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mreinman
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9/26/2016 3:23 PM
nixluva wrote:mreinman wrote:nixluva wrote:mreinman wrote:Looks like the UK faithful mostly don't believe her and say that she looks bad. you seem to continuously try to poke holes in her story. That is not a good look and I don't see you doing that with him. Not sure that you even see your own bias. I don't know if it was full fledged gang rape because I have no idea how drunk she was and if it was too drunk to consent. I have read s lot about this grey area and it is very complicated. No matter what, I think that what he did that we do know as fact is in itself abominable. Slut shaming her will not help that. Every one of these accusers get slut shamed which is probable why they are so underreported. Please read this excellent article: https://theringer.com/derrick-rose-rape-case-and-nba-fandom-bfd92e771d61#.798oklr2d This part really explains a lot about what is going on here on this board: Sports are an escape from life’s quotidian problems, so it’s not surprising that fans react with vexation when those problems — representing the real world — intrude. We treat athletes as characters in a story. Market forces turn those characters into brands. When those athletes do something delightful and on-brand — J.R. Smith strutting around shirtless, for example — we’re only too eager to highlight it. When they do something outside of that box, we become annoyed — stick to sports! If they do something bad, more often than not we simply ignore it. so here is what phil is thinking ....
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mreinman
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9/26/2016 3:39 PM
newyorknewyork wrote:The story seems all off to me. First she wanted to get picked up for work. Then she was passed out when they got there because she may have been drunk already. Then they entered without her permission and slipped something in her drink even though she was already passed out? I suggest that you read the full details to get a better understanding of her story. https://thinkprogress.org/derrick-rose-rape-case-2182c16b55e2#.us3qvzxzt so here is what phil is thinking ....
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nixluva
Posts: 56258 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/5/2004 Member: #758 USA |
9/26/2016 3:44 PM
mreinman wrote:nixluva wrote:mreinman wrote:nixluva wrote:mreinman wrote:Looks like the UK faithful mostly don't believe her and say that she looks bad. I'm not biased towards Rose. In fact I've stated over and over again how I feel about the Charges. What I haven't done is made up my mind as if I know exactly what happened or what parts of both sides stories are true or not. They will eventually either settle or go to trial. More information will come out and even then we may still not know the truth. You are the one who seems to have made up your mind. |
mreinman
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9/26/2016 3:46 PM
crzymdups wrote:Nalod wrote:Seems like Rose does not yield to the threats by lawyers to use public disclosure(s) as leverage to settle. He may actually believe that because: 1) its true so here is what phil is thinking ....
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CrushAlot
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9/26/2016 3:47 PM
I read somewhere that Doe and her lawyers are pursuing a criminal case to try to pressure the judge not to release her identity. The pretrial motions that were ruled on on 9/23 didn't go that well for Doe. Her roommate will be allowed to testify for Rose and her identity will be revealed. The judge did rule that Rose could not bring Doe's social relationship with one of her attorneys into evidence. I posted it in the link to the motions in the off topic thread but I don't know how many people go there to read the thread. Again, the White Bronco Site is the closest thing to just presenting legal documents on the case that is out there.
http://thewhitebronco.com/2016/09/derrick-rose-lawsuit-update-friday-september-23-2016/ I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18
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mreinman
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9/26/2016 3:54 PM
nixluva wrote:mreinman wrote:nixluva wrote:mreinman wrote:nixluva wrote:mreinman wrote:Looks like the UK faithful mostly don't believe her and say that she looks bad. I have made up my mind that we don't want to face that Rose is possibly a gang rapist being that he is ours now and we have/had such high hopes for him. I have made up my mind that rose is either extremely dumb or has committed an abominable act (even if not found guilty of gang rape). I have made up my mind that fans will be biased and choose to ignore and/or assist in the most commonly used slut shaming defense. I think that you should go back and read your posts and see if its really not obvious to yourself where you lean. Again, please read the Jason Concepcion article that I posted. so here is what phil is thinking ....
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nixluva
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9/26/2016 4:03 PM
mreinman wrote:nixluva wrote:mreinman wrote:nixluva wrote:mreinman wrote:nixluva wrote:mreinman wrote:Looks like the UK faithful mostly don't believe her and say that she looks bad. I've warned you about accusing me of being OK with rape!!! You think that we are willing to overlook if Rose is criminally charged with Rape and found guilty in a court of law just because he's a Knick??? That's insulting. YOU don't know that he's guilty of rape. He's going to either have his day in court in this Civil Suit or they will settle out of court. If the evidence points the LAPD in the direction of formally charging Rose then he'll face a Criminal trial, but so far that has not happened. |
newyorknewyork
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9/26/2016 4:04 PM
mreinman wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:The story seems all off to me. First she wanted to get picked up for work. Then she was passed out when they got there because she may have been drunk already. Then they entered without her permission and slipped something in her drink even though she was already passed out? Thanks https://vote.nba.com/en Vote for your Knicks.
