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True Hoop Podcast: The Good Bad and the Knicks (Windhorst, Begley, and Bontemps)
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8/24/2016  3:23 PM

I haven't listened yet but I think all of these guys know their stuff.
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8/24/2016  5:58 PM
I listened to the first few minutes then deleted it. I don't want to hear two douche bags making fun of Knicks fans and calling Derek Rose a d league player.
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8/24/2016  7:12 PM
1st off I don't think the Knicks will only win 35 games unless there is MASSIVE injury on the team. They could've won that many games last year if Melo doesn't trip over that Ref. That team was rolling along at .500 before injuries took hold. That was with Fish and Rambis coaching and less talent overall. So IMO this team is leaps and bounds better.

I disagree with the take of Bontemps and Windhorst about Rose and Noah. I think it's not so much about how they played last year but about how they fit with this group this season. Rose is not going to be relied on to be the top threat in NY. There's no clash between Rose and Lee like there was between Rose and Butler. Lee can be effective without the ball unlike Butler. I think this is largely unaddressed by media.


General Range GP G Freq FGM FGA FG% eFG% Freq 2FGM 2FGA 2FG% Freq 3PM 3PA 3P%
Catch and Shoot 67 62 17.8% 0.9 2.8 34.2 44.3 5.7% 0.4 0.9 44.1 12.1% 0.6 1.9 29.6
Pull Ups 67 67 37.8% 2.1 5.8 36.3 39.5 30.5% 1.8 4.7 37.1 7.4% 0.4 1.1 32.9
Less than 10 ft 67 67 42.6% 3.9 6.6 58.6 58.6 42.6% 3.9 6.6 58.6 0.0% 0.0 0.0 -
Other 67 18 1.8% 0.1 0.3 36.8 42.1 1.4% 0.1 0.2 35.7 0.5% 0.0 0.1 40.0

General Range GP G Freq FGM FGA FG% eFG% Freq 2FGM 2FGA 2FG% Freq 3PM 3PA 3P%
Catch and Shoot 79 75 40.5% 1.3 3.3 40.5 56.2 9.1% 0.3 0.7 41.4 31.5% 1.0 2.5 40.3
Pull Ups 79 74 30.2% 1.0 2.4 42.5 42.7 28.3% 1.0 2.3 44.8 1.9% 0.0 0.1 8.3
Less than 10 ft 79 69 28.3% 1.3 2.3 56.9 56.9 28.3% 1.3 2.3 56.9 0.0% 0.0 0.0 -
Other 79 5 0.9% 0.0 0.1 0.0 0.0 0.3% 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.6% 0.0 0.1 0.0

Another thing I disagree with is the Noah vs. Lopez comparison. Lopez is a better Center at this point but he's not a better FIT for how this team needs to play. Lopez doesn't play uptempo as well as Noah. Noah thinks the game faster than Lopez and that shows up in his passing. So if you're gonna run Triangle and you have Noah as the pivot making decisions with the ball, that's a HUGE improvement over Lopez and that is not something to just gloss over as the guys in this podcast did.

When you put players like Melo, KP, Rose and Lee around a passer like Noah a lot of good things can happen. My problem with their take is that they aren't really talking about how the parts fit and IMO it's not about their individual performance but rather how all these players will work under Hornacek's schemes and approach.

There's this notion that the Knicks don't have a bench but really teams win mostly with their top 7 rotation players. The Knicks have a very good top 7. Rose, Lee, Melo, KP, Noah, Jennings and Thomas. These guys will carry most of the load. Filling in behind them are some very intriguing players as well even if they aren't big names. Holiday, Willy, KOQ, Kuz and maybe Baker and Randle. These are players that I think have some talent and can hold the fort when they're in the game. They may not extend a lead but as long as they can give solid minutes at a typical or slightly better backup level they should be fine.

35 wins is a broken team and I don't think this is a broken team. It looks like a team that makes a lot of sense and players that can play the way Hornacek wants to play.

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8/24/2016  8:07 PM
EnySpree wrote:I listened to the first few minutes then deleted it. I don't want to hear two douche bags making fun of Knicks fans and calling Derek Rose a d league player.

