looking to protect him or claim his innocence. If it came out that Rose potentially raped or gang raped a woman and he settled already then I wouldn't view it favorably for him truthfully even if he was innocent. Just like Ben Rothlesberger of the Steelers. When Kobe caught his rape charge and it was said that the woman had intercourse with her boyfriend afterwards the same day or the next day or something like that. I viewed that favorably for Kobe. https://vote.nba.com/en Vote for your Knicks.
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mreinman
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9/26/2016 5:04 PM
CrushAlot wrote:crzymdups wrote:This. I know he is a knick fan but he also has personal biases and is not going just on evidence and court documents (i.e. going with Doe's account from her press release versus going with documents on file in the case) which may be why her name is now going to be made public. Also, this article is from right after Doe went to the media ten days ago. More court documents and rulings are available and the judge has since ruled that her identity should be revealed. They go back to court on 9/29. It will be interesting to see what other motions are ruled on before the trial. I don't think Rose is settling this out of court. They have tried twice. I have read and heard some speculation that Doe's revealing her identity could push her towards seeking a settlement but I don't think Rose wants to give her anything.mreinman wrote:crzymdups wrote:CrushAlot wrote:mreinman wrote:In regards to the lawyer/Doe relationship the roommate has given testimony that they have gotten high together in front of her on at least 20 occasions, that Doe gets favors from the lawyer and that the lawyer seems to be fond of Doe. Nothing sexual but the actions certainly seem to be inappropriate. This is a nasty case. The lawyers for both sides do not appear to like or respect each other. You don't think the biggest ruling was that Doe's identity will be revealed? Also, the 'For Now' ruling about her sexual past seems to indicate that this could change.CrushAlot wrote:I read somewhere that Doe and her lawyers are pursuing a criminal case to try to pressure the judge not to release her identity. The pretrial motions that were ruled on on 9/23 didn't go that well for Doe. Her roommate will be allowed to testify for Rose and her identity will be revealed. The judge did rule that Rose could not bring Doe's social relationship with one of her attorneys into evidence. I posted it in the link to the motions in the off topic thread but I don't know how many people go there to read the thread. Again, the White Bronco Site is the closest thing to just presenting legal documents on the case that is out there. I have no bias as a knick fan in this, that psyche are labeled on the ones that want to believe that everything is perfect (as Jason wrote). I just get really annoyed that because of the silly knicks, the posters on this site are so much more slanted against here than in the real world. And, I don't think that it is done intentionally and that people don't care about RAPE. I think its just a sad psychological state of knicks fans that without even realizing it, have already chosen the side of our own PG cause he is ours. Like a relative. Even on P&T under Seths article they much much more balanced and I think most people believe that he is a sleazball regardless of if she is a money grubbing slut or not. As Jason states, lets choose to ignore this and just discuss basketball, BUT WE/HE can't. This is here and it is GONNA BE A DISTRACTION because a girl is alleging a gang rape took place and that cannot and should not be ignored. so here is what phil is thinking ....
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mreinman
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9/26/2016 5:15 PM
newyorknewyork wrote:mreinman wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:mreinman wrote:nixluva wrote:mreinman wrote:nixluva wrote:mreinman wrote:nixluva wrote:mreinman wrote:Looks like the UK faithful mostly don't believe her and say that she looks bad. If he settles or not has no bearing on my conclusion of whether he is guilty or not. It has no bearing. Also, I don't view that for Kobe because after doing lots of reading, one can't judge the psyche of a rape victim. They are a complete mess and of course it does not help that they have very little chance of getting anywhere with their claim. And the ones who make false claims certainly do not help the real victims. Do you think that her saying no to group sex ad nauseum and then on the night in question, he goes over to her house with his boys while she is slammed, can't get in or reach her for about 45 minutes while standing outside, they somehow get in and do the drunk girl together? Something that is quite documented that she would not do? Something that may have caused her to lose derrick rose over her repeated denials of this request? To me, what he did was beyond sick however, it comes down to did she and was she competent enough to (finally) give in. All the slut shaming or her screwing her sleazy lawyer or her being loose with other NBA players or posting facebook nudies ... all just slut shaming a defense that certainly works but what happened that we know smells FISHY to me even if most of the UKers are ok with that. so here is what phil is thinking ....