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mreinman
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9/26/2016 4:06 PM
CrushAlot wrote:I read somewhere that Doe and her lawyers are pursuing a criminal case to try to pressure the judge not to release her identity. The pretrial motions that were ruled on on 9/23 didn't go that well for Doe. Her roommate will be allowed to testify for Rose and her identity will be revealed. The judge did rule that Rose could not bring Doe's social relationship with one of her attorneys into evidence. I posted it in the link to the motions in the off topic thread but I don't know how many people go there to read the thread. Again, the White Bronco Site is the closest thing to just presenting legal documents on the case that is out there. Didn't go that well for Doe was a bit misleading as well as only mentioning the things that did not go well for her. Even the one you mentioned that did go well for her (her alleged relationship with her attorney not being permissible) came across as a slut shaming tactic (though I am not claiming to know if this was your intent) ... so let me help out here and post the rulings (pros/cons for both sides):
In the same Order, the Judge threatened to sanction Rose if he “continues to utilize language that shames and blames the victims of rape…” This isn’t the first time that he has scolding Rose’s lawyers. In an earlier order, after Rose argued that Doe should be forced to reveal her identity because she had social media posts that “are sexual in nature,” he wrote that Rose’s “rhetoric has no place in this Court.” In a separate order released earlier this week, the Judge required Rose’s lead attorney Mark Baute to explain in writing to the court why he shouldn’t be sanctioned $1,000.00 for failing to use Doe’s pseudonym in open court. Numerous Other Evidentiary Rulings The parties filed 15 motions seeking to exclude evidence and witnesses (more on that here) and the judge ruled on many of them this week. Here are the highlights: PDF of the Court’s Order so here is what phil is thinking ....
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mreinman
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9/26/2016 4:11 PM
nixluva wrote:mreinman wrote:nixluva wrote:mreinman wrote:nixluva wrote:mreinman wrote:nixluva wrote:mreinman wrote:Looks like the UK faithful mostly don't believe her and say that she looks bad. I did not say that you ARE OK WITH RAPE! Please re-read more carefully and again try not to see everything as 2 colors. Your reactions are all too common as I quoted before and I will quote again: Sports are an escape from life’s quotidian problems, so it’s not surprising that fans react with vexation when those problems — representing the real world — intrude. We treat athletes as characters in a story. Market forces turn those characters into brands. When those athletes do something delightful and on-brand — J.R. Smith strutting around shirtless, for example — we’re only too eager to highlight it. When they do something outside of that box, we become annoyed — stick to sports! If they do something bad, more often than not we simply ignore it. You can choose to not respond in this thread if you'd like but if you do, please stop crying wolf. so here is what phil is thinking ....
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CrushAlot
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9/26/2016 4:14 PM
mreinman wrote:In regards to the lawyer/Doe relationship the roommate has given testimony that they have gotten high together in front of her on at least 20 occasions, that Doe gets favors from the lawyer and that the lawyer seems to be fond of Doe. Nothing sexual but the actions certainly seem to be inappropriate. This is a nasty case. The lawyers for both sides do not appear to like or respect each other. You don't think the biggest ruling was that Doe's identity will be revealed? Also, the 'For Now' ruling about her sexual past seems to indicate that this could change.CrushAlot wrote:I read somewhere that Doe and her lawyers are pursuing a criminal case to try to pressure the judge not to release her identity. The pretrial motions that were ruled on on 9/23 didn't go that well for Doe. Her roommate will be allowed to testify for Rose and her identity will be revealed. The judge did rule that Rose could not bring Doe's social relationship with one of her attorneys into evidence. I posted it in the link to the motions in the off topic thread but I don't know how many people go there to read the thread. Again, the White Bronco Site is the closest thing to just presenting legal documents on the case that is out there. I do prefer referencing trial documents as both sides have told different versions of what happened. I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18
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mreinman
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9/26/2016 4:23 PM LAST EDITED: 9/26/2016 4:23 PM
