crzymdups wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

mreinman wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

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Durant ain't coming here. If he leaves OKC, it would have to be for a team that can compete for a ring next year. That is not us.

See Cleveland-James Part 1, Cleveland-post James and Cleveland James part 2.

OKC with Durant hurt most of the year: Lottery

OKC with healthy Durant: Beats SA, up 3-1 in WCF.

Durant is a transformative player. Maybe not on James's level, but he singe-handedly elevates a team into the conversation, particularly in the East.

Likely? Of course not. Durant may be intent on getting his first ring by any means necessary, and that be to join Curry's team or become a superpro in San Antonio (although it's likely he returns to OKC for one more try).

But the Knicks would be a much, much, much different team with him.

Just like Cleveland is/was, without and without.

of course he would make the knicks much better but he can make other teams actual contenders. And, as you said, Durant is not Lebron and we are not his cleveland.

I know we have diehards that think that we are good enough that he can put us over the top but I don't think that is remotely true.

Of course, if Rose reverts to anything close to MVP Rose, Melo is olympic Melo and KP fastracks his growth to Dirk levels, we would be contenders. You think that KD is such a gambler?

I have NO idea what KD is thinking and have no inclination to try.

If he's writing rosters down on a white sheet of paper and his ONLY criteria is which he thinks is the best with him on it, yeah, I think he can assume he'd agree the the Knicks fall short.

I'll wait until he actually joins the warriors, however, to assume that's his sole decision making process.

We have a little bit of an idea what he's thinking - because the list of six teams he's meeting with has been reported by Woj and the Knicks aren't on it. Spurs, Warriors, OKC, Clippers, Heat, Celtics.

We don't even know how genuine the list is.

We don't even know if genuine who leaked those particular details and why.

We don't know if the list is complete.

We don't know if there was some sort of strategy behind it.

Professionally I'm trained to always acknowledge what i don't know. To NOT assume every little thing I hear is some insight into the truth.

Understand I'm not saying the Knicks will get a meeting, just saying there is no good season for me to derive meaning into that info. We'll know soon enough and I've learned to wait.

Knickoftime wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

mreinman wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

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Durant ain't coming here. If he leaves OKC, it would have to be for a team that can compete for a ring next year. That is not us.

See Cleveland-James Part 1, Cleveland-post James and Cleveland James part 2.

OKC with Durant hurt most of the year: Lottery

OKC with healthy Durant: Beats SA, up 3-1 in WCF.

Durant is a transformative player. Maybe not on James's level, but he singe-handedly elevates a team into the conversation, particularly in the East.

Likely? Of course not. Durant may be intent on getting his first ring by any means necessary, and that be to join Curry's team or become a superpro in San Antonio (although it's likely he returns to OKC for one more try).

But the Knicks would be a much, much, much different team with him.

Just like Cleveland is/was, without and without.

of course he would make the knicks much better but he can make other teams actual contenders. And, as you said, Durant is not Lebron and we are not his cleveland.

I know we have diehards that think that we are good enough that he can put us over the top but I don't think that is remotely true.

Of course, if Rose reverts to anything close to MVP Rose, Melo is olympic Melo and KP fastracks his growth to Dirk levels, we would be contenders. You think that KD is such a gambler?

I have NO idea what KD is thinking and have no inclination to try.

If he's writing rosters down on a white sheet of paper and his ONLY criteria is which he thinks is the best with him on it, yeah, I think he can assume he'd agree the the Knicks fall short.

I'll wait until he actually joins the warriors, however, to assume that's his sole decision making process.

We have a little bit of an idea what he's thinking - because the list of six teams he's meeting with has been reported by Woj and the Knicks aren't on it. Spurs, Warriors, OKC, Clippers, Heat, Celtics.

We don't even know how genuine the list is.

We don't even know if genuine who leaked those particular details and why.

We don't know if the list is complete.

We don't know if there was some sort of strategy behind it.

