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8/23/2016  1:57 PM
a nice write up on KP with pictures/images/and some illustrations on how Derrick Rose, KP, CA, Noah, and the NYK's could run/execute certain philosophies/systems with the talent on the roster
using the shooters to spread the floor, along with Rose's abilities to penetrate/finish, creating mismatches, strategies, opportunities, and wide open shots for the TEAM, along with DEFENSE


dont know how to post the images/GIF's? short clips that illustrates how they can execute, so just provided the link for it

I was a HUGE fan of Draymond Green's abilities/leadership/defense/versatility on both OFF and DEF, ability to handle/pass/cut/screens & wanted NYK's to offer a MAX contract, while MANY thought he was a role player and not worthy of consideration of such a contract
Well, last year Green put up huge numbers/triple doubles and undoubtedly showed he was worthy
The thing is Green does a lot more than just the STATS and numbers that he brings, with intangibles, DEFENSE, screens *though a lot are moving screens*, with leadership/work ethic/heart, ability to play POINT/Forward/Center with the ability to defense all 5 positions and still play great HELP DEFENSE while defending his own man/protecting the rim/positioning for rebounds, good cuts/ability to finish

It allows his team mates to RUN and finish near the rim or for a WIDE OPEN 3pt shot before DEFENSE's are able to get set


His ability to simply rebound the basketball then dribble down allows the shooters (TOP TIER SHOOTERS in the entire league with Curry, Klay Thompson, (now also with the addition of Durant who is over 7 feet tall/with great WINGSPAN/Athleticism and brings more shot blocking with his mobility, with multiple players that can handle the ball vs positions that will draw out defenders to over the 3point line allowing the team to execute more WIDE OPEN 3pter's along with layups/dunks for high % shots


And I believe that Noah, has MANY of the qualities that make Draymond Green a very special player on both OFF and DEF
though Noah has question marks regarding his health/age/injuries, he certainly has a of the skill sets/versatilities on OFF and DEF, leadership/work ethic/heart that make Draymond Green the player he is
Just a couple years ago, he was able to play POINT FORWARD a bit and defend/playing both PF/CENTER effectively on both OFF and DEF
His ability to rebound the ball then dribble down the basketball as he did in Chicago


He brings the intensity, work ethic/heart that translates and has a multiplying effect/affect, along with his leadership on both OFF and DEF
Was a DPOY for many seasons, not too long ago...

With KP saying out in public that he "NEEDS CA here in NY and provides much leadership, understanding of the NBA game etc, Phil Jackson acquired Noah who unquestionably much more of a LEADER/DEFENSIVE presence than CA and what Robin Lopez brings to the game

Robin Lopez is a SOLID NBA Center that is quite young and a very reasonable contract, however, he simply is NOT very good or GOOD ENOUGH on any skill, and IMO needs to be in a team stacked with Talent/skills/ versatility on OFF & DEF to be effective


Lopez's is MUCH BIGGER than Noah and is YOUNGER, however, Noah is much more skilled/more mobile *which allows to actually defend better and crash for rebounds (while Lopez can be boxed out easier)
Noah's ability to to finish through contact is actually much better than Lopez, along with the mid range game/POST GAME *while Lopez only has the hook shot IF he can get in good position and was HORRIBLE to watch run the Triangle as he simply does not have the versatile sklls set needed

While Noah is not as BIG as Lopez but has much more versatile skills whether physically or skills, has the ability to finish, actually dribble beat his man of the dribble, to go with his mid range game to utilize his ability to pass/find cuttors as he reads the opponents DEFENSE, and even hit that FIREBALL FT distance shot that is FUGLY but he is very capable of finishing it...

While we do not have Curry, Klay Thompson, or Durant

We do have KP, CA, (also with our 3 draft picks (1 1st and 2 2nd rounders, along with the ability to buy possibly 2 3.2m to use) next year to utilize on a *supposedly pretty strong draft*

Jennings
Lee

Kuzmich

Willy G/Kyle O Quin *would fit greatly and could help improve his game with a player like Noah to guide them, along with our improved roster/talent, especially Kyle O Quin*


Projecting Year 2 Of Kristaps Porzingis
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BY ZACHARY DILUZIO

RealGM Analysis


AUG 19, 2016 8:29 PM


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The traditional downside of playing five shooters together in a small ball lineup is the lack of a true rim protector. Most lineups with five shooters will therefore inevitably give up a lot of points on the other end. Players like Channing Frye and Spencer Hawes are seven footers with legit three point range, but these players generally will not offer the rim protection necessary to excel as a team on the other end of the floor.