CrushAlot wrote:mreinman wrote:In regards to the lawyer/Doe relationship the roommate has given testimony that they have gotten high together in front of her on at least 20 occasions, that Doe gets favors from the lawyer and that the lawyer seems to be fond of Doe. Nothing sexual but the actions certainly seem to be inappropriate. This is a nasty case. The lawyers for both sides do not appear to like or respect each other. You don't think the biggest ruling was that Doe's identity will be revealed? Also, the 'For Now' ruling about her sexual past seems to indicate that this could change.CrushAlot wrote:I read somewhere that Doe and her lawyers are pursuing a criminal case to try to pressure the judge not to release her identity. The pretrial motions that were ruled on on 9/23 didn't go that well for Doe. Her roommate will be allowed to testify for Rose and her identity will be revealed. The judge did rule that Rose could not bring Doe's social relationship with one of her attorneys into evidence. I posted it in the link to the motions in the off topic thread but I don't know how many people go there to read the thread. Again, the White Bronco Site is the closest thing to just presenting legal documents on the case that is out there. I think that it is highly inappropriate on the attorneys part though still all part of slut shaming. And her sexual past maybe a problem cause it may show (or may not) show that she was loose but how about his sexual past? Or is it different for guys "cause we men"? A relevance to her sexual past would have importance for such things like testimony that she has gotten it on with three other guys before. If that was known then I would be surprised if the judge allowed this to be suppressed. Just plain slut shaming is of no use other than to deter other woman from coming forward (and btw, this tactic is working quite well). The ruling about her identity was certainly important and damaging and I do agree that the criminal case may help them reverse this ruling. You claim no bias by constantly claiming that you prefer to reference documents from both sides yet your comments as I pointed out usually claim something derogatory about Doe and not Rose. Not sure if that is intentional but that is how this is constantly coming across. so here is what phil is thinking ....
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crzymdups
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9/26/2016 4:23 PM
CrushAlot wrote:mreinman wrote:In regards to the lawyer/Doe relationship the roommate has given testimony that they have gotten high together in front of her on at least 20 occasions, that Doe gets favors from the lawyer and that the lawyer seems to be fond of Doe. Nothing sexual but the actions certainly seem to be inappropriate. This is a nasty case. The lawyers for both sides do not appear to like or respect each other. You don't think the biggest ruling was that Doe's identity will be revealed? Also, the 'For Now' ruling about her sexual past seems to indicate that this could change.CrushAlot wrote:I read somewhere that Doe and her lawyers are pursuing a criminal case to try to pressure the judge not to release her identity. The pretrial motions that were ruled on on 9/23 didn't go that well for Doe. Her roommate will be allowed to testify for Rose and her identity will be revealed. The judge did rule that Rose could not bring Doe's social relationship with one of her attorneys into evidence. I posted it in the link to the motions in the off topic thread but I don't know how many people go there to read the thread. Again, the White Bronco Site is the closest thing to just presenting legal documents on the case that is out there. To me, the way the judge has treated this case pre-trial and the way the police have sort of non-chalantly said "we'll see where this goes" and haven't even forced Rose to come in for questioning... I mean... I agree that rapes and sexual assault are under reported and victims ought to be treated seriously... but Doe went for the money first and seems to have only gone to the police to protect her identity and to help her case. She went to the police two years after the incident... which is fine... but she went to Rose for hush money first and then filed a civil trial for $20M before pressing charges. Hushing sexual assault victims is serious business... but this really seems fishy as hell to me, and I thought so before Rose was ever a Knick. Extortion is also serious business and a crime. I hope justice is served in this case - and if I'm wrong I'll happily admit it. But even this girl's roommate seems to be against her in this case. I dunno. It seems fishy as all hell. ¿ △ ?
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newyorknewyork
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9/26/2016 4:24 PM
mreinman wrote:nixluva wrote:mreinman wrote:nixluva wrote:mreinman wrote:nixluva wrote:mreinman wrote:Looks like the UK faithful mostly don't believe her and say that she looks bad. To play devils advocate we could accuse that you and others dislike for Rose, which has been on display since he was traded for. Has influenced your perception all the same as you believe fandom is protecting him. I personally have no attachment to D.Rose. I'm rooting for landing Chris Paul in the offseason. I view him currently as a one year rental until proven otherwise but even with a good season his injury history may not make it worth it. Regardless from an *outside look* two things are in favor for Rose imo. The fact that she was looking for a financial compensation over criminal charges given the accusation. And the fact that he hasn't been willing to jump at a settlement trying to avoid criminal charges. I mean if Rose set up this woman to get gang raped and she is *offering* financial compensation to keep her mouth shut about it. Then if guilty wouldn't most jump on that? By not doing so he would be risking his career and freedom. While she was looking for compensation without risking her identity. https://vote.nba.com/en Vote for your Knicks.
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