It was brutal. I agree.
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8/24/2016  8:12 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
EnySpree wrote:I listened to the first few minutes then deleted it. I don't want to hear two douche bags making fun of Knicks fans and calling Derek Rose a d league player.

It was brutal. I agree.
ONe other thing that really bothered me. I thought Windhorst was more neutral towards the Knicks but he said that he thinks Hornacek comes in as a weakened coach and that the presence of Rambis weakens Hornacek and his ability to implement what he wants. I don't see anyway the Knicks go after Rose and Jennings if they are planning traditional RAmbis triangle. I think those moves were made to help the coach implement his system. I also think Phil/Jeff are simpatico and Phil is going to let Jeff do his thing.
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8/24/2016  10:21 PM
I'm just tired of arguing about it. No games have been played yet it's ok to predict doom and gloom and bully knick fans all summer. Season can't stay soon enough
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8/24/2016  10:41 PM    LAST EDITED: 8/24/2016  10:42 PM
EnySpree wrote:I'm just tired of arguing about it. No games have been played yet it's ok to predict doom and gloom and bully knick fans all summer. Season can't stay soon enough

there's no arguing with projection models. most had the knicks in the mid-to-upper 30s next season. i see no reason to set expectations any higher, given the number of games that melo, rose, and noah are going to miss.

my strategy would be to limit their minutes to around 24-28 minutes a game, use a deep bench while developing players, and have the focus of the team shift to kp6, who should be able to exceed 32 minutes a game.

everyone wins in this scenario. the brittle preserve their bodies while serving the phenom, the europeans get some seasoning, thomas gets a deserved utility 6th man role.

kp6 34
lee 34
melo 28
noah 28
rose 28
152 minutes out of 240

thomas 32
jennings 20
mindauskas/ndour 12
hernangomez 12
o'quinn 12

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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8/24/2016  11:00 PM
dk7th wrote:
EnySpree wrote:I'm just tired of arguing about it. No games have been played yet it's ok to predict doom and gloom and bully knick fans all summer. Season can't stay soon enough

there's no arguing with projection models. most had the knicks in the mid-to-upper 30s next season. i see no reason to set expectations any higher, given the number of games that melo, rose, and noah are going to miss.

my strategy would be to limit their minutes to around 24-28 minutes a game, use a deep bench while developing players, and have the focus of the team shift to kp6, who should be able to exceed 32 minutes a game.

everyone wins in this scenario. the brittle preserve their bodies while serving the phenom, the europeans get some seasoning, thomas gets a deserved utility 6th man role.

kp6 34
lee 34
melo 28
noah 28
rose 28
152 minutes out of 240

thomas 32
jennings 20
mindauskas/ndour 12
hernangomez 12
o'quinn 12

Actually there is arguing with projection models. For instance the model totally ignores the impact a new or competent coach can have on a team. Is there anyway Thibs' Wolves finish 3 or 4 spots behind the Nuggets? Also, there was no mention of Jennings in the podcast. I was driving and sometimes miss things but I can't remember anyone mentioning him. If you devalue rose so much you have to look at Jennings.
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8/24/2016  11:32 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
dk7th wrote:
EnySpree wrote:I'm just tired of arguing about it. No games have been played yet it's ok to predict doom and gloom and bully knick fans all summer. Season can't stay soon enough

there's no arguing with projection models. most had the knicks in the mid-to-upper 30s next season. i see no reason to set expectations any higher, given the number of games that melo, rose, and noah are going to miss.

my strategy would be to limit their minutes to around 24-28 minutes a game, use a deep bench while developing players, and have the focus of the team shift to kp6, who should be able to exceed 32 minutes a game.

everyone wins in this scenario. the brittle preserve their bodies while serving the phenom, the europeans get some seasoning, thomas gets a deserved utility 6th man role.

kp6 34
lee 34
melo 28
noah 28
rose 28
152 minutes out of 240

thomas 32
jennings 20
mindauskas/ndour 12
hernangomez 12
o'quinn 12

Actually there is arguing with projection models. For instance the model totally ignores the impact a new or competent coach can have on a team. Is there anyway Thibs' Wolves finish 3 or 4 spots behind the Nuggets? Also, there was no mention of Jennings in the podcast. I was driving and sometimes miss things but I can't remember anyone mentioning him. If you devalue rose so much you have to look at Jennings.

