http://www.chicagonow.com/chicago-bulls-confidential/2016/02/derrick-rose-attack-mode/

Here is a snippet from the article.

Not only is he attempting more-or-less, the same amount of shots close to the basket, he's attempting more shots in the mid-range area (11-14 ft) in January than his season average. Per NBA.com SportVU data, Rose averages 9.3 drives per game, but over the month of January, that number has dipped slightly to 9.0. His average speed on offense over the course of the season is 4.62 miles per hour, but only 4.51 mph in January. Rose isn't attacking with more aggression or speed or explosiveness. He's just started making his shots.

Bringing his restricted area shooting percentage up from 48.9 to 59.5 during the month, Rose has regained his scoring ability because of his ability to convert closer to the basket. That comes from a bit more shiftiness and explosiveness in the air, not because he has amped up the attempts.

What Rose is doing differently is attacking the defense earlier in the shot clock. According to the below chart (based on SportVU shooting data) Rose is taking a higher frequency of shots early in the shot clock, where he has a better chance of scoring.

Based on his scoring percentages, Rose field goal percentage drops as the clock goes down, so getting more shots up earlier, helps his efficiency. Sure, he's finishing at higher rates overall, but he's giving himself better looks by taking early offense to heart.

Closer to the start of the season, Coach Hoiberg was challenging Rose to get the ball across half court with at least 21 seconds on the shot clock. At first, he might get across half court with 21 seconds on the shot clock, but would then dribble a few times and wait to set up a half-court set. That was not the point. The point was to initiate offense and attack the defense before they had a chance to set up. Eventually, it clicked. He's done a better job attacking full-court, in transition -- not just getting across half-court by the 21-second mark, but getting all the way to the basket by 18 or so.

NardDogNation wrote:Yeah, let's ignore that this article was written on February 3rd....and that the season ended in April. Because what he did for a month and a half was far more important than the season in its entirety.

He actually did play better and more efficiently as the year progressed. If you look at the season he did start to improve starting in January.

DATE	 Games MIN   FGM-FGA   FG%   3PM-3PA  3P%   FTM-FTA  FT%   REB  AST  BLK  STL  PF   TO   PTS
November 10    32.7  5.4-15.3  .353  0.6-2.6  .231  1.9-2.4  .792  3.9  6.3  0.5  0.6  1.3  2.3  13.3
December 14    32.9  6.4-15.4  .414  0.7-2.5  .286  1.9-2.8  .667  3.3  4.4  0.2  0.6  1.6  2.7  15.3
January  13    30.4  7.4-15.7  .471  0.5-1.8  .292  2.3-2.4  .968  3.2  3.3  0.2  0.5  1.5  2.5  17.6
February  8    33.1  8.5-19.4  .439  0.8-2.4  .316  4.1-4.9  .846  5.6  6.0  0.1  0.9  1.6  3.3  21.9
March    15    30.0  7.1-15.3  .461  1.0-2.5  .405  1.5-2.1  .710  2.6  4.5  0.1  0.7  0.7  2.5  16.6
April     3    34.3  5.7-15.0  .378  0.0-1.7  .000  1.7-2.0  .833  3.3  4.7  0.0  1.0  0.3  3.0  13.0

EwingsGlass wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:Yeah, let's ignore that this article was written on February 3rd....and that the season ended in April. Because what he did for a month and a half was far more important than the season in its entirety.

Let's not ignore it. Give me your analysis of his performance after January. Or you can just cast sardonic slings like your posts like this which carry zero meaning.

The article clearly mentions his terrible performance for the first 2 months.

Weight the information however you wish. Discount it to zero because it ignores the last three months of the season. But to give just a blanket statement that it is worthless is actually worse.

I saw how old it was and weighted the information. The question for me is whether he had any setbacks after that date. I don't know.

For me, the meaning is a statement of his athleticism. System play, odd team chemistry and other things can cause a lot of issues. Things that were assists with Noah may have been TOs with anyone else. But, if he had his athleticism back, I am betting on him.

Does he have his step back or not?

During the draft they had a graphic that showed Rose's average of points-in-the-paint per month during the season. The thing looked exactly like a bell-curve with the peak being around January-February and completely bottomed out by the end of the season. I tried finding a clip of it on Youtube or a snapshot of it on Google Images but was not successful. In any case, I think it's kind of disingenious to post a thread praising Derrick's "improvement" without acknowledging that the evidence being used was only 2 months into the season and that he seemed to flatline as a penetrator (his bread and butter) as the season went along from that point.

