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crzymdups
Posts: 52018 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 5/1/2004 Member: #671 USA |
4/25/2016 10:24 PM LAST EDITED: 4/25/2016 10:37 PM
martin wrote:crzymdups wrote:nixluva wrote:crzymdups wrote:mreinman wrote:fishmike wrote:crzymdups wrote:sure.. but they are the same questions that prompted Phil to fire his buddy Fisher no? So Phil made a mistake with Fisher. You have to figure whatever made him uncomfortable there will be fixed w/ Rambis. Bottom line is its Phil's call and there is no reason he should be mandated to interview or consider anyone he isn't 100% comfortable with. Its his team, run the he wants to be run. Until Phil does things that are hurting our future I am fine with whatever he does. We the fans have called for things to be run right, torn down, be more like SA... but we cant make it 2 years into it with tilting over this or that. I know Phil doesnt know the modern NBA like mreinman does, but you have to let this guy have his chance to work this out.fishmike wrote:two very simple things in the NBA equate to successful head coaching. Is he on the same page as the front office and are the players on the same page with him? I don't really like Rambis as a personality, but that is certainly not a prereq for success. Rambis is a buy the book coach, he's totally backed by Phil who seems willing to take a more hands approach to help this group as well. I have no problem with this. winning percentage, defense, and offense? their record went from something like 8-13 when games were within 5 points with 5minutes to go in games to 1-10 with Rambis in those games. Their winning percentage on Feb 1 was .460. They finished .390 overall, .321 under Rambis They were 16th in the league in offensive efficiency on Feb 1st They were 25th in the league in offensive efficiency on the last day of the season (but Phil said the Triangle made progress under Rambis... somehow!) On Feb 1st, their scoring differential was -1.7. They finished the season -2.7 Their opponent shooting percentage was 44.1% on February 1st, it was 44.3% at the end of the season. So even that went up. I mean, I am astounded that anyone thinks Rambis had the team playing better? They played like crap under him. He is a terrible coach. all stats grabbed from this site - https://www.teamrankings.com/nba/stat/offensive-efficiency ¿ △ ?
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nixluva
Posts: 56258 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/5/2004 Member: #758 USA |
4/25/2016 10:48 PM
crzymdups wrote:martin wrote:crzymdups wrote:nixluva wrote:crzymdups wrote:mreinman wrote:fishmike wrote:crzymdups wrote:sure.. but they are the same questions that prompted Phil to fire his buddy Fisher no? So Phil made a mistake with Fisher. You have to figure whatever made him uncomfortable there will be fixed w/ Rambis. Bottom line is its Phil's call and there is no reason he should be mandated to interview or consider anyone he isn't 100% comfortable with. Its his team, run the he wants to be run. Until Phil does things that are hurting our future I am fine with whatever he does. We the fans have called for things to be run right, torn down, be more like SA... but we cant make it 2 years into it with tilting over this or that. I know Phil doesnt know the modern NBA like mreinman does, but you have to let this guy have his chance to work this out.fishmike wrote:two very simple things in the NBA equate to successful head coaching. Is he on the same page as the front office and are the players on the same page with him? I don't really like Rambis as a personality, but that is certainly not a prereq for success. Rambis is a buy the book coach, he's totally backed by Phil who seems willing to take a more hands approach to help this group as well. I have no problem with this. I think you're putting too much weight on the numbers at that time which include taking over a team that was already broken. Also coincided with guys slumping and KP hitting the wall. There was a lot going on. None of which is an excuse but just an explanation of what was going on. There was better execution developing and I think it's highly possible that with a full camp and some modest upgrades that Rambis could be more successful next year. It's Phil's call. He may yet hire a Blatt or Walton. Until the decision is made I'm not worrying about it. If Phil had his mind made up then he could just name Rambis already. |
crzymdups
Posts: 52018 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 5/1/2004 Member: #671 USA |
4/25/2016 11:00 PM