Professionally I'm trained to always acknowledge what i don't know. To NOT assume every little thing I hear is some insight into the truth.

Understand I'm not saying the Knicks will get a meeting, just saying there is no good season for me to derive meaning into that info. We'll know soon enough and I've learned to wait.

Fair enough. But let me ask you something - how often does Woj make up reports? He makes his living reporting things accurately. There's no reason to assume his list is wrong.

Listen, I think the Knicks may even get a meeting with Durant - but it'll be out of courtesy and respect for his friendship with Melo if anything.

He clearly hasn't prioritized meeting with them. He has his six teams. And honestly, at the end of the day, I think he signs the one and one to stay in OKC.

The thing I keep asking for and very few people have addressed - how does it work on the basketball court to have Melo, Durant, Rose, KP - all needing 20-25 shots to be at their best... it makes no sense to me. Guys are saying have Durant play SG. You think he wants to chase Jimmy Butler and Klay Thompson around screens? He's not a SG. He's a 6'11" forward - he's actually 6'11" but chooses to be listed at 6'9". In today's NBA, he's probably a stretch 4.

It just makes no basketball sense whatsoever to add Durant. Yes, he's better than Melo. But Melo isn't going anywhere. I don't understand why you guys think Durant would even think about the Knicks.

Sure, maybe he meets with them. If he signs here... it would be shocking and go against all basketball sense.

And, PHil likes to do things under the radar. That Durant is not "on tour" says something.
Not sure what it says. The money is simple, and a 9 year dude he knows the cities.
ITs the basketball vision. Durant gonna roll with Goran and old ass wade? Whiteside? Riles has his mojo and bag of rings, so that's fun.
Celtics come in with all them picks and cap space. Good seafood, cape cod, racist south side and Danny O'Ainge! Good story, got a good coach and a midget named Isiah that can ball!
Thunder have to grovel to keep their dude and KD make them take a suite in NYC? Ouch. Couldn't just say, When you back in town?
Clippers? They got cap space? Got Griffth "Yawn", CP3 who gets hurt, and Deandre who can't hit a FT. ANd raspy old man Rivers. But, its LA, not the Lakers and Sterling is gone!!
Then you the Phil and Mills show. Riles got 5 rings? Phil got THIRTEEN of them bad boys. One for each finger and three for the toes!!! He can lower the lights, get some Triangle weed going, Paint a scenario where Drose is not a spazzed out Westbrook, how Melo is a better shooter than anyone in cowboy land, and then the prestige moment, no, not 7th ave flooded with World class models and the finest women on the planet (from all over the planet), but the knicks got something even the circus don't got! A UNICORN!! Not some fake ass one, but real live 7 foot three Latvian god and the best part of it is the older Drose, Melo and Durant get...........the Unicorn gets better, bigger and stronger!!! That's right, A BABY UNICORN!!!!!

So basically He can play with his big three. DRose, Melo and himself......and when you think, "Oh, that's not enough"......Not some old end of career guy like Ray Allen, and not saying that's a bad thing, nor Mark Miller, or Iggy, those are good guys and we can get Durant some of that, but a real live unicorn!!!!

THen phil gets the lights back on. Durant eats a twinkie and maybe asks to visit Montana?

Hell, I am a fan. I don't know what the hell will happen, But I want this too be!!!! Who else has a unicorn?

Nalod wrote:Wojo is not perfect, so lets not say everything is as he says.