In any case, I'm not going to bother commenting on how awful a trade this was. I kind of feel that I stated my peace and hope that I'm wrong. So feel free to continue feeding into the hype; this might be the only feel-good period we'll have during Rose's tenure in New York. Shalom.

NardDogNation wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:Yeah, let's ignore that this article was written on February 3rd....and that the season ended in April. Because what he did for a month and a half was far more important than the season in its entirety.

Let's not ignore it. Give me your analysis of his performance after January. Or you can just cast sardonic slings like your posts like this which carry zero meaning.

The article clearly mentions his terrible performance for the first 2 months.

Weight the information however you wish. Discount it to zero because it ignores the last three months of the season. But to give just a blanket statement that it is worthless is actually worse.

I saw how old it was and weighted the information. The question for me is whether he had any setbacks after that date. I don't know.

For me, the meaning is a statement of his athleticism. System play, odd team chemistry and other things can cause a lot of issues. Things that were assists with Noah may have been TOs with anyone else. But, if he had his athleticism back, I am betting on him.

Does he have his step back or not?

During the draft they had a graphic that showed Rose's average of points-in-the-paint per month during the season. The thing looked exactly like a bell-curve with the peak being around January-February and completely bottomed out by the end of the season. I tried finding a clip of it on Youtube or a snapshot of it on Google Images but was not successful. In any case, I think it's kind of disingenious to post a thread praising Derrick's "improvement" without acknowledging that the evidence being used was only 2 months into the season and that he seemed to flatline as a penetrator (his bread and butter) as the season went along from that point.

In any case, I'm not going to bother commenting on how awful a trade this was. I kind of feel that I stated my peace and hope that I'm wrong. So feel free to continue feeding into the hype; this might be the only feel-good period we'll have during Rose's tenure in New York. Shalom.

The thing is nothing is guaranteed but this summer Rose is not coming off of a surgery and an Orbital Fracture!!! So he's got a full summer to work on his conditioning and hopefully he comes into the season much stronger than last year. That's not hard to understand if you use simple logic.

NardDogNation wrote:

VCoug wrote:If only there was someway to look at what Rose's FG% was at the rim for the rest of the year after January:

February: http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201565/stats/shooting/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Month=5 50% within 5ft of the basekt; 52% in the restricted area

March: http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201565/stats/shooting/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Month=6 48% within 5ft of the basekt; 46% in the restricted area

April: http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201565/stats/shooting/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Month=7 30% within 5ft; 25% in the restricted area

Serious question, is that encouraging? Not trying to be a smart ass but I'm just curious. Maybe I'm being a little jaded but this improvement (from God awful) seemed to only occur over 28-36 games. I don't find this to be terribly encouraging when you consider the market at PG, what we gave up and where we want this team to be.

We gave up RoLo! As good as he was he is replaceable. We needed a PG more than we needed RoLo.

Rose fits where this team wants to go as long as he's healthy. Right now he's healthy and hopefully he remains so.

NardDogNation wrote:

nixluva wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

VCoug wrote:If only there was someway to look at what Rose's FG% was at the rim for the rest of the year after January:

February: http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201565/stats/shooting/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Month=5 50% within 5ft of the basekt; 52% in the restricted area

March: http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201565/stats/shooting/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Month=6 48% within 5ft of the basekt; 46% in the restricted area

April: http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201565/stats/shooting/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Month=7 30% within 5ft; 25% in the restricted area

Serious question, is that encouraging? Not trying to be a smart ass but I'm just curious. Maybe I'm being a little jaded but this improvement (from God awful) seemed to only occur over 28-36 games. I don't find this to be terribly encouraging when you consider the market at PG, what we gave up and where we want this team to be.

What Market at PG??? Pretty much the "market" is Conley. A lot of the other PG's are OK but not what you'd call high upside guys.

We gave up RoLo! As good as he was he is replaceable. We needed a PG more than we needed RoLo.

Rose fits where this team wants to go as long as he's healthy. Right now he's healthy and hopefully he remains so.

You win bro. But lets check back in at the end of the season to see if any of this holds true.

I can understand having doubts but for me you don't lose your skill due to simply to having ACL or Meniscus surgery. You lose it due to not having proper time to prepare and work on your conditioning, skills and timing. Rose is trying to get his skills back to an acceptable level. If he's not having knee pain and can play then he's gonna be able to work on and refine his skills. That's what he's doing this summer. So IMO it's not about talent as much as it is building up his conditioning and working on his skills.