The amount of big men who can hit a three-point shot and consistently protect the rim can be counted on one hand. The amount of big men were able to do it in their rookie seasons can be counted on two fingers.

Enter Kristaps Porzingis, a 7'3 freak of nature who can shoot three-pointers and protect the rim.

Despite far exceeding rookie expectations when he was initially perceived as a long-term project, Porzingis still has some limitations as a player. But Porzingis could become a player that we have never seen before - a strange hybrid of Dirk Nowitzki and Kevin Garnett.

On a team loaded with veterans, Porzingis is by far the biggest X-factor when attempting to project the success of the new-look Knicks. What can Porzingis improve on in order to begin grasping his potential as a game-changing two way player?

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Porzingis' primary offensive asset at his size is his shooting ability. His shooting numbers don't particularly jump off the page; his TS%, FG% and 3pt% are all average at best. But some of the best pure shooters of all time posted utterly dismal shooting percentages during their first season in the NBA - Dirk Nowitzki and Jose Calderon both shot under 21 percent from 3 in their rookie seasons. If Porzingis' shooting is analogous to his predecessors, his value as a floor spacer will substantially increase - even with pedestrian percentages last season, opposing teams were afraid to leave him alone to help their teammates defensively. Having a defender glued to Porzingis opens up the middle of the floor for dribble drives, particularly when he acts as the screener in the pick and pop.

Floor spacing is not the only effective use of Porzingis in the pick and roll - he can be a great rim runner as well. When opponents hedge the high pick and roll to try and neuter the typical pick and pop action, Porzingis rolls to the basket, forcing the weakside defender to bump him in order to prevent an open dunk. This sort of gravity generates open three-pointers for teammates despite Porzingis never touching the ball.

With that in mind, it is important to remember that Porzingis played with arguably the least dynamic backcourt in the entire league last season as Jose Calderon and Arron Afflalo averaged only .12 drives to the rim per minute, less than half of what Derrick Rose averaged by himself. With Rose and Brandon Jennings sucking in the defense and kicking the ball out, Porzingis should get plenty of catch-and-shoot looks - looks that were rare during his rookie season. Put Porzingis in place of Pau Gasol on this play, and you can see why the Rose addition will help Porzingis’ shooting efficiency.

Despite all of the positives, Porzingis had a couple of glaring holes in his offensive game. The most conspicuous of these was his finishing in the paint. This was hopefully related to his notably skinny frame and lack of strength. Porzingis was a below average finisher at the rim for a big man, shooting 58% from 0-3 feet, but he truly struggled to make good decisions and power through defenders when he got in the paint, shooting only 36% from 3-10 feet. For Porzingis to take the next step towards becoming an efficient, or even an elite scorer, he will need to improve his strength in the paint along with his finishing moves.

On the mental side of things, Porzingis also had a penchant for excessively difficult shots throughout the season. It's reasonable to assume he did this as a result of being over his head as the second scoring option in his first season, but he will unquestionably need to cut the 30 foot jumpers for the Knicks to perform at their peak.

The second major area in which Porzingis floundered is in the post, an area which he MUST improve. Post up skills can punish defensive switches and allow him to excel in the Triangle offense. Despite scoring surprisingly high .82 points per possession in the post last season, the best method for neutering Kristaps' skillset was guarding him with a wing. Quicker wing players allow for a variety of palatable options for defending a pick and roll with Porzingis involved; this strategy also allows rim protectors to stay in primary help position instead of chasing him on the perimeter. If Porzingis can effectively score against smaller defenders, opposing coaches will have no choice but to guard him with a big man; at that point, Porzingis can take use his quickness to his advantage in the pick and pop game on the perimeter.

Over time, Porzingis showed improvement in his burgeoning post skills by revealing an intriguing face up game. He was able to take advantage of his unblockable shot against smaller players and take advantage of his quickness against big men. Becoming a consistent threat with his back to the basket, however, is what will truly unlock his potential as an offensive game changer. Once he gets to that point, he'll begin to see consistent double teams, which presents another problem.