I was bothered by their take on Hornacek as well. In addition no real talk about Jennings. Overall I didn't like how they never really addressed how the parts fit together in a very logical way in Hornacek's style of ball. The Triangle is not going to be the main thrust of Hornacek's scheme. It's a foundation he can use but he's gonna tweak the hell out of it. He's already said they'll play faster, spread the normal Triangle spacing out to 3pt range, add more PnR action and look to attack the close out aggressively. That's not same ole Triangle!!!

As you say Crush, adding Rose and Jennings are not signs of a team looking to run pure Triangle. Plus they are considering Chasson Randle who is also very similar to Rose and Jennings in how he plays. These are scoring guards and not pure PG's. As I mentioned earlier we have Lee, Holiday and maybe Baker in the mix as Catch and Shoot guards, that fit well with Rose and Jennings.

Noah will be setting up Melo and KP a lot as well as Rose and Lee. He's not just here to play the role of Lopez. He's not a RoLo replacement. Noah is a great fit in a PnR or Triangle style as he can run PnR perfectly as well as pass from the High or Mid Post. I think the predictions are simply not capable of figuring out all of these variables.

This Knicks team is the most well constructed team we've seen in a long time in terms of the skills these players have and how they should fit together in Hornacek's schemes. Most of the media guys have not even come close to recognizing this.

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8/25/2016  10:53 AM    LAST EDITED: 8/25/2016  11:03 AM
i listened and i thought it was good. i like how they systematically went thru each team in the east and asked: are the knicks better..yes or no?

they came up with the 10-13th best team...tied with orlando. and i agree.

i see this team winning 37-43 wins. and thats an IMPROVEMENT! injury prone starters, poor defense and weak bench

like they said in the pod, i just wish they built around KP instead of melo

ian begley....who COVERS the knicks, even admitted maybe 10th at best...and he's the knicks BEAT reporter. he was the most optimistic

anyways, ill stop before i get labeled a knicks hater. i bleed blue and orange - just keeping it real

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Knicks should be improved: win about 40 games and maybe sneak into the playoffs. Melo, Rose and even Noah will have some nice moments however this team should be about PORZINGUS. the sooner they make him the primary player, the better
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8/25/2016  11:12 AM
callmened wrote:i listened and i thought it was good. i like how they systematically went thru each team in the east and asked: are the knicks better..yes or no?

they came up with the 10-13th best team...tied with orlando. and i agree.

i see this team winning 37-43 wins. and thats an IMPROVEMENT! injury prone starters, poor defense and weak bench

like they said in the pod, i just wish they built around KP instead of melo

ian begley....who COVERS the knicks, even admitted maybe 10th at best...and he's the knicks BEAT reporter. he was the most optimistic

anyways, ill stop before i get labeled a knicks hater. i bleed blue and orange - just keeping it real

#tbt wedding day - tie? check! vest? check! custom made knicks cufflinks? check lol

Lookin dapper. Gotta give respect for representing on your wrists at your own wedding.

Still, I think you're being a pessimist. As Nix said, there's just no way to account for all the variables with the number of changed aspects to the team (coach, system, players, etc.) The first month will give a lot more insight, and I am stoked to see how it goes.

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8/25/2016  11:19 AM
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Lookin dapper. Gotta give respect for representing on your wrists at your own wedding.

Still, I think you're being a pessimist. As Nix said, there's just no way to account for all the variables with the number of changed aspects to the team (coach, system, players, etc.) The first month will give a lot more insight, and I am stoked to see how it goes.

thanks man. our wedding anniversary today

but yeah i think the knicks will be much much improved. my main concern is the injuries and lack of bench depth. i wish we had gallo still. we shall see though. i hope im wrong

Knicks should be improved: win about 40 games and maybe sneak into the playoffs. Melo, Rose and even Noah will have some nice moments however this team should be about PORZINGUS. the sooner they make him the primary player, the better
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8/25/2016  1:23 PM
Good listen, all their points and the RPM system is spot on. Nothing wrong with being an optimistic homer fan, but computer projections are based on statistics and numbers, so don't hate on them for Math and probability.