VCoug wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

VCoug wrote:If only there was someway to look at what Rose's FG% was at the rim for the rest of the year after January:

February: http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201565/stats/shooting/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Month=5 50% within 5ft of the basekt; 52% in the restricted area

March: http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201565/stats/shooting/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Month=6 48% within 5ft of the basekt; 46% in the restricted area

April: http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201565/stats/shooting/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Month=7 30% within 5ft; 25% in the restricted area

Serious question, is that encouraging? Not trying to be a smart ass but I'm just curious. Maybe I'm being a little jaded but this improvement (from God awful) seemed to only occur over 28-36 games. I don't find this to be terribly encouraging when you consider the market at PG, what we gave up and where we want this team to be.

Fuck no, it's terrible. I'll have to try and find it again but I believe a league average player shoots 60%+ when shooting at the rim. Rose has been awful for 4 years now and nothing he did last year suggests he's getting better.

Derrick Rose January
Shot Type Detail	        FGM	FGA	FG%
Cutting Layup Shot	        3	4	75.0
Driving Bank shot	        1	1	100
Driving Finger Roll Layup Shot	4	4	100
Driving Floating Jump Shot	3	5	60.0
Driving Hook Shot	        1	1	100
Driving Layup Shot	        28	40	70.0
Driving Reverse Layup Shot	2	3	66.7
Fadeaway Bank shot	        2	2	100
Floating Jump shot	        7	11	63.6
Jump Bank Shot	                4	8	50.0
Jump Shot	                13	63	20.6
Layup Shot	                5	16	31.3
Pullup Bank shot	        2	4	50.0
Pullup Jump shot	        6	14	42.9
Running Finger Roll Layup Shot	0	1	0.0

Running Jump Shot	        3	7	42.9
Running Layup Shot	        3	7	42.9
Running Pull-Up Jump Shot	1	1	100
Step Back Bank Jump Shot	1	1	100
Step Back Jump shot	        3	6	50.0
Turnaround Fadeaway shot	1	1	100
Turnaround Hook Shot	        1	1	100
Turnaround Jump Shot	        2	3	66.7
Derrick Rose February
Shot Type Detail	        FGM	FGA	FG%	
Driving Bank shot	        1	1	100
Driving Finger Roll Layup Shot	2	3	66.7
Driving Floating Jump Shot	1	1	100
Driving Layup Shot	        11	19	57.9
Driving Reverse Layup Shot	1	1	100
Floating Jump shot	        9	18	50.0
Fadeaway Bank shot	        0	1	0.0
Fadeaway Jump Shot	        0	2	0.0
Jump Bank Shot	                6	11	54.5
Jump Shot	                21	61	34.4
Layup Shot	                3	13	23.1
Pullup Bank shot	        1	2	50.0
Pullup Jump shot	        1	5	20.0
Reverse Layup Shot	        1	1	100
Running Jump Shot	        1	2	50.0
Running Layup Shot	        3	3	100
Running Pull-Up Jump Shot	1	1	100
Step Back Bank Jump Shot	1	2	50.0
Step Back Jump shot	        1	2	50.0
Tip Layup Shot	                1	1	100
Turnaround Jump Shot	        2	2	100	
Derrick Rose March
Shot Type Detail	        FGM	FGA	FG%
Driving Bank shot	        2	2	100
Driving Finger Roll Layup Shot	4	6	66.7
Driving Floating Bank Jump Shot	1	2	50.0
Driving Floating Jump Shot	5	10	50.0
Driving Hook Shot	        1	1	100
Driving Layup Shot	        20	41	48.8
Driving Reverse Layup Shot	5	8	62.5
Dunk Shot	                1	1	100
Fadeaway Bank shot	        1	1	100
Fadeaway Jump Shot	        3	3	100
Floating Jump shot	        7	10	70.0
Jump Bank Shot	                1	2	50.0
Jump Shot	                30	86	34.9
Layup Shot	                1	13	7.7
Pullup Bank shot	        1	3	33.3
Pullup Jump shot	        10	19	52.6
Reverse Layup Shot	        2	3	66.7
Running Jump Shot	        2	4	50.0
Running Layup Shot	        4	4	100
Running Reverse Layup Shot	0	1	0.0
Step Back Jump shot	        5	7	71.4

VCoug wrote:

nixluva wrote:

VCoug wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

VCoug wrote:If only there was someway to look at what Rose's FG% was at the rim for the rest of the year after January:

February: http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201565/stats/shooting/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Month=5 50% within 5ft of the basekt; 52% in the restricted area

March: http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201565/stats/shooting/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Month=6 48% within 5ft of the basekt; 46% in the restricted area

April: http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201565/stats/shooting/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Month=7 30% within 5ft; 25% in the restricted area

Serious question, is that encouraging? Not trying to be a smart ass but I'm just curious. Maybe I'm being a little jaded but this improvement (from God awful) seemed to only occur over 28-36 games. I don't find this to be terribly encouraging when you consider the market at PG, what we gave up and where we want this team to be.