As the season progressed and the scouting report on Porzingis solidified, teams tested him with double teams down low. He generally struggled in these situations; turnovers and panicked attempts to get rid of the ball allowed teams to get away with contorting their defense with the sole purpose of disrupting his rhythm. He will need to improve his decision making and discipline in these scenarios in order to leverage them to the benefit of his team - fortunately, Carmelo Anthony should have plenty to teach, as he has faced double teams for most of his career.

The final aspect of Porzingis' game that needs to be improved to reach his offensive ceiling is his screening, both on and off ball. At the moment, his screens are pretty weak, if he even makes contact at all. This should improve as he gets stronger, and the newly acquired Joakim Noah should pick up where Robin Lopez left off in Porzingis' education in the finer points of borderline illegal screens. If Porzingis cannot learn to set more effective screens, the Knicks will be substantially easier to defend - especially when he plays center.

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While Porzingis is undoubtedbly a valuable offensive player already, the truly great big men in the NBA are able to play on both ends of the floor. For rookie big men, struggles on defense are common, but remarkably Porzingis was able to have an impact right off the bat.

Among qualifying players, Porzingis ranked 17th in opponent FG% at the rim at 47.7%. His incredible 7'6 wingspan combined with his relative springiness and quickness allows him to be a monstrous obstacle wherever he is on the floor. As shown by players like Kawhi Leonard and Paul George, defensive length is invaluable for making the other team uncomfortable - shrinking passing lanes, lowering the margin of error for ball handlers, and ramping up the difficulty of routine finishes at the rim.

So far, a still unrefined Porzingis has been able to effectively leverage his length to great effect very quickly on the defensive end. Despite his obvious lack of strength, his long arms allow him to bother shots and deny passes that most players couldn't dream of. He averaged 2.4 blocks and just under one steal per 36 minutes, numbers that are staggering for a rookie big man.

Interestingly, Porzingis quickly learned to contest shots at the rim by abusing the concept of verticality. Doing so at such a young age bodes well for his consistency as a rim protector - being too aggressive can result in free throws and a debilitating barrage of personal fouls. Porzingis struggled with foul issues early in the season for precisely this reason.

When Porzingis was in the primary help position, he showed remarkable awareness and timing - here, he recognizes that the gameplan calls for Robin Lopez to shade to the strong side to try and contain Russell Westbrook. When Westbrook makes the correct play to dump the ball to a rolling Steven Adams, Porzingis quickly makes the correct rotation in time to get a good contest on Adams' shot at the rim.

The true rookie mistakes showed themselves in a more subtle manner. Porzingis is still raw defensively, acting mostly on instinct - he occasionally struggled to play within team defensive concepts, and often found himself out of position when he was not directly involved in the play. Naturally, he also displayed some of the typical rookie inconsistency - Porzingis' performance on both ends was extremely variable on a game to game basis.

Porzingis has shown the ability to bridge the gap between helping and overhelping - here he helps perfectly on Jose Calderon's man after Calderon gets stuck on a screen. He contests Bradley's attempted jumper well enough to force a dump off, but Porzingis is ready for this as well, and scampers back in time to cut off an open lane to the hoop.

On other nights, Porzingis looked disinterested and lazy. Fatigue was probably the biggest factor in his up and down performances defensively as this coincided with his precipitous drop in shooting efficiency midseason, but we can't know for sure until he plays a full season.

Porzingis also flounded when attempting to contain smaller players on the perimeter, which provided opponents with a reliable counter when he is played the 4. This was somewhat expected, as he projects as a center in the long term, but wing players could often beat him off the dribble or use a screen to easily generate an open 3 point shot. KP showed some very intriguing flashes of fantastic footwork and agility defending on the perimeter, but for the most part, perimeter players took advantage of him outside the paint.

Fortunately, Porzingis' biggest projected weakness - rebounding - was quickly proven inaccurate. His defensive rebound rate was a serviceable 20.7%, slightly below average for a power forward (LaMarcus Aldridge had a DREB% of 22.2% last season). Porzingis did not feast on uncontested rebounds, either, posting a contested rebound rate of 35.7% (also nearly identical to LaMarcus Aldridge) and an offensive rebound rate of 7% (identical to that of Kevin Love - another big who plays away from the basket on offense). His length and mobility, once again (seeing a theme here?), was his saving grace on the glass.