The Knicks should take this 34 win RPM projection and put it on their locker room bulletin board. Use it for motivation. Stop bitching about it and ball out. Knicks fans that are expecting contenders have to lower their expectations or you'll be heart broken. They'll be better than 32 wins, but are they that much better to contend in the east? Nope. But if the Knicks main players play at least 75% of the games, KP ascends to All Star status, no distractions, and team gel time is accelerated somehow from the 15-20 games it takes most newly assembled teams....then maybe 40-45 wins and a playoff berth could be in reach.

Otherwise all these prognosticators are on the money.

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8/25/2016  2:36 PM    LAST EDITED: 8/25/2016  2:36 PM
ChuckBuck wrote:Good listen, all their points and the RPM system is spot on. Nothing wrong with being an optimistic homer fan, but computer projections are based on statistics and numbers, so don't hate on them for Math and probability.

The Knicks should take this 34 win RPM projection and put it on their locker room bulletin board. Use it for motivation. Stop bitching about it and ball out. Knicks fans that are expecting contenders have to lower their expectations or you'll be heart broken. They'll be better than 32 wins, but are they that much better to contend in the east? Nope. But if the Knicks main players play at least 75% of the games, KP ascends to All Star status, no distractions, and team gel time is accelerated somehow from the 15-20 games it takes most newly assembled teams....then maybe 40-45 wins and a playoff berth could be in reach.

Otherwise all these prognosticators are on the money.


35 wins is not likely "right on the money"! They can guess based on individual stats from last year but the circumstances are so different on this roster. The number of new variables that come with this new group coming together might render a lot of the stats less predictable going forward. For example, Assist numbers may increase given the scoring talent and change in style of play.

IMO all these dire predictions based on Rose or even Noah playing poorly are overstated. When you look at how Rose was actually playing Post All Star Break, once he got his vision straight, legs under him and his game back to form, Rose was playing at a very good level offensively.

This is a list of Guards after the All Star Break with at least 10 FGA's and 4 assists. Meaning these guards were key performers for their teams.