Fuck no, it's terrible. I'll have to try and find it again but I believe a league average player shoots 60%+ when shooting at the rim. Rose has been awful for 4 years now and nothing he did last year suggests he's getting better.

I really want to help everyone get the clearest idea of what Rose was doing offensively and the NBA.com Stats are EXTREMELY detailed. So here we have the 3 months where Rose showed improvement and just so we're clear i'm suggesting that he can be better than this after a full summer of work and no surgery. He has to improve no doubt but he was not as bad as many are trying to make it out to be. Only when you add in the rough 2 months at the start does it really skew the numbers badly. Note that the Jump Shots include 3's so it looks worse than it is. Just check his 3pt % separately. He's not a great shooter but he was better from 3 in March.

Derrick Rose January
Shot Type Detail	        FGM	FGA	FG%
Cutting Layup Shot	        3	4	75.0
Driving Bank shot	        1	1	100
Driving Finger Roll Layup Shot	4	4	100
Driving Floating Jump Shot	3	5	60.0
Driving Hook Shot	        1	1	100
Driving Layup Shot	        28	40	70.0
Driving Reverse Layup Shot	2	3	66.7
Fadeaway Bank shot	        2	2	100
Floating Jump shot	        7	11	63.6
Jump Bank Shot	                4	8	50.0
Jump Shot	                13	63	20.6
Layup Shot	                5	16	31.3
Pullup Bank shot	        2	4	50.0
Pullup Jump shot	        6	14	42.9
Running Finger Roll Layup Shot	0	1	0.0

Running Jump Shot	        3	7	42.9
Running Layup Shot	        3	7	42.9
Running Pull-Up Jump Shot	1	1	100
Step Back Bank Jump Shot	1	1	100
Step Back Jump shot	        3	6	50.0
Turnaround Fadeaway shot	1	1	100
Turnaround Hook Shot	        1	1	100
Turnaround Jump Shot	        2	3	66.7
Derrick Rose February
Shot Type Detail	        FGM	FGA	FG%	
Driving Bank shot	        1	1	100
Driving Finger Roll Layup Shot	2	3	66.7
Driving Floating Jump Shot	1	1	100
Driving Layup Shot	        11	19	57.9
Driving Reverse Layup Shot	1	1	100
Floating Jump shot	        9	18	50.0
Fadeaway Bank shot	        0	1	0.0
Fadeaway Jump Shot	        0	2	0.0
Jump Bank Shot	                6	11	54.5
Jump Shot	                21	61	34.4
Layup Shot	                3	13	23.1
Pullup Bank shot	        1	2	50.0
Pullup Jump shot	        1	5	20.0
Reverse Layup Shot	        1	1	100
Running Jump Shot	        1	2	50.0
Running Layup Shot	        3	3	100
Running Pull-Up Jump Shot	1	1	100
Step Back Bank Jump Shot	1	2	50.0
Step Back Jump shot	        1	2	50.0
Tip Layup Shot	                1	1	100
Turnaround Jump Shot	        2	2	100	
Derrick Rose March
Shot Type Detail	        FGM	FGA	FG%
Driving Bank shot	        2	2	100
Driving Finger Roll Layup Shot	4	6	66.7
Driving Floating Bank Jump Shot	1	2	50.0
Driving Floating Jump Shot	5	10	50.0
Driving Hook Shot	        1	1	100
Driving Layup Shot	        20	41	48.8
Driving Reverse Layup Shot	5	8	62.5
Dunk Shot	                1	1	100
Fadeaway Bank shot	        1	1	100
Fadeaway Jump Shot	        3	3	100
Floating Jump shot	        7	10	70.0
Jump Bank Shot	                1	2	50.0
Jump Shot	                30	86	34.9
Layup Shot	                1	13	7.7
Pullup Bank shot	        1	3	33.3
Pullup Jump shot	        10	19	52.6
Reverse Layup Shot	        2	3	66.7
Running Jump Shot	        2	4	50.0
Running Layup Shot	        4	4	100
Running Reverse Layup Shot	0	1	0.0
Step Back Jump shot	        5	7	71.4

He shot under 50% at the rim in February and March. Average is 60%, elite is 70%. Under 50% is awful.

Here, http://stats.nba.com/league/player/#!/shooting/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&DistanceRange=By%20Zone&sort=Restricted%20Area%20FG%20PCT&dir=1&PlayerPosition=G&SeasonSegment=Post%20All-Star, post-AllStar break he's ranked 167th amongs guards it FG% in the restricted area in that timeframe.