Despite holding his own most nights - thanks in part to some heavy lifting by Robin Lopez - he clearly struggled with stronger presences on the glass. Some of the better offensive rebounders in the NBA were able to clear space on Porzingis with shockingly little effort.

In the interest of fairness to the aforementioned international scouts who largely ate crow this season, one of Porzingis' weaknesses coming out of Europe was his defense against physical players in the low post. This proved to be largely accurate, as Porzingis was unable to keep stronger post players from tossing him like a rag doll when they got the ball down low.

As he grows stronger and gains a better feel for the game, Porzingis should be able to hold up reasonably well. Realistically, however, physicality down low and on the glass may be the most viable avenue of attack for opponents trying to hamstring lineups with Porzingis playing center.

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Naturally, Porzingis will be extremely hard pressed to improve on most of these issues in one offseason (let alone all of them). But for a player who was assumed to be two years away from being the player we saw last season, the sky truly is the limit. Mere consistency could help catapult the reloaded Knicks into the top of the Eastern conference, assuming (generously) that they stay healthy - a closing lineup of Rose/Lee/Thomas/Melo/Porzingis 2.0 can be a very threatening unit to some of the top teams in the league. But on a team loaded with players either in their prime or well past it, Porzingis will be the biggest factor in whether or not the Knicks finish the season as the Cavs' first round fodder or as a true Eastern Conference contender.

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8/23/2016  5:27 PM    LAST EDITED: 8/23/2016  5:30 PM
KP will have several challenges in his second year. All the result of having a good first year. Teams will be more prepared and have a better idea of his weaknesses. I think teams started making some adjustments in second half, probably main reason his numbers were down. Hopefully he has made additions to his game and improved his strength in order to counter adjustments teams have and will make. It will help to have Rose, Lee, Jennings and Melo on the floor as well. Defenses will be focused on stopping them as well. Will also be interesting to see if teams post him up more down low with bigger 4's and 5's, as it seemed to be a weakness last year. It will be interesting to see. The sophomore year is crucial to see how a player is able to evolve in the league. Can't wait. Think he is ready for challenge.
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8/23/2016  6:39 PM
HofstraBBall wrote:KP will have several challenges in his second year. All the result of having a good first year. Teams will be more prepared and have a better idea of his weaknesses. I think teams started making some adjustments in second half, probably main reason his numbers were down. Hopefully he has made additions to his game and improved his strength in order to counter adjustments teams have and will make. It will help to have Rose, Lee, Jennings and Melo on the floor as well. Defenses will be focused on stopping them as well. Will also be interesting to see if teams post him up more down low with bigger 4's and 5's, as it seemed to be a weakness last year. It will be interesting to see. The sophomore year is crucial to see how a player is able to evolve in the league. Can't wait. Think he is ready for challenge.
I think injuries slowed him down in the second half more than anything. also Kurt Rambis had no idea what he was doing. Now that we have a coach with good experience and KP adding things to his game so I expect a monster year
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8/23/2016  7:48 PM
think Rambis went rogue after fish went rogue and Phil was non verbal???
What have we read:

KP was tired, a bit banged up and perhaps they preferred him on the parameter.
Rambis has been there all season.
I do agree and believe teams had more scouting on him so they had a better read.

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8/23/2016  8:42 PM
IMO talented players like KP who have internal drive with figure out how to be defenders. The kid has all kinds of yet untapped talent. IMO just him growing another year into his frame is going to help him tremendously. He's got that workaholic DNA that great players have and so I actually like his chances of beating the Sophomore jinx.

The kid is a freak of nature. He's also got a great support structure with his family. He beat the odds last year and played WAY above what most thought he'd be able to do in his rookie season. I think having an even better roster around him will help him to excel next season. He can just relax and play his game.

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8/23/2016  9:17 PM
To be super duper basic and simple, I want to say his stats would be nice if he ended up averaging 17 points, 8 rebounds, 1.5 blocks and 45% from the field. That is solid improvement.

In terms of his game, I like that he is working on his ball handling but he still absolutely has to work on his base strength because he still gets screwed up in the post, especially on defense and he still gets pushed when he has the ball.

I absolutely agree that teams probably learned more about him as the season went on and agree that his health declined and those are the two main reasons his production went down significantly.

I have faith in KP. I got a Knicks shirt with his name on the back to prove it.

