nixluva wrote:

dk7th wrote:

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

callmened wrote:WOW. SO I JUST READ MORE OF THIS CASE...

listen, i dont know what happened that night...NONE of this do but ive concluded a couple of things:
- yikes D.Rose - that is ******* behavior (basically he said, I'll only continue to be your boyfriend if you allow my boys to have sex with you too)
- yikes D. Rose - you sound like an idiot (he doesnt know what 'consent' means)

i wish i didn't read this. again, i dont know if they raped her or not. but it just showed me how ignorant D. Rose was. i mean its hard to stomach or root for a guy like that

Ned, are you getting your info from here? http://thewhitebronco.com/2016/09/the-derrick-rose-sexual-assault-trial-primer/
It has everything that has been presented in court without opinions or lawyer slants from either side.

From the comments I read on this thread I don't think everyone has read all of that info. Sounds like some are happy to just rag on Rose based more on bias than anything else. Some are moralizing which to me is also a problem. We don't have to agree with Rose's lifestyle but it's not illegal to be into kinky stuff sexually.
Both Doe and Rose were adults consenting to drinking, partying and sex over years. It wasn't a normal relationship IMO. This is a very unfortunate thing to be happening right before the new season. I hope it gets resolved before the Trial, but that's for my own selfish reasons as a Knicks fan and not really what may be in the interests of Rose or Doe.

"consent" is precisely what is at issue here. did she give consent in this instance? was she drugged before the sexual encounters?

I FULLY understand what is at issue here. None of us can really know what happened that night. Jane Doe isn't fully aware of what happened that night. It wouldn't take being drugged for that to happen. Just being drunk you might do and say things you would not otherwise do. How many people have done things when drunk that they later say "I would never do that"? Rather than trying to Arm Chair judge this situation there has to be some degree of acceptance that we all don't have a way to know exactly what happened.

i am putting myself in the position of a juror. rose has already damned himself in his own deposition. she also repeatedly denied his requests for threesomes and foursomes over the course of months and months. so even if merely drunk and not both drunk and given drugs, that does not equate with consent.

dk7th wrote:

Welpee wrote:

dk7th wrote:i read as much of the texts and whatnot as i could stomach. liable or not-- the whole thing is sordid, sickening, and shameful and i cannot believe rose is bringing this shyte to the knicks. he is a pariah even before playing a single minute for the knicks and has to settle.

I bet that kinda **** is already on the Knicks, we just may not know about it. Did we already forget about Derrick Williams, Cleanthony Early and the case against O'Quinn? Let's not pretend Rose is joining a choir boy squad. This IS the NBA you know. The Knicks are probably no better or worse than any other team in terms of morality.

o'quinn accused of assault and pending, so yes that is apples to apples, although o'quinn's situation lacks the star power, noteriety, and sordidness of rose's situation.

cleanthony was shot at a nightclub he should not have been in, williams gets his jewelry stolen. both were stupid but the key is they were victims. not apples to apples.

Welpee wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Welpee wrote:

dk7th wrote:i read as much of the texts and whatnot as i could stomach. liable or not-- the whole thing is sordid, sickening, and shameful and i cannot believe rose is bringing this shyte to the knicks. he is a pariah even before playing a single minute for the knicks and has to settle.

I bet that kinda **** is already on the Knicks, we just may not know about it. Did we already forget about Derrick Williams, Cleanthony Early and the case against O'Quinn? Let's not pretend Rose is joining a choir boy squad. This IS the NBA you know. The Knicks are probably no better or worse than any other team in terms of morality.

o'quinn accused of assault and pending, so yes that is apples to apples, although o'quinn's situation lacks the star power, noteriety, and sordidness of rose's situation.

cleanthony was shot at a nightclub he should not have been in, williams gets his jewelry stolen. both were stupid but the key is they were victims. not apples to apples.

In a general sense, it is apples to apples to terms of players living lifestyles that bring controversy to the team whether they're victims or not.

to an extent, but then there's the question of public sympathy. o'quinn does not win any sympathies, the other two kind of do. rose certainly does not.

Derrick Rose is dragging Nick Young into his alleged rape case -- using his fellow NBA star in an attempt to discredit the accuser.
Rose's Jane Doe accuser claims she was traumatized by the alleged gang rape because she's "prudish" and sexually inexperienced. Rose's team says that's a big fat lie ... and they have a text referring to fellow NBA guard Nick Young to prove it.
According to docs obtained by TMZ Sports, the text was sent from Jane Doe to her roommate in November 2014. It says, "since u goin to nicks can u please tell him to give u my bra lol."
Rose says the roommate confirmed ... Jane Doe was referring to Nick Young in the text (and yes, Nick was dating Iggy at the time).
The docs also claim Jane Doe interacted with lots of celebs and had sexual relationships with at least 2 NBA players other than Rose ... bringing a major question about her credibility into play.
We reached out to Nick Young ... he has no comment.

dk7th wrote:

Welpee wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Welpee wrote:

dk7th wrote:i read as much of the texts and whatnot as i could stomach. liable or not-- the whole thing is sordid, sickening, and shameful and i cannot believe rose is bringing this shyte to the knicks. he is a pariah even before playing a single minute for the knicks and has to settle.