Player TEAM AGE GP W L MIN FGM FGA FG% 3PM 3PA 3P% FTM FTA FT% OREB DREB REB AST TOV STL BLK PF DD2 TD3 PTS +/-
Darren Collison SAC 28 26 10 16 33.2 5.6 11.1 50.3 1.3 3.0 43.6 2.6 3.0 88.3 0.4 2.2 2.5 5.0 1.8 1.3 0.1 2.1 1 0 15.1 -2.1
Stephen Curry GSW 28 29 24 5 34.8 10.6 21.3 49.8 5.4 11.9 45.4 4.0 4.4 89.8 0.8 4.8 5.6 6.8 3.3 2.1 0.2 2.1 5 0 30.6 8.8
Jose Juan Barea DAL 32 25 13 12 23.7 5.6 11.3 49.3 1.6 3.8 42.6 1.0 1.2 77.4 0.4 2.0 2.4 4.4 1.6 0.4 0.0 1.2 1 0 13.7 -1.1
Goran Dragic MIA 30 28 18 10 33.6 7.1 14.6 48.5 0.9 3.0 28.6 2.3 2.9 76.8 1.0 3.7 4.6 6.7 2.8 1.0 0.3 2.8 5 0 17.3 4.5
Evan Turner BOS 27 26 15 11 29.9 4.8 10.1 47.7 0.4 0.8 52.4 2.0 2.5 79.7 0.6 4.7 5.3 4.5 2.0 1.2 0.3 1.9 1 0 12.0 1.1
Chris Paul LAC 31 26 17 9 32.1 7.0 14.7 47.4 1.8 4.9 35.9 4.3 4.6 92.5 0.5 4.4 4.9 11.1 2.4 1.9 0.2 2.1 16 0 20.0 8.3
Khris Middleton MIL 24 25 11 14 36.0 6.9 14.6 47.4 1.6 4.2 37.5 3.4 3.6 92.3 0.6 3.3 3.9 4.6 2.7 2.4 0.4 2.5 1 0 18.8 1.8
Derrick Rose CHI 27 21 10 11 30.9 7.3 15.7 46.8 0.9 2.3 37.5 1.9 2.4 78.4 0.8 2.4 3.1 4.6 2.6 0.7 0.1 0.7 0 0 17.4 -3.3
James Harden HOU 26 27 14 13 39.7 9.7 21.0 46.1 3.0 8.1 36.8 8.6 10.1 84.3 0.7 4.9 5.6 8.3 4.7 1.9 0.6 3.0 9 1 30.9 6.6
CJ McCollum POR 24 28 17 11 34.3 7.9 17.2 45.9 2.6 5.5 47.1 2.8 3.1 87.5 0.6 2.0 2.6 4.3 2.6 1.2 0.4 2.3 0 0 21.1 2.5
Rajon Rondo SAC 30 21 8 13 35.7 4.9 10.7 45.8 1.1 2.9 37.7 1.0 1.8 59.5 0.8 4.7 5.5 11.0 3.7 2.0 0.1 2.8 10 1 12.0 -2.0
Dwyane Wade MIA 34 24 16 8 31.1 7.3 16.1 45.3 0.0 0.5 0.0 5.1 6.1 84.2 0.8 3.4 4.2 4.5 3.0 1.1 0.7 1.9 1 0 19.7 2.5
Jeff Teague ATL 28 27 17 10 28.5 5.9 13.1 45.2 1.7 4.3 39.3 3.2 4.0 81.3 0.4 2.4 2.8 6.9 2.7 1.0 0.3 2.1 1 0 16.8 3.9
Tony Parker SAS 34 24 19 5 29.1 4.5 10.1 44.9 0.5 1.2 39.3 2.1 2.8 76.1 0.2 2.0 2.2 5.6 2.0 0.5 0.2 1.6 2 0 11.7 3.9
Nicolas Batum CHA 27 26 19 7 34.3 5.7 12.6 44.8 1.8 5.4 34.0 1.8 2.2 85.7 0.6 4.8 5.4 6.1 2.5 1.0 0.7 1.5 2 1 15.0 5.4
Russell Westbrook OKC 27 26 15 11 34.5 7.6 17.0 44.6 1.4 4.8 29.6 5.6 7.1 78.9 1.8 6.5 8.3 11.3 4.3 1.5 0.3 2.6 18 10 22.2 5.5

http://stats.nba.com/league/player/?ls=iref:nba:gnav#!/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&PlayerPosition=G&SeasonSegment=Post%20All-Star&sort=FG_PCT&dir=1&CF=GP*G*17%7CFGA*G*10%7CAST*G*4

The key IMO will be Rose being able to not only play more efficiently but also stepping up his defensive effort. If he can do that he'll be supported by his teammates behind him and I think this team can really outperform the predictions.

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8/25/2016  7:53 PM
This is quite literally the dumbest podcast I've ever listened to. I got about fifteen minutes in. ESPN is a flaming dumpster fire.
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ChuckBuck wrote:Good listen, all their points and the RPM system is spot on. Nothing wrong with being an optimistic homer fan, but computer projections are based on statistics and numbers, so don't hate on them for Math and probability.

The Knicks should take this 34 win RPM projection and put it on their locker room bulletin board. Use it for motivation. Stop bitching about it and ball out. Knicks fans that are expecting contenders have to lower their expectations or you'll be heart broken. They'll be better than 32 wins, but are they that much better to contend in the east? Nope. But if the Knicks main players play at least 75% of the games, KP ascends to All Star status, no distractions, and team gel time is accelerated somehow from the 15-20 games it takes most newly assembled teams....then maybe 40-45 wins and a playoff berth could be in reach.