Rose is one of the Top guards in the league at getting to the rim! He's also one of the most efficient in the Paint outside the Restricted Area.

After the All Star Break
	                        Restricted Area	        In The Paint (Non-RA)	
Player	        TEAM	AGE	FGM	FGA	FG%	FGM	FGA	FG%
Isaiah Thomas   BOS	27	4.1	7.4	55.8	1.0	2.9	33.8	
James Harden    HOU	26	4.2	6.4	64.9	1.2	3.0	39.0	
Russ Westbrook  OKC	27	3.6	6.2	58.1	1.0	2.5	37.9	
Tony Allen      MEM	34	3.9	6.2	62.5	0.3	1.4	19.2	
Stephen Curry   GSW	28	3.7	5.6	65.6	0.6	1.1	48.5
Dwyane Wade     MIA	34	3.5	5.4	65.1	1.4	3.8	35.9	
John Wall       WAS	25	2.9	5.4	53.2	0.3	0.9	39.1
Jeff Teague     ATL	28	2.9	5.3	55.6	0.7	1.6	45.2
Goran Dragic    MIA	30	3.6	5.3	67.8	1.1	2.8	38.5
Andrew Wiggins  MIN	21	3.6	5.3	67.6	1.1	2.3	50.8
Damian Lillard  POR	25	3.0	5.2	57.5	0.6	2.3	28.1
L. Stephenson   MEM	25	3.2	5.2	62.2	0.6	2.1	29.6	
Jrue Holiday    NOP	26	2.9	5.2	56.4	1.1	2.8	39.2
Derrick Rose    CHI	27	2.4	5.0	48.6	1.3	2.5	52.8 

These are the top Penetrators for 2015-16

Entire Season          Restricted      In The Paint 
	                     Area	     Non-RA)	     Mid-Range	     Lft Corner 3    Rght Corner 3   Above the Break 3
Player	          TEAM  AGE  FGM  FGA  FG%   FGM  FGA  FG%   FGM  FGA  FG%   FGM  FGA  FG%   FGM  FGA  FG%   FGM  FGA  FG%
Russell Westbrook OKC	27   4.2  7.2  57.9  1.0  2.4  40.5  1.8  4.2  42.9  0.1  0.3  29.2  0.1  0.2  30.8  1.1  3.8  29.7
Tyreke Evans      NOP	26   3.4  6.9  48.8  0.1  0.6  20.0  0.6  1.7  38.1  0.0  0.1  0.0   0.0  0.1  0.0   1.3  3.2  41.3
Isaiah Thomas     BOS	27   3.4  6.2  55.5  0.8  2.5  33.0  0.9  2.5  36.5  0.3  0.5  56.8  0.1  0.4  38.7  1.6  4.8  33.8
Damian Lillard    POR	25   3.0  5.7  51.9  0.6  1.9  29.7  1.6  3.9  42.6  0.1  0.3  34.8  0.1  0.2  42.9  2.9  7.6  37.8
Andrew Wiggins    MIN	21   3.6  5.6  64.0  1.2  2.5  47.0  1.9  5.6  34.1  0.1  0.3  47.6  0.0  0.1  22.2  0.6  2.0  28.3
James Harden      HOU	26   3.4  5.6  60.7  0.8  2.3  36.7  1.6  3.9  40.5  0.1  0.3  28.6  0.1  0.5  27.9  2.7  7.2  36.8
Derrick Rose      CHI	27   2.7  5.5  48.5  1.2  2.8  43.5  2.2  5.3  41.9  0.1  0.2  28.6  0.0  0.1  33.3  0.6  1.9  29.6

I Believe that Rose can improve on these full season numbers. Being fully healthy and in better condition will really help him in this area.

yellowboy90 wrote:wWow, he is one of the top penetrators in the league. I guess many on here overlooked that. Oh Wait, they realize that but recognize that he sucks once he gets there.

Hey, but he is very efficient when he is in the paint but is not in the restricted area. Unfortunately that only gets you 1.2 baskets(1.3 after the break, see the improvement!).

Lucky for us he takes a lot of mid range shots to booster his efficiency. smh. No wait he gets to the free throw line. No wait, he has turned into an excellent distributor taking advantage of his attack skills. Oh, I guess he didn't have the shooters around him because McDermont, Dunleavy, and Mirotic doesn't count.

stop that ISH

Dude shot 40% from 3 in his last month on 17 makes. (disclaimer: please ignore that he is a 30% shooter for his career)