nixluva wrote:crzymdups wrote:martin wrote:crzymdups wrote:nixluva wrote:crzymdups wrote:mreinman wrote:fishmike wrote:crzymdups wrote:sure.. but they are the same questions that prompted Phil to fire his buddy Fisher no? So Phil made a mistake with Fisher. You have to figure whatever made him uncomfortable there will be fixed w/ Rambis. Bottom line is its Phil's call and there is no reason he should be mandated to interview or consider anyone he isn't 100% comfortable with. Its his team, run the he wants to be run. Until Phil does things that are hurting our future I am fine with whatever he does. We the fans have called for things to be run right, torn down, be more like SA... but we cant make it 2 years into it with tilting over this or that. I know Phil doesnt know the modern NBA like mreinman does, but you have to let this guy have his chance to work this out.fishmike wrote:two very simple things in the NBA equate to successful head coaching. Is he on the same page as the front office and are the players on the same page with him? I don't really like Rambis as a personality, but that is certainly not a prereq for success. Rambis is a buy the book coach, he's totally backed by Phil who seems willing to take a more hands approach to help this group as well. I have no problem with this. Unless he knew he'd be absolutely roasted for hiring Rambis and maybe Dolan and Melo are protesting. It's funny that the numbers can't be used unless they support your opinion. I seem to remember seeing a chart a lot about how great the 2008 Lakers Offensive Efficiency was. Rambis came in and said it was goal to make the playoffs. He went 9-19, Afflalo fell off a cliff, no player played better until Jerian Grant finally got minutes at the very end of the season - consistent minutes he didn't get from Rambis early on, until the players specifically begged him to play the young guys. ¿ △ ?
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nixluva
Posts: 56258 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/5/2004 Member: #758 USA |
4/26/2016 12:05 AM
crzymdups wrote:nixluva wrote:crzymdups wrote:martin wrote:crzymdups wrote:nixluva wrote:crzymdups wrote:smreinman wrote:fishmike wrote:crzymdups wrote:sure.. but they are the same questions that prompted Phil to fire his buddy Fisher no? So Phil made a mistake with Fisher. You have to figure whatever made him uncomfortable there will be fixed w/ Rambis. Bottom line is its Phil's call and there is no reason he should be mandated to interview or consider anyone he isn't 100% comfortable with. Its his team, run the he wants to be run. Until Phil does things that are hurting our future I am fine with whatever he does. We the fans have called for things to be run right, torn down, be more like SA... but we cant make it 2 years into it with tilting over this or that. I know Phil doesnt know the modern NBA like mreinman does, but you have to let this guy have his chance to work this out.fishmike wrote:two very simple things in the NBA equate to successful head coaching. Is he on the same page as the front office and are the players on the same page with him? I don't really like Rambis as a personality, but that is certainly not a prereq for success. Rambis is a buy the book coach, he's totally backed by Phil who seems willing to take a more hands approach to help this group as well. I have no problem with this. My numbers were based on complete seasons. This is a hack job on a guy taking over a team in free fall for the final 28 games. What you say may be true in terms of Rambis being the source of the problem but then again it may not be him. I'm just saying your stats may not be proof that Rambis can't coach this team. Correlation doesn't necessarily equal causation. |
crzymdups
Posts: 52018 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 5/1/2004 Member: #671 USA |
4/26/2016 12:18 AM
nixluva wrote:crzymdups wrote:nixluva wrote:crzymdups wrote:martin wrote:crzymdups wrote:nixluva wrote:crzymdups wrote:smreinman wrote:fishmike wrote:crzymdups wrote:sure.. but they are the same questions that prompted Phil to fire his buddy Fisher no? So Phil made a mistake with Fisher. You have to figure whatever made him uncomfortable there will be fixed w/ Rambis. Bottom line is its Phil's call and there is no reason he should be mandated to interview or consider anyone he isn't 100% comfortable with. Its his team, run the he wants to be run. Until Phil does things that are hurting our future I am fine with whatever he does. We the fans have called for things to be run right, torn down, be more like SA... but we cant make it 2 years into it with tilting over this or that. I know Phil doesnt know the modern NBA like mreinman does, but you have to let this guy have his chance to work this out.fishmike wrote:two very simple things in the NBA equate to successful head coaching. Is he on the same page as the front office and are the players on the same page with him? I don't really like Rambis as a personality, but that is certainly not a prereq for success. Rambis is a buy the book coach, he's totally backed by Phil who seems willing to take a more hands approach to help this group as well. I have no problem with this. Again, stats don't count when they don't back up your rosy colored view of the Triangle. ¿ △ ?