Otherwise all these prognosticators are on the money.

jackson had a choice to go with youth and a complete rebuild around kp6, or kowtow to the 124 million dollar man and jerk the team into win-now mode. jackson went with the latter, and the result is what we see here. a brittle pg on a one year, another underachieving pg coming back from achilles and on his fourth team, a truly great center who is on a four year deal but is liable to be limited to reserve minutes and will be good for perhaps 60 games. all for the sake of helping melo become relevant in the next 2 seasons. he has one conference finals appearance, maybe he gets a second chance in the next two seasons. lets just hope it isn't at the expense of kp6.

factoring for injury the knicks are going to win between 38-43 games. being a fan doesn't require being unrealistic, and projection models that factor in injury history are as reliable as anything out there. i will say that espn's 25 win projection last season was rubbish, and i had the knicks at 34 wins. my prediction exceeded theirs by a healthy 9 games. this year the difference is closer-- knicks should win 38 wins.

the knicks don't get to 38 wins drastic measures involving carmelo anthony should take place summer of 2017. just sayin'

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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8/25/2016  8:33 PM
crzymdups wrote:This is quite literally the dumbest podcast I've ever listened to. I got about fifteen minutes in. ESPN is a flaming dumpster fire.

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You can almost gauge the quality of the podcast by the responses from Chuckybooboo and Son of tkf.
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8/25/2016  9:18 PM    LAST EDITED: 8/25/2016  9:18 PM
dk7th wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:Good listen, all their points and the RPM system is spot on. Nothing wrong with being an optimistic homer fan, but computer projections are based on statistics and numbers, so don't hate on them for Math and probability.

The Knicks should take this 34 win RPM projection and put it on their locker room bulletin board. Use it for motivation. Stop bitching about it and ball out. Knicks fans that are expecting contenders have to lower their expectations or you'll be heart broken. They'll be better than 32 wins, but are they that much better to contend in the east? Nope. But if the Knicks main players play at least 75% of the games, KP ascends to All Star status, no distractions, and team gel time is accelerated somehow from the 15-20 games it takes most newly assembled teams....then maybe 40-45 wins and a playoff berth could be in reach.

Otherwise all these prognosticators are on the money.

jackson had a choice to go with youth and a complete rebuild around kp6, or kowtow to the 124 million dollar man and jerk the team into win-now mode. jackson went with the latter, and the result is what we see here. a brittle pg on a one year, another underachieving pg coming back from achilles and on his fourth team, a truly great center who is on a four year deal but is liable to be limited to reserve minutes and will be good for perhaps 60 games. all for the sake of helping melo become relevant in the next 2 seasons. he has one conference finals appearance, maybe he gets a second chance in the next two seasons. lets just hope it isn't at the expense of kp6.

factoring for injury the knicks are going to win between 38-43 games. being a fan doesn't require being unrealistic, and projection models that factor in injury history are as reliable as anything out there. i will say that espn's 25 win projection last season was rubbish, and i had the knicks at 34 wins. my prediction exceeded theirs by a healthy 9 games. this year the difference is closer-- knicks should win 38 wins.

the knicks don't get to 38 wins drastic measures involving carmelo anthony should take place summer of 2017. just sayin'

How is it that the Knicks should only win 6 more games than last year? What is it about this new roster that makes them such a sorry team in your opinion? Is it going to be the coaching? The overall guard play? Please explain how the team is basically the same as last year with a bit of better luck health wise cuz last year's team could easily have won 6 more games minus key injuries. So basically your point and that of many of the Analysts is that the team is the same.

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8/26/2016  12:31 AM
callmened wrote:i listened and i thought it was good. i like how they systematically went thru each team in the east and asked: are the knicks better..yes or no?

they came up with the 10-13th best team...tied with orlando. and i agree.

i see this team winning 37-43 wins. and thats an IMPROVEMENT! injury prone starters, poor defense and weak bench

like they said in the pod, i just wish they built around KP instead of melo

ian begley....who COVERS the knicks, even admitted maybe 10th at best...and he's the knicks BEAT reporter. he was the most optimistic

anyways, ill stop before i get labeled a knicks hater. i bleed blue and orange - just keeping it real

#tbt wedding day - tie? check! vest? check! custom made knicks cufflinks? check lol


Congratulations and happy anniversary. Those cuff links are awesome. I am a little older than you but have a Knick related wedding story. My wife and I got married in August of 92. One of my buddies got me the Ewing Dream Team jersey and gave it to me at the reception. I had the jersey in my hand for quite a few of the wedding pictures. My wife used a sharpie to black out the jersey in some of the pictures.
I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18
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callmened wrote:#tbt wedding day - tie? check! vest? check! custom made knicks cufflinks? check lol

AWESOME

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