And, PHil likes to do things under the radar. That Durant is not "on tour" says something.
Not sure what it says. The money is simple, and a 9 year dude he knows the cities.
ITs the basketball vision. Durant gonna roll with Goran and old ass wade? Whiteside? Riles has his mojo and bag of rings, so that's fun.
Celtics come in with all them picks and cap space. Good seafood, cape cod, racist south side and Danny O'Ainge! Good story, got a good coach and a midget named Isiah that can ball!
Thunder have to grovel to keep their dude and KD make them take a suite in NYC? Ouch. Couldn't just say, When you back in town?
Clippers? They got cap space? Got Griffth "Yawn", CP3 who gets hurt, and Deandre who can't hit a FT. ANd raspy old man Rivers. But, its LA, not the Lakers and Sterling is gone!!
Then you the Phil and Mills show. Riles got 5 rings? Phil got THIRTEEN of them bad boys. One for each finger and three for the toes!!! He can lower the lights, get some Triangle weed going, Paint a scenario where Drose is not a spazzed out Westbrook, how Melo is a better shooter than anyone in cowboy land, and then the prestige moment, no, not 7th ave flooded with World class models and the finest women on the planet (from all over the planet), but the knicks got something even the circus don't got! A UNICORN!! Not some fake ass one, but real live 7 foot three Latvian god and the best part of it is the older Drose, Melo and Durant get...........the Unicorn gets better, bigger and stronger!!! That's right, A BABY UNICORN!!!!!

So basically He can play with his big three. DRose, Melo and himself......and when you think, "Oh, that's not enough"......Not some old end of career guy like Ray Allen, and not saying that's a bad thing, nor Mark Miller, or Iggy, those are good guys and we can get Durant some of that, but a real live unicorn!!!!

THen phil gets the lights back on. Durant eats a twinkie and maybe asks to visit Montana?

Hell, I am a fan. I don't know what the hell will happen, But I want this too be!!!! Who else has a unicorn?

I heard that the Clips would be a sign and trade for Blake, if that were to happen. I say this because it might make KD feel a little better that he's not leaving OKC empty-handed

Personally, when you think what the experiences would be (and which would and wouldn't be gratifying for a player of his caliber) there should be only two choices: OKC as heavy favorites (assuming he likes playing there as much as he seems to) and NYK. The other teams simply don't make any sense. Yes they're 50+ win teams but bandwagon jumping to those other teams would be lame-sorry-ass worse than The Decision (where Lebron could at least have messaged it as the opportunity to play with his good friends).

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They mentioned that before... but Wojo is making that solid

Finestrg wrote:

kNYks342 wrote:Why would Melo come off the bench? The guy is still our best player. Dude leads our team in Pts, Reb, and assists, and all of a sudden he needs to come off the bench? That's crazy !! Durant and Melo are different players. If we are going to be competitive Melo and Durant need to coexist. You don't take your two best players and tell them they can't play with each other. I think what Durant needs to see is how he fits in. A starting lineup of Drose, Durant, Melo, Kristaps abs Noah would be the best lineup in the east. Period.

I couldn't disagree more. How is it crazy?? And how are they not similar players?? They're both high volume scoring machines that play the same positions and occupy the same spots on the floor. Look, Melo and Amar'e had problems and they didn't really play the same positions nor occupy the same spots on the court -- and that didn't work well for the most part. Not saying they couldn't play together definitively. They could in spurts I suppose..Maybe they could but you don't think deep down both players have their doubts about it, esp. KD? He's the one with the big decision to make. It'd be nice for Melo to make the decision that much easier for him. I mean what's important to Melo at this point? He's got his all-star game appearances, his scoring titles, the Olympic success, millions of dollars in the bank...To me, if he was truly concerned about winning #1 he'd at least think about a sacrifice like this. How bad does he want KD here? And you really see Durant as a SG? You're not the first one who's suggested that -- not sure I see it though. Would he even want to do that? And if we got KD where's the money for Noah coming from? Even if there would be enough left over to make Noah a respectable offer (along the line of what he'll be looking for), do we blow it on Noah or look to use it on some additional guard upgrades that we'd still need?

yes!!! another convert to the "melo off the bench if durant is a knick" scenario. i couldn't agree more.

kp6 durant hernangomez [noah/mozgov] rose turner

melo thomas galloway seraphin

that's a team that could make some noise.

