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holfresh
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7/24/2016 10:30 AM
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Uptown
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7/24/2016 11:13 AM LAST EDITED: 7/24/2016 11:14 AM
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holfresh
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7/24/2016 2:31 PM LAST EDITED: 7/24/2016 2:31 PM
So let's jump into conspiracy theory full bore:
Washington Post reports over a month that the Russians hacked into the DNC.. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/russian-government-hackers-penetrated-dnc-stole-opposition-research-on-trump/2016/06/14/cf006cb4-316e-11e6-8ff7-7b6c1998b7a0_story.html Trump's campaign chair Paul Manifold had worked on the campaign of pro-Russian politicians in the Ukraine and help with elections in the Ukraine over the last decade... http://www.politifact.com/global-news/article/2016/may/02/paul-manafort-donald-trumps-top-adviser-and-his-ti/ |
newyorknewyork
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7/24/2016 4:00 PM
https://vote.nba.com/en Vote for your Knicks.
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arkrud
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7/24/2016 5:29 PM
holfresh wrote:So let's jump into conspiracy theory full bore: Trump is no doubt KGB agent. "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet
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WaltLongmire
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7/24/2016 6:18 PM LAST EDITED: 7/24/2016 8:00 PM
holfresh wrote:So let's jump into conspiracy theory full bore: The timing of the dump is more than coincidental... my feeling is that once Trump got the Republican platform altered to favor Putin, there was a quid pro quo between Trump and the old KGB man, Putin. I remember when we first heard about this stuff, and I wondered why it was not released immediately...thought that was strange. Also remember some strange comment from somewhere about the Russians hacking into the DNC server so they could find out stuff about Trump to see how he would stand on things if elected. Always thought this was BS, and waiting to release this stuff AFTER the Rep Convention and before the Dem Convention, and Trump talking about things being "rigged" for Hillary, tells me that the Trump campaign had advanced info. Also have the changes made in the Republican platform relating to the Ukraine. One of Trump's other guys has a lot of money tied up with Russia. There is a feeling that this might be a reason Trump won't put out his tax returns...might show him getting some money from the wrong sources.
From one of Bush's supporters! http://www.weeklystandard.com/putins-party/article/2003473#.V5UOw918mwx.twitter
EnySpree: Can we agree to agree not to mention Phil Jackson and triangle for the rest of our lives?
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WaltLongmire
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7/24/2016 6:26 PM
newyorknewyork wrote: Is there a date for this. One of the greatest failed theory is trickle down economics. It simply does not work because profits go to top executives and "reinvestment" is frequently done overseas on the backs of an exploited working class. Boggles the mind that this theory has traction, still, and the sad thing is that the 1% manages to create conflict between groups of people who should be working together to get a larger piece of the pie. Reminds you of what the wealthy Southern whites did after the Civil war to pit poor whites vs freed slaves. Today you see folks use religion and nationalism to do it in this country.
EnySpree: Can we agree to agree not to mention Phil Jackson and triangle for the rest of our lives?
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holfresh
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7/24/2016 6:53 PM LAST EDITED: 7/24/2016 6:54 PM
WaltLongmire wrote:newyorknewyork wrote: It's total BS and has always been...Finding a way to get rich folks more money isn't a way to create jobs...Innovation creates jobs...That money is better suited in new startup hands than the legacy businesses..Apple has 233 BILLION cash on hand..Microsoft has 117 BILLION cash on hand..They have no clue what to do with all that money...The smartest guys in the room just know how to build phones and OS...The argument now is to find a way for them to repatriate the money under a lower tax regime...Foreign Exchange fluctuations are killing them... |
meloshouldgo
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7/24/2016 6:53 PM LAST EDITED: 7/24/2016 6:56 PM
The DNC is a putrid filthy mess. Bernie wasn't allowed to win, there's plenty of articles that document how much poll fixing happened in the democratic primaries. And Hillary is the flag bearer of everything that's rigged, corrupt and shady about the Democratic party.
The resignation of the chairperson just bookends the corrupt campaign. I am horrified by our choices this November. Pathetic. I cannot teach anybody anything. I can only try to make them think - Socrates
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meloshouldgo
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7/24/2016 6:56 PM
holfresh wrote:WaltLongmire wrote:newyorknewyork wrote: Totally agree with your post and that guy's take on trickle down economics. I cannot teach anybody anything. I can only try to make them think - Socrates
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holfresh
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7/24/2016 6:56 PM
meloshouldgo wrote:The DNC is a putrid filthy mess. Bernie wasn't allowed to win, there's plenty of articles that document how much poll fixing happened in the democratic primaries. And Hillary is the flag bearer of everything that's rigged, corrupt and shady about the Democratic party. Poll fixing??..I must have missed that..Any links??? |
meloshouldgo
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7/24/2016 6:57 PM
Yeah you Google them if you want.