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martin
Posts: 68542 Alba Posts: 108 Joined: 7/24/2001 Member: #2 USA |
4/26/2016 12:21 AM
crzymdups wrote:nixluva wrote:crzymdups wrote:martin wrote:crzymdups wrote:nixluva wrote:crzymdups wrote:mreinman wrote:fishmike wrote:crzymdups wrote:sure.. but they are the same questions that prompted Phil to fire his buddy Fisher no? So Phil made a mistake with Fisher. You have to figure whatever made him uncomfortable there will be fixed w/ Rambis. Bottom line is its Phil's call and there is no reason he should be mandated to interview or consider anyone he isn't 100% comfortable with. Its his team, run the he wants to be run. Until Phil does things that are hurting our future I am fine with whatever he does. We the fans have called for things to be run right, torn down, be more like SA... but we cant make it 2 years into it with tilting over this or that. I know Phil doesnt know the modern NBA like mreinman does, but you have to let this guy have his chance to work this out.fishmike wrote:two very simple things in the NBA equate to successful head coaching. Is he on the same page as the front office and are the players on the same page with him? I don't really like Rambis as a personality, but that is certainly not a prereq for success. Rambis is a buy the book coach, he's totally backed by Phil who seems willing to take a more hands approach to help this group as well. I have no problem with this. I don't think anyone is suggesting you can't use number, but those number must also be put into context. Doesn't mean your supposition is right or wrong, but perhaps they could be better explained. Fish was let go 2/9. Lance Thomas first was injured 2/5 (concussion) and then the knee 3/8 and missed the rest of season (I have a feeling the play of Lance actually correlates to the losing of the Knicks very tightly). KP hit the rookie wall in early Feb and that lasted into March. Jose didn't play for the last 7 games of season, same with KP (that's 2 of 5 starting lineup). I thought that the play of Rolo and DWill finished the year strong. Jerian was nice at the end but that felt like it was forced. Melo had a very nice March finally getting his legs back after the Boston tripping thing. Official sponsor of the PURE KNICKS LOVE Program
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knicks1248
Posts: 42059 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 2/3/2004 Member: #582 |
4/26/2016 10:07 AM
nixluva wrote:crzymdups wrote:martin wrote:crzymdups wrote:nixluva wrote:crzymdups wrote:mreinman wrote:fishmike wrote:crzymdups wrote:sure.. but they are the same questions that prompted Phil to fire his buddy Fisher no? So Phil made a mistake with Fisher. You have to figure whatever made him uncomfortable there will be fixed w/ Rambis. Bottom line is its Phil's call and there is no reason he should be mandated to interview or consider anyone he isn't 100% comfortable with. Its his team, run the he wants to be run. Until Phil does things that are hurting our future I am fine with whatever he does. We the fans have called for things to be run right, torn down, be more like SA... but we cant make it 2 years into it with tilting over this or that. I know Phil doesnt know the modern NBA like mreinman does, but you have to let this guy have his chance to work this out.fishmike wrote:two very simple things in the NBA equate to successful head coaching. Is he on the same page as the front office and are the players on the same page with him? I don't really like Rambis as a personality, but that is certainly not a prereq for success. Rambis is a buy the book coach, he's totally backed by Phil who seems willing to take a more hands approach to help this group as well. I have no problem with this. Rambis wasn't brought in after once Fisher was fired, he was there from day 1. The numbers in most cases do tell the entire story. The difference is, fisher ran the triangle sometimes, and Ramy ran all the time, so because you seen more of it under rambis, you think the execution was better. That a joke, they play much slower, more predictable, and beat 1 team over 500 out of 14 teams they face. Rambis couldn't gather the troops, like JVG did when he took over. Rambis sucks ,act like you know? ES
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