I bet that kinda **** is already on the Knicks, we just may not know about it. Did we already forget about Derrick Williams, Cleanthony Early and the case against O'Quinn? Let's not pretend Rose is joining a choir boy squad. This IS the NBA you know. The Knicks are probably no better or worse than any other team in terms of morality.

o'quinn accused of assault and pending, so yes that is apples to apples, although o'quinn's situation lacks the star power, noteriety, and sordidness of rose's situation.

cleanthony was shot at a nightclub he should not have been in, williams gets his jewelry stolen. both were stupid but the key is they were victims. not apples to apples.

In a general sense, it is apples to apples to terms of players living lifestyles that bring controversy to the team whether they're victims or not.

to an extent, but then there's the question of public sympathy. o'quinn does not win any sympathies, the other two kind of do. rose certainly does not.

And I'm not expressing any personal feelings on this. I was just responding to the statement insinuating that Rose is bringing a certain "element" to the team and making it seem like it doesn't already exist.

Welpee wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Welpee wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Welpee wrote:

dk7th wrote:i read as much of the texts and whatnot as i could stomach. liable or not-- the whole thing is sordid, sickening, and shameful and i cannot believe rose is bringing this shyte to the knicks. he is a pariah even before playing a single minute for the knicks and has to settle.

I bet that kinda **** is already on the Knicks, we just may not know about it. Did we already forget about Derrick Williams, Cleanthony Early and the case against O'Quinn? Let's not pretend Rose is joining a choir boy squad. This IS the NBA you know. The Knicks are probably no better or worse than any other team in terms of morality.

o'quinn accused of assault and pending, so yes that is apples to apples, although o'quinn's situation lacks the star power, noteriety, and sordidness of rose's situation.

cleanthony was shot at a nightclub he should not have been in, williams gets his jewelry stolen. both were stupid but the key is they were victims. not apples to apples.

In a general sense, it is apples to apples to terms of players living lifestyles that bring controversy to the team whether they're victims or not.

to an extent, but then there's the question of public sympathy. o'quinn does not win any sympathies, the other two kind of do. rose certainly does not.

I agree about Rose and O'Quinn, but you really think there's public sympathy for Williams who after a road game in the middle of back to back games goes partying, picking up a couple of chicks to take back to his home and gets robbed? Or Early getting shot hanging out at strip clubs at 4 a.m.?

And I'm not expressing any personal feelings on this. I was just responding to the statement insinuating that Rose is bringing a certain "element" to the team and making it seem like it doesn't already exist.

so once we have one alleged sexual offender we should be fair and accept all alleged predators?

CrushAlot wrote:

mreinman wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Derrick Rose is dragging Nick Young into his alleged rape case -- using his fellow NBA star in an attempt to discredit the accuser.
Rose's Jane Doe accuser claims she was traumatized by the alleged gang rape because she's "prudish" and sexually inexperienced. Rose's team says that's a big fat lie ... and they have a text referring to fellow NBA guard Nick Young to prove it.
According to docs obtained by TMZ Sports, the text was sent from Jane Doe to her roommate in November 2014. It says, "since u goin to nicks can u please tell him to give u my bra lol."
Rose says the roommate confirmed ... Jane Doe was referring to Nick Young in the text (and yes, Nick was dating Iggy at the time).
The docs also claim Jane Doe interacted with lots of celebs and had sexual relationships with at least 2 NBA players other than Rose ... bringing a major question about her credibility into play.
We reached out to Nick Young ... he has no comment.

http://www.tmz.com/2016/09/12/derrick-rose-nick-young-rape-case/

you sound like his PR machine or acting on behalf of his legal team. I have seen you try to paint her in a bad light numerous times and of course your one sidedness is very transparent.

Guilty or not, these details are beyond offensive and of course in retrospect, phil should have never brought him/this here. I would assume that he regrets it and perhaps he is kicking himself for not doing more due diligence.

Lets not forget how many woman had to come out against Bill Cosby before it would stick. Its easy to tear down the character of any singleton.

This also reminds me of how everyone was killing the woman who outed Donald Sterling. Regardless of what kind of person she was or what her motive(s) were, it was still quite clear that Donald Sterling was a sick human being.