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8/24/2016  2:18 AM
Allanfan20 wrote:To be super duper basic and simple, I want to say his stats would be nice if he ended up averaging 17 points, 8 rebounds, 1.5 blocks and 45% from the field. That is solid improvement.

In terms of his game, I like that he is working on his ball handling but he still absolutely has to work on his base strength because he still gets screwed up in the post, especially on defense and he still gets pushed when he has the ball.

I absolutely agree that teams probably learned more about him as the season went on and agree that his health declined and those are the two main reasons his production went down significantly.

I have faith in KP. I got a Knicks shirt with his name on the back to prove it.

KP most definitely is working on his base. He said that was the main focus of his strength training.

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8/24/2016  4:12 AM
20 points, 8 rebounds, 2.4 blocks,
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8/24/2016  6:46 AM
Gudris wrote:20 points, 8 rebounds, 2.4 blocks,

Funny, but that is very close to what his per 36 stats were last year.

I think the key to his production will be is he strong enough- not merely physically but endurance wise- to regularly play more minutes every night.

Last year:

14.3 PTS
7.3 TRB
1.3 AST
1.9 BLK

His Per 36:
18.1 PTS
9.3 TRB
1.6 AST
2.4 BLK


I doubt he gets up to 36 minutes a night - but I think long term, you're looking at a player that could eventually be a 26/10 player with 4 AST & 2.5 BLK.

Next year, if everyone stays healthy and things click- I think he gets to maybe 18 PTS 9 TRB 2.5 AST & 2.1 BLK.

More than scoring volume, I'd be happy if he kept his average at the 14-16 range and was simply more efficient.

Especially when you consider we have added some pieces that can score.

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8/24/2016  9:10 AM
With a coach that actually knows how to utilize his roster, that should benefit him big time.
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8/24/2016  9:44 AM
Too many chuckers for him to average 20, so I'll be happy with valuing each shot attempt over volume. If he improves his TS% and efficiency, that's a better barometer than his per game averages.

I'd like for him to up his rebounds, up his assists, up his blocks, and average a healthy steal a game. If he does the little things first, the offense will come later as he continues to mature, and the chuckers are all gone.

Better to be a true 2 way player, a true all around player, then worrying about bucket making in year 2. The true greats of the game work on excelling in all facets of the game, not just putting the ball up.

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8/24/2016  10:28 AM
I think he averages 18 and 8. Melo will get his 21 and 7, something in there. KP will be option 2 because he will get much easier baskets this year. Rose will average 16 and 5, similar to his stats the last couple of years. KP got 14 ppg last season with no dribble penetration or easy dunks. His easiest baskets came from Dad Melo. He had to work for most of his shots with isolation. I see less iso touches this year for him, but much more easy opportunities.
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8/24/2016  12:12 PM
Knixkik wrote:I think he averages 18 and 8. Melo will get his 21 and 7, something in there. KP will be option 2 because he will get much easier baskets this year. Rose will average 16 and 5, similar to his stats the last couple of years. KP got 14 ppg last season with no dribble penetration or easy dunks. His easiest baskets came from Dad Melo. He had to work for most of his shots with isolation. I see less iso touches this year for him, but much more easy opportunities.

what point is there in looking at final points scored anymore? especially if the points are scored on "volume"-- that will mean losses. melo has been a volume scorer his entire career, as has rose. that doesn't work, never has, never will... especially when it's a bad defender we're talking about. you can't have rose be both a volume shooter AND a bad defender.

the main thing is shot distribution and that every player learn to take only good shots. melo usually takes 3-4 bad shots a game, and rose usually takes 3-4 bad shots a game. kp6 seemed to take 2-3 bad shots a game. if they all cut back on taking bad shots that will mean the ball is not sticking, it's moving freely, and the role players will be more involved.

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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8/24/2016  12:15 PM
dk7th wrote:
Knixkik wrote:I think he averages 18 and 8. Melo will get his 21 and 7, something in there. KP will be option 2 because he will get much easier baskets this year. Rose will average 16 and 5, similar to his stats the last couple of years. KP got 14 ppg last season with no dribble penetration or easy dunks. His easiest baskets came from Dad Melo. He had to work for most of his shots with isolation. I see less iso touches this year for him, but much more easy opportunities.

what point is there in looking at final points scored anymore? especially if the points are scored on "volume"-- that will mean losses. melo has been a volume scorer his entire career, as has rose. that doesn't work, never has, never will... especially when it's a bad defender we're talking about. you can't have rose be both a volume shooter AND a bad defender.

the main thing is shot distribution and that every player learn to take only good shots. melo usually takes 3-4 bad shots a game, and rose usually takes 3-4 bad shots a game. kp6 seemed to take 2-3 bad shots a game. if they all cut back on taking bad shots that will mean the ball is not sticking, it's moving freely, and the role players will be more involved.