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CrushAlot
Posts: 59764 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 7/25/2003 Member: #452 USA |
9/26/2016 5:31 PM
mreinman wrote:I don't know who you think is ignoring this. I am going to check as soon as I get home from work on 9/29 to see what rulings were made in the next pretrial hearing. There are some very disturbing things that Rose has said and admitted to but that does not constitute guilt. There are some very disturbing things out there about his accuser. The whole thing isn't pretty but the court will decide the outcome of this.CrushAlot wrote:crzymdups wrote:This. I know he is a knick fan but he also has personal biases and is not going just on evidence and court documents (i.e. going with Doe's account from her press release versus going with documents on file in the case) which may be why her name is now going to be made public. Also, this article is from right after Doe went to the media ten days ago. More court documents and rulings are available and the judge has since ruled that her identity should be revealed. They go back to court on 9/29. It will be interesting to see what other motions are ruled on before the trial. I don't think Rose is settling this out of court. They have tried twice. I have read and heard some speculation that Doe's revealing her identity could push her towards seeking a settlement but I don't think Rose wants to give her anything.mreinman wrote:crzymdups wrote:CrushAlot wrote:mreinman wrote:In regards to the lawyer/Doe relationship the roommate has given testimony that they have gotten high together in front of her on at least 20 occasions, that Doe gets favors from the lawyer and that the lawyer seems to be fond of Doe. Nothing sexual but the actions certainly seem to be inappropriate. This is a nasty case. The lawyers for both sides do not appear to like or respect each other. You don't think the biggest ruling was that Doe's identity will be revealed? Also, the 'For Now' ruling about her sexual past seems to indicate that this could change.CrushAlot wrote:I read somewhere that Doe and her lawyers are pursuing a criminal case to try to pressure the judge not to release her identity. The pretrial motions that were ruled on on 9/23 didn't go that well for Doe. Her roommate will be allowed to testify for Rose and her identity will be revealed. The judge did rule that Rose could not bring Doe's social relationship with one of her attorneys into evidence. I posted it in the link to the motions in the off topic thread but I don't know how many people go there to read the thread. Again, the White Bronco Site is the closest thing to just presenting legal documents on the case that is out there. I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18
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mreinman
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9/26/2016 5:49 PM
CrushAlot wrote:mreinman wrote:I don't know who you think is ignoring this. I am going to check as soon as I get home from work on 9/29 to see what rulings were made in the next pretrial hearing. There are some very disturbing things that Rose has said and admitted to but that does not constitute guilt. There are some very disturbing things out there about his accuser. The whole thing isn't pretty but the court will decide the outcome of this.CrushAlot wrote:crzymdups wrote:This. I know he is a knick fan but he also has personal biases and is not going just on evidence and court documents (i.e. going with Doe's account from her press release versus going with documents on file in the case) which may be why her name is now going to be made public. Also, this article is from right after Doe went to the media ten days ago. More court documents and rulings are available and the judge has since ruled that her identity should be revealed. They go back to court on 9/29. It will be interesting to see what other motions are ruled on before the trial. I don't think Rose is settling this out of court. They have tried twice. I have read and heard some speculation that Doe's revealing her identity could push her towards seeking a settlement but I don't think Rose wants to give her anything.mreinman wrote:crzymdups wrote:CrushAlot wrote:mreinman wrote:In regards to the lawyer/Doe relationship the roommate has given testimony that they have gotten high together in front of her on at least 20 occasions, that Doe gets favors from the lawyer and that the lawyer seems to be fond of Doe. Nothing sexual but the actions certainly seem to be inappropriate. This is a nasty case. The lawyers for both sides do not appear to like or respect each other. You don't think the biggest ruling was that Doe's identity will be revealed? Also, the 'For Now' ruling about her sexual past seems to indicate that this could change.CrushAlot wrote:I read somewhere that Doe and her lawyers are pursuing a criminal case to try to pressure the judge not to release her identity. The pretrial motions that were ruled on on 9/23 didn't go that well for Doe. Her roommate will be allowed to testify for Rose and her identity will be revealed. The judge did rule that Rose could not bring Doe's social relationship with one of her attorneys into evidence. I posted it in the link to the motions in the off topic thread but I don't know how many people go there to read the thread. Again, the White Bronco Site is the closest thing to just presenting legal documents on the case that is out there. I know that you are following these closely as well, and as you said, nobody really reads anything in off topic so its a good place to send something if you want it to go dormant so here is what phil is thinking ....
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HofstraBBall
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9/26/2016 6:52 PM
mreinman wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:mreinman wrote:nixluva wrote:mreinman wrote:nixluva wrote:mreinman wrote:Looks like the UK faithful mostly don't believe her and say that she looks bad. True that most women that brimg charges of rape are often accused of being too provocative or loose. But we have to treat every case separately. And in this case, her texts are not helping. We also have to keep in mind, most false accusations are money driven. And for the record, I am not defending his actions but rather his right to his day in court and his innocence of her charges until proven guilty. 'Knicks focus should be on players that have grown up playing soccer or cricket' - Triplethreat 8/28/2020
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mreinman
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9/27/2016 1:28 AM
HofstraBBall wrote:mreinman wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:mreinman wrote:nixluva wrote:mreinman wrote:nixluva wrote:mreinman wrote:Looks like the UK faithful mostly don't believe her and say that she looks bad. Innocent of what? Even if he is found not guilty, how about getting a slammed drunk girl to consent to having sex with you and your boys while a this same girl when clear headed, refused again and again and again to have 3 guys bang her? How come you never mention this? Does it not bother you are cause you to question him and/or his actions? so here is what phil is thinking ....
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