I cannot teach anybody anything. I can only try to make them think - Socrates
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arkrud
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7/24/2016 7:03 PM LAST EDITED: 7/24/2016 7:05 PM
meloshouldgo wrote:The DNC is a putrid filthy mess. Bernie wasn't allowed to win, there's plenty of articles that document how much poll fixing happened in the democratic primaries. And Hillary is the flag bearer of everything that's rigged, corrupt and shady about the Democratic party. The approach should be simple, if dems control senate vote president republican and vice versa. And about Bernie I was leaving in the country running by a bunch Bernies starting with Lenin and Stalin. "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet
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meloshouldgo
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7/24/2016 7:08 PM
meloshouldgo wrote:Yeah you Google them if you want. Start with this among many many others I cannot teach anybody anything. I can only try to make them think - Socrates
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holfresh
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7/24/2016 7:35 PM LAST EDITED: 7/24/2016 7:37 PM
meloshouldgo wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:Yeah you Google them if you want. I did look it up and couldn't find any..So if the polls get it wrong then it's fraud?..I don't understand how influencing a poll helps your cause..People won't show up to vote??..Doesn't that run a risk of your people thinking that you will win anyway and don't show up either??..Brexit polls got it wrong... |
Knickoftime
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7/24/2016 7:37 PM
meloshouldgo wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:Yeah you Google them if you want. http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/ten-reasons-why-you-should-ignore-exit/ |
misterearl
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7/25/2016 8:15 AM LAST EDITED: 7/25/2016 8:16 AM
"If Donald Trump is not a racist, why do racists support him?" - DL Hughley
Sincerely, The Answer Man once a knick always a knick
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holfresh
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7/25/2016 9:54 AM
Warning: NY Times hit piece...
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/24/opinion/sunday/is-donald-trump-a-racist.html?_r=0 HAS the party of Lincoln just nominated a racist to be president? We shouldn’t toss around such accusations lightly, so I’ve looked back over more than 40 years of Donald Trump’s career to see what the record says. One early red flag arose in 1973, when President Richard Nixon’s Justice Department — not exactly the radicals of the day — sued Trump and his father, Fred Trump, for systematically discriminating against blacks in housing rentals. I’ve waded through 1,021 pages of documents from that legal battle, and they are devastating. Donald Trump was then president of the family real estate firm, and the government amassed overwhelming evidence that the company had a policy of discriminating against blacks, including those serving in the military. To prove the discrimination, blacks were repeatedly dispatched as testers to Trump apartment buildings to inquire about vacancies, and white testers were sent soon after. Repeatedly, the black person was told that nothing was available, while the white tester was shown apartments for immediate rental. A former building superintendent working for the Trumps explained that he was told to code any application by a black person with the letter C, for colored, apparently so the office would know to reject it. A Trump rental agent said the Trumps wanted to rent only to “Jews and executives,” and discouraged renting to blacks. Donald Trump furiously fought the civil rights suit in the courts and the media, but the Trumps eventually settled on terms that were widely regarded as a victory for the government. Three years later, the government sued the Trumps again, for continuing to discriminate. In fairness, those suits date from long ago, and the discriminatory policies were probably put in place not by Donald Trump but by his father. Fred Trump appears to have been arrested at a Ku Klux Klan rally in 1927; Woody Guthrie, who lived in a Trump property in the 1950s, lambasted Fred Trump in recently discovered papers for stirring racial hatred. Yet even if Donald Trump inherited his firm’s discriminatory policies, he allied himself decisively in the 1970s housing battle against the civil rights movement. Another revealing moment came in 1989, when New York City was convulsed by the “Central Park jogger” case, a rape and beating of a young white woman. Five black and Latino teenagers were arrested.
As Trump moved into casinos, discrimination followed. In the 1980s, according to a former Trump casino worker, Kip Brown, who was quoted by The New Yorker: “When Donald and Ivana came to the casino, the bosses would order all the black people off the floor. … They put us all in the back.” In 1991, a book by John O’Donnell, who had been president of the Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino in Atlantic City, quoted Trump as criticizing a black accountant and saying: “Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day. … I think that the guy is lazy. And it’s probably not his fault, because laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that. It’s not anything they can control.” O’Donnell wrote that for months afterward, Trump pressed him to fire the black accountant, until the man resigned of his own accord. Trump eventually denied making those comments. But in 1997 in a Playboy interview, he conceded “the stuff O’Donnell wrote about me is probably true.” The recent record may be more familiar: Trump’s suggestions that President Obama was born in Kenya; his insinuations that Obama was admitted to Ivy League schools only because of affirmative action; his denunciations of Mexican immigrants as, “in many cases, criminals, drug dealers, rapists”; his calls for a temporary ban on Muslims entering the United States; his dismissal of an American-born judge of Mexican ancestry as a Mexican who cannot fairly hear his case; his reluctance to distance himself from the Ku Klux Klan in a television interview; his retweet of a graphic suggesting that 81 percent of white murder victims are killed by blacks (the actual figure is about 15 percent); and so on. Trump has also retweeted messages from white supremacists or Nazi sympathizers, including two from an account called @WhiteGenocideTM with a photo of the American Nazi Party’s founder. Trump repeatedly and vehemently denies any racism, and he has deleted some offensive tweets. The Daily Stormer, a neo-Nazi racist website that has endorsed Trump, sees that as going “full-wink-wink-wink.” (Update: After this column was published, the Trump campaign emailed me the following statement: “Donald Trump has a lifetime record of inclusion and has publicly rebuked groups who seek to discriminate against others on numerous occasions. To suggest otherwise is a complete fabrication of the truth.”) My view is that “racist” can be a loaded word, a conversation stopper more than a clarifier, and that we should be careful not to use it simply as an epithet. Moreover, Muslims and Latinos can be of any race, so some of those statements technically reflect not so much racism as bigotry. It’s also true that with any single statement, it is possible that Trump misspoke or was misconstrued. And yet. Here we have a man who for more than four decades has been repeatedly associated with racial discrimination or bigoted comments about minorities, some of them made on television for all to see. While any one episode may be ambiguous, what emerges over more than four decades is a narrative arc, a consistent pattern — and I don’t see what else to call it but racism. |
arkrud
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7/25/2016 10:02 AM
misterearl wrote:"If Donald Trump is not a racist, why do racists support him?" - DL Hughley I am not supporting Trump but I will fight for people in America to have complete freedom to support him. "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet
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