I don't disagree. How they score points is the most important thing. But i am simply stating a prediction. What does it matter to you what i am predicting?

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8/24/2016  12:26 PM
Knixkik wrote:
dk7th wrote:
Knixkik wrote:I think he averages 18 and 8. Melo will get his 21 and 7, something in there. KP will be option 2 because he will get much easier baskets this year. Rose will average 16 and 5, similar to his stats the last couple of years. KP got 14 ppg last season with no dribble penetration or easy dunks. His easiest baskets came from Dad Melo. He had to work for most of his shots with isolation. I see less iso touches this year for him, but much more easy opportunities.

what point is there in looking at final points scored anymore? especially if the points are scored on "volume"-- that will mean losses. melo has been a volume scorer his entire career, as has rose. that doesn't work, never has, never will... especially when it's a bad defender we're talking about. you can't have rose be both a volume shooter AND a bad defender.

the main thing is shot distribution and that every player learn to take only good shots. melo usually takes 3-4 bad shots a game, and rose usually takes 3-4 bad shots a game. kp6 seemed to take 2-3 bad shots a game. if they all cut back on taking bad shots that will mean the ball is not sticking, it's moving freely, and the role players will be more involved.

I don't disagree. How they score points is the most important thing. But i am simply stating a prediction. What does it matter to you what i am predicting?

your point predictions don't matter to me, but you have struck me as someone who doesn't mind volume and ignores advanced stats. maybe i'm wrong.

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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8/24/2016  12:30 PM
dk7th wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
dk7th wrote:
Knixkik wrote:I think he averages 18 and 8. Melo will get his 21 and 7, something in there. KP will be option 2 because he will get much easier baskets this year. Rose will average 16 and 5, similar to his stats the last couple of years. KP got 14 ppg last season with no dribble penetration or easy dunks. His easiest baskets came from Dad Melo. He had to work for most of his shots with isolation. I see less iso touches this year for him, but much more easy opportunities.

what point is there in looking at final points scored anymore? especially if the points are scored on "volume"-- that will mean losses. melo has been a volume scorer his entire career, as has rose. that doesn't work, never has, never will... especially when it's a bad defender we're talking about. you can't have rose be both a volume shooter AND a bad defender.

the main thing is shot distribution and that every player learn to take only good shots. melo usually takes 3-4 bad shots a game, and rose usually takes 3-4 bad shots a game. kp6 seemed to take 2-3 bad shots a game. if they all cut back on taking bad shots that will mean the ball is not sticking, it's moving freely, and the role players will be more involved.

I don't disagree. How they score points is the most important thing. But i am simply stating a prediction. What does it matter to you what i am predicting?

your point predictions don't matter to me, but you have struck me as someone who doesn't mind volume and ignores advanced stats. maybe i'm wrong.

What are your advanced stat projections for Porzingis year 2?
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8/24/2016  12:37 PM
dk7th wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
dk7th wrote:
Knixkik wrote:I think he averages 18 and 8. Melo will get his 21 and 7, something in there. KP will be option 2 because he will get much easier baskets this year. Rose will average 16 and 5, similar to his stats the last couple of years. KP got 14 ppg last season with no dribble penetration or easy dunks. His easiest baskets came from Dad Melo. He had to work for most of his shots with isolation. I see less iso touches this year for him, but much more easy opportunities.

what point is there in looking at final points scored anymore? especially if the points are scored on "volume"-- that will mean losses. melo has been a volume scorer his entire career, as has rose. that doesn't work, never has, never will... especially when it's a bad defender we're talking about. you can't have rose be both a volume shooter AND a bad defender.

the main thing is shot distribution and that every player learn to take only good shots. melo usually takes 3-4 bad shots a game, and rose usually takes 3-4 bad shots a game. kp6 seemed to take 2-3 bad shots a game. if they all cut back on taking bad shots that will mean the ball is not sticking, it's moving freely, and the role players will be more involved.