Finestrg wrote:

kNYks342 wrote:Why would Melo come off the bench? The guy is still our best player. Dude leads our team in Pts, Reb, and assists, and all of a sudden he needs to come off the bench? That's crazy !! Durant and Melo are different players. If we are going to be competitive Melo and Durant need to coexist. You don't take your two best players and tell them they can't play with each other. I think what Durant needs to see is how he fits in. A starting lineup of Drose, Durant, Melo, Kristaps abs Noah would be the best lineup in the east. Period.

I couldn't disagree more. How is it crazy?? And how are they not similar players?? They're both high volume scoring machines that play the same positions and occupy the same spots on the floor. Look, Melo and Amar'e had problems and they didn't really play the same positions nor occupy the same spots on the court -- and that didn't work well for the most part. Not saying they couldn't play together definitively. They could in spurts I suppose..Maybe they could but you don't think deep down both players have their doubts about it, esp. KD? He's the one with the big decision to make. It'd be nice for Melo to make the decision that much easier for him. I mean what's important to Melo at this point? He's got his all-star game appearances, his scoring titles, the Olympic success, millions of dollars in the bank...To me, if he was truly concerned about winning #1 he'd at least think about a sacrifice like this. How bad does he want KD here? And you really see Durant as a SG? You're not the first one who's suggested that -- not sure I see it though. Would he even want to do that? And if we got KD where's the money for Noah coming from? Even if there would be enough left over to make Noah a respectable offer (along the line of what he'll be looking for), do we blow it on Noah or look to use it on some additional guard upgrades that we'd still need?

yes!!! another convert to the "melo off the bench if durant is a knick" scenario. i couldn't agree more.

kp6 durant hernangomez [noah/mozgov] rose [turner]

melo thomas galloway seraphin

that's a team that could make some noise.

dk7th wrote:

Finestrg wrote:

kNYks342 wrote:Why would Melo come off the bench? The guy is still our best player. Dude leads our team in Pts, Reb, and assists, and all of a sudden he needs to come off the bench? That's crazy !! Durant and Melo are different players. If we are going to be competitive Melo and Durant need to coexist. You don't take your two best players and tell them they can't play with each other. I think what Durant needs to see is how he fits in. A starting lineup of Drose, Durant, Melo, Kristaps abs Noah would be the best lineup in the east. Period.

I couldn't disagree more. How is it crazy?? And how are they not similar players?? They're both high volume scoring machines that play the same positions and occupy the same spots on the floor. Look, Melo and Amar'e had problems and they didn't really play the same positions nor occupy the same spots on the court -- and that didn't work well for the most part. Not saying they couldn't play together definitively. They could in spurts I suppose..Maybe they could but you don't think deep down both players have their doubts about it, esp. KD? He's the one with the big decision to make. It'd be nice for Melo to make the decision that much easier for him. I mean what's important to Melo at this point? He's got his all-star game appearances, his scoring titles, the Olympic success, millions of dollars in the bank...To me, if he was truly concerned about winning #1 he'd at least think about a sacrifice like this. How bad does he want KD here? And you really see Durant as a SG? You're not the first one who's suggested that -- not sure I see it though. Would he even want to do that? And if we got KD where's the money for Noah coming from? Even if there would be enough left over to make Noah a respectable offer (along the line of what he'll be looking for), do we blow it on Noah or look to use it on some additional guard upgrades that we'd still need?

yes!!! another convert to the "melo off the bench if durant is a knick" scenario. i couldn't agree more.

kp6 durant hernangomez [noah/mozgov] rose turner

melo thomas galloway seraphin

that's a team that could make some noise.

melo, thomas, galloway, sepaphin, pan...

In that scenario, there is your full second unit.

GustavBahler wrote:Knicks have work to do to get players like Durant legitimately interested. Doesn't matter what the list says, or who Durant visits. No starting center, SG, no bench to speak of. One step at a time.

Durant has to bring that up in the meeting... the Knicks have to bring that up in the meeting.

Once Durant is here, agents will be calling the Knicks to try and get their clients in on what they are doing... Durant, Rose, Melo and Kristaps is big time. Plug in a few vets and bam.

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