fishmike wrote:good writeup. The grade is premature because we simply don't have any way of measuring the success at this point. In a week from now if we sign a high caliber FA who says he was enticed to play with the core of Rose/Melo/KP than the deal gets and A. If Rose is an all star and the Knicks are a 45 win playoff team its an A. There are many factors that could swing it to an F.

On paper if you MUST give it a grade C seems fair as its probably a lateral move, but really any grade is premature. In any case best of luck with the writing. Tough field.

This depends on how you're grading. If you grading on the merits of the trade or the results. Obviously that is 2 different timeframes. The current answer IMO is a Knicks Win. We'll find out about the future component after we see the results at the end of next season. For right now Rose changes the balance and functionality of this team based on the stated goals of Phil and Hornacek. RoLo does not do that for the Bulls. The Knicks are simply filling in a C and SG to round out a starting 5. RoLo doesn't change the very huge questions for the Bulls. The finals judgement on the actual results will come later.

Gudris wrote:We will see answer when season starts :)

By the way , anybody knows when they publish schedule for next season ? im from Latvia and want to plan my trip to see first game in Garden

knicks vs. OKC??? any thoughts on Sabonis?

JrZyHuStLa wrote:Very nice post. Good luck with your writing.

Briggs is just mad you didn't post a YouTube highlight video of the guy we should be taking with Chicago's 2nd round pick (who I assure you won't even last more than a season in the league).

Thanks for the first sentence.

But don't you think it's a bit premature and ignorant to assume for no particular reason that the 2nd round pick wont amount to anything? I mean geez, I could easily say "I assure you he'll become the next Draymond Green or Isaiah Thomas or Manu Ginobili".

You don't know, I don't know. But it's a valuable asset to have in a stacked draft class. If it's in the low 30's or high 40's I ASSURE you you'll be changing your tune, because that's a non-guaranteed contract on the cheap that COULD turn out to be a rotation player. You never know.

home33 wrote:But don't you think it's a bit premature and ignorant to assume for no particular reason that the 2nd round pick wont amount to anything?

History teaches us its a (very) statistically sound conclusion. It's not absolute, but the odds are the odds.

If Vegas offers you anywhere close to even money on a second round pick having a career, pick against and bet everything you have. Your investment would be sounder than a blue chip dividend stocks.

For real.

You don't know, I don't know. But it's a valuable asset to have in a stacked draft class. If it's in the low 30's or high 40's I ASSURE you you'll be changing your tune, because that's a non-guaranteed contract on the cheap that COULD turn out to be a rotation player. You never know.

Yup, you never know. But guess 'won't amount to anything', you'll be right 90% of the time.

You grade trades by the value of the players and assets involved. Rose Value was crap because he played like crap and is being paid a lot of money. Lopez value was good to great because he has been healthy, plays well, and can adapt to different systems. Grant was a former 1st rd pick and teams usually give rookies a pass if they didn't play well and unlike Rose, Grant genuinely upped his game after the ASB. Calderon is Calderon.

Who the heck was the Knicks bidding against that they had to include two 1st rd caliber assets for a player who under performed the last few years? The knicks lose imho because they do not value their assets and fall into the same trap every trade by trying to unload a contract instead of waiting a year. They did it with Tyson when they added Felton. They did it with Shump when they added JR, even though JR was the best player in the trade. Phil has not learned his lesson and has been in win now mode only to lose later because he is not a good PBO.

At the same time, we are certainly in win-now mode if we get into the playoffs and appear to have enough to contend for ECF.

Managing flux is Phil and Horny's job. It will be a fun ride.

The best part: our recent moves have dramatically increased our flexibility, which is a perfect match for managing flux.

jrodmc wrote:Excellent write up and even snappier responses. Nice job, newbie!

One question, are we closer now to the playoffs with DRose, Holiday and a 2nd rounder than we obviously weren't with Rolo (who I loved and appreciated all season as a Knick) and Grant? Just asking.

And ChuckBuck saying "win/win" about a Knick's trade that doesn't involve Melo?
This thread has invaluable contributions to the board just having that singular event in it.

Not everything revolves around your lord and savior.

mreinman wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:Anyone catch the Begley tweet?
Durant called the Knicks a good team now with Rose. Likes Rose, Melo, KP. If a superstar free agent now looks at the team differently, what does that say? Dwight Howard also wants to get in on the Knicks. Sure maybe we do not want Dwight. Sure Durant will probably not become a Knick this summer. This trade has put the Knicks in a different position than a year ago. We are now in win now mode. Melo has at most 3 good years left. Time to try and make a run.

its says a lot if he is not just saying it and he comes here.

it also says a lot even if he doesn't come here but really thinks the Knicks are now a good team- improved with the Rose trade