I don't disagree. How they score points is the most important thing. But i am simply stating a prediction. What does it matter to you what i am predicting?

your point predictions don't matter to me, but you have struck me as someone who doesn't mind volume and ignores advanced stats. maybe i'm wrong.

I like a healthy dose of both to be honest. I don't think it's good to put too much stock in 1 particular area.

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8/24/2016  1:32 PM
ChuckBuck wrote:Too many chuckers for him to average 20, so I'll be happy with valuing each shot attempt over volume. If he improves his TS% and efficiency, that's a better barometer than his per game averages.

I'd like for him to up his rebounds, up his assists, up his blocks, and average a healthy steal a game. If he does the little things first, the offense will come later as he continues to mature, and the chuckers are all gone.

Better to be a true 2 way player, a true all around player, then worrying about bucket making in year 2. The true greats of the game work on excelling in all facets of the game, not just putting the ball up.

Where are the chuckers on this roster, are you talking about Melo and Rose,2 players who have been playing with avg to below avg talent around them. You only chuck, when everyone around you sucks.

Every one on the Olympic team chucks because they are the best players on their respective team. When you surrounded by talent, you eventually come to the realization that you don't have to shoot as much, which rose has said a 100 times since the trade.

If you rotate your scorers correctly, they will have opportunities. Unlike fisher and rambis who would take out kp, melo, and afflalo all at once, which was flat out stupid.

There isn't a person on this board that would continue to pass the ball if there teammates continue to brick shots and turn the ball over

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8/24/2016  1:40 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:Too many chuckers for him to average 20, so I'll be happy with valuing each shot attempt over volume. If he improves his TS% and efficiency, that's a better barometer than his per game averages.

I'd like for him to up his rebounds, up his assists, up his blocks, and average a healthy steal a game. If he does the little things first, the offense will come later as he continues to mature, and the chuckers are all gone.

Better to be a true 2 way player, a true all around player, then worrying about bucket making in year 2. The true greats of the game work on excelling in all facets of the game, not just putting the ball up.

Where are the chuckers on this roster, are you talking about Melo and Rose,2 players who have been playing with avg to below avg talent around them. You only chuck, when everyone around you sucks.

Every one on the Olympic team chucks because they are the best players on their respective team. When you surrounded by talent, you eventually come to the realization that you don't have to shoot as much, which rose has said a 100 times since the trade.

If you rotate your scorers correctly, they will have opportunities. Unlike fisher and rambis who would take out kp, melo, and afflalo all at once, which was flat out stupid.

There isn't a person on this board that would continue to pass the ball if there teammates continue to brick shots and turn the ball over

so it's a safe bet you would agree that neither melo or rose makes others around him better? can't have it both ways.

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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dk7th wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:Too many chuckers for him to average 20, so I'll be happy with valuing each shot attempt over volume. If he improves his TS% and efficiency, that's a better barometer than his per game averages.

I'd like for him to up his rebounds, up his assists, up his blocks, and average a healthy steal a game. If he does the little things first, the offense will come later as he continues to mature, and the chuckers are all gone.

Better to be a true 2 way player, a true all around player, then worrying about bucket making in year 2. The true greats of the game work on excelling in all facets of the game, not just putting the ball up.

Where are the chuckers on this roster, are you talking about Melo and Rose,2 players who have been playing with avg to below avg talent around them. You only chuck, when everyone around you sucks.

Every one on the Olympic team chucks because they are the best players on their respective team. When you surrounded by talent, you eventually come to the realization that you don't have to shoot as much, which rose has said a 100 times since the trade.

If you rotate your scorers correctly, they will have opportunities. Unlike fisher and rambis who would take out kp, melo, and afflalo all at once, which was flat out stupid.

There isn't a person on this board that would continue to pass the ball if there teammates continue to brick shots and turn the ball over

so it's a safe bet you would agree that neither melo or rose makes others around him better? can't have it both ways.

How exactly do you make you teammates better other than giving them the ball when the defense converges on you, and if you they aren't making wide open shots (like Novak did) or getting open, what else can you do.

You have to be a flat out leader in order to make your teammates better, because it starts in building their confidence.

Melo and Rose have not been leaders, not their personality.

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