Really? I keep posting links to The White Bronco site. I posted a link to another site that I thought made it a little easier to get through the info that is available from court. Not sensational or slanted commentary just court documents. I saw that this morning and thought it was interesting. Also, Doe's legal team is going all out to paint a picture of her that doesn't correspond to the court documents that I have read. I don't condone the behavior of Rose and I do not know what happened that night. I have read court documents though that do not match how Doe's legal team is presenting her. It is a nasty case.

do you see how this post in itself is slated/biased against Doe?

mreinman wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

mreinman wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Derrick Rose is dragging Nick Young into his alleged rape case -- using his fellow NBA star in an attempt to discredit the accuser.
Rose's Jane Doe accuser claims she was traumatized by the alleged gang rape because she's "prudish" and sexually inexperienced. Rose's team says that's a big fat lie ... and they have a text referring to fellow NBA guard Nick Young to prove it.
According to docs obtained by TMZ Sports, the text was sent from Jane Doe to her roommate in November 2014. It says, "since u goin to nicks can u please tell him to give u my bra lol."
Rose says the roommate confirmed ... Jane Doe was referring to Nick Young in the text (and yes, Nick was dating Iggy at the time).
The docs also claim Jane Doe interacted with lots of celebs and had sexual relationships with at least 2 NBA players other than Rose ... bringing a major question about her credibility into play.
We reached out to Nick Young ... he has no comment.

http://www.tmz.com/2016/09/12/derrick-rose-nick-young-rape-case/

you sound like his PR machine or acting on behalf of his legal team. I have seen you try to paint her in a bad light numerous times and of course your one sidedness is very transparent.

Guilty or not, these details are beyond offensive and of course in retrospect, phil should have never brought him/this here. I would assume that he regrets it and perhaps he is kicking himself for not doing more due diligence.

Lets not forget how many woman had to come out against Bill Cosby before it would stick. Its easy to tear down the character of any singleton.

This also reminds me of how everyone was killing the woman who outed Donald Sterling. Regardless of what kind of person she was or what her motive(s) were, it was still quite clear that Donald Sterling was a sick human being.

Really? I keep posting links to The White Bronco site. I posted a link to another site that I thought made it a little easier to get through the info that is available from court. Not sensational or slanted commentary just court documents. I saw that this morning and thought it was interesting. Also, Doe's legal team is going all out to paint a picture of her that doesn't correspond to the court documents that I have read. I don't condone the behavior of Rose and I do not know what happened that night. I have read court documents though that do not match how Doe's legal team is presenting her. It is a nasty case.

do you see how this post in itself is slated/biased against Doe?

CrushAlot wrote:

mreinman wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

mreinman wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Derrick Rose is dragging Nick Young into his alleged rape case -- using his fellow NBA star in an attempt to discredit the accuser.
Rose's Jane Doe accuser claims she was traumatized by the alleged gang rape because she's "prudish" and sexually inexperienced. Rose's team says that's a big fat lie ... and they have a text referring to fellow NBA guard Nick Young to prove it.
According to docs obtained by TMZ Sports, the text was sent from Jane Doe to her roommate in November 2014. It says, "since u goin to nicks can u please tell him to give u my bra lol."
Rose says the roommate confirmed ... Jane Doe was referring to Nick Young in the text (and yes, Nick was dating Iggy at the time).
The docs also claim Jane Doe interacted with lots of celebs and had sexual relationships with at least 2 NBA players other than Rose ... bringing a major question about her credibility into play.
We reached out to Nick Young ... he has no comment.

http://www.tmz.com/2016/09/12/derrick-rose-nick-young-rape-case/

you sound like his PR machine or acting on behalf of his legal team. I have seen you try to paint her in a bad light numerous times and of course your one sidedness is very transparent.

Guilty or not, these details are beyond offensive and of course in retrospect, phil should have never brought him/this here. I would assume that he regrets it and perhaps he is kicking himself for not doing more due diligence.

Lets not forget how many woman had to come out against Bill Cosby before it would stick. Its easy to tear down the character of any singleton.

This also reminds me of how everyone was killing the woman who outed Donald Sterling. Regardless of what kind of person she was or what her motive(s) were, it was still quite clear that Donald Sterling was a sick human being.

Really? I keep posting links to The White Bronco site. I posted a link to another site that I thought made it a little easier to get through the info that is available from court. Not sensational or slanted commentary just court documents. I saw that this morning and thought it was interesting. Also, Doe's legal team is going all out to paint a picture of her that doesn't correspond to the court documents that I have read. I don't condone the behavior of Rose and I do not know what happened that night. I have read court documents though that do not match how Doe's legal team is presenting her. It is a nasty case.

do you see how this post in itself is slated/biased against Doe?

I think similar to needing a filter with the ny media, if it isn't submitted in a court document consider the motivation behind why it is out there and proceed accordingly.

you dodged the question.