newyorknewyork wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Complaining about Melo's contract is pretty much irrelevant at this moment.

It is relevant, if the Knicks are even contemplating about KD this summer...

Only have 19.5 or so to give, and obviously Durant isn't taking a paycut. We'd pretty much have to move alot of signings like Afflalo, O'Quinn, potentially KP to free up the $25m Durant will be seeking.

So yea, Melo's contract does hinder any pursuit of Durant. Shame. Instead of 10% to 15% chance it's more like negative infinity.

Just shame all around. Fish and KD were tight too.

Silliness, #1 you blame Melo's contract when trading for Calderon's 7.7mil and giving D.Williams a 4.6mil player option which takes up 12mil in cap space has more of an impact.

#2 If KD wants to come here we can make the money for him to come here, saying KD won't take any type of pay cut also isn't based off any actual facts. He won't for 19.5 mil but its possible for 23-24mil. I doubt he would turn that down and if he did then we were never a serious option since that 1-2mil could be made up easily from the org. You also conveniently left out the part of the article that said we could stretch Calderon giving us like 23mil in cap space I believe. That would leave trading preferably D.Williams or Serephin for a future draft pick to cover the difference if necessary.

But damn losing Calderon and Serephin or D.Williams for KD would devestating.

Basically every player salary on the Knicks is moveable, even Melo to a certain extent.

Just stating the fact if Jackson had just let Melo walk, we'd be in a much more enviable position then having to move parts we just signed. We'd have the ability to sign 2 max deals potentially with KD being the centerpiece, no matter how far fetched that sounds.

None of this is guaranteed obviously, but it's to put yourself in that position that hurts, if KD would remotely even entertain the idea of playing in New York.

Moving parts we just signed? Calderon and Serephin or Williams are expendable and could be replaced. Adding Durant with Melo would give us the same 2 max player senario. I doubt in your mind you are actually thinking if only we didn't have to give up Calderon and Serephin or Williams.

Now saying you don't like Melo as a player so don't want him on the team would be cutting to the chase. Trying to find angles like his contract is were things get harry given the circumstances of cap flexibility we have. Again 4th lowest payroll even though his contract was supposed to devistate this team. We could offer non KD level players up the 19mil which is Jimmy Butler level.

I don't mind KD and Melo together, but I think it'd be sorta like Steve Franchise and Stephon Marbury all over again. Redundancy, and a huge gaping defensive hole at either SF or PF, or basically whichever position Melo plays. KD plays average to plus defense already, so subbing him for Melo's current cap hold would make perfect sense. This roster as currently constituted is to make up for Melo's deficiencies on the defensive end, especially if they were to institute the twin towers of KP and RoLo for rim protection.

No angles. $25m and bad fit with Melo aside, we'd have to move some parts to make KD fit, and then it's no guarantee getting him. If Melo wasn't here in the first place, then it's opens the possibility to entice KD with a max deal and join forces with Derozan, Parsons, Beall etc in NY for summer 2016.

ChuckBuck wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Complaining about Melo's contract is pretty much irrelevant at this moment.

It is relevant, if the Knicks are even contemplating about KD this summer...

Only have 19.5 or so to give, and obviously Durant isn't taking a paycut. We'd pretty much have to move alot of signings like Afflalo, O'Quinn, potentially KP to free up the $25m Durant will be seeking.

So yea, Melo's contract does hinder any pursuit of Durant. Shame. Instead of 10% to 15% chance it's more like negative infinity.

Just shame all around. Fish and KD were tight too.

Silliness, #1 you blame Melo's contract when trading for Calderon's 7.7mil and giving D.Williams a 4.6mil player option which takes up 12mil in cap space has more of an impact.

#2 If KD wants to come here we can make the money for him to come here, saying KD won't take any type of pay cut also isn't based off any actual facts. He won't for 19.5 mil but its possible for 23-24mil. I doubt he would turn that down and if he did then we were never a serious option since that 1-2mil could be made up easily from the org. You also conveniently left out the part of the article that said we could stretch Calderon giving us like 23mil in cap space I believe. That would leave trading preferably D.Williams or Serephin for a future draft pick to cover the difference if necessary.

But damn losing Calderon and Serephin or D.Williams for KD would devestating.

Basically every player salary on the Knicks is moveable, even Melo to a certain extent.

Just stating the fact if Jackson had just let Melo walk, we'd be in a much more enviable position then having to move parts we just signed. We'd have the ability to sign 2 max deals potentially with KD being the centerpiece, no matter how far fetched that sounds.

None of this is guaranteed obviously, but it's to put yourself in that position that hurts, if KD would remotely even entertain the idea of playing in New York.

Moving parts we just signed? Calderon and Serephin or Williams are expendable and could be replaced. Adding Durant with Melo would give us the same 2 max player senario. I doubt in your mind you are actually thinking if only we didn't have to give up Calderon and Serephin or Williams.

Now saying you don't like Melo as a player so don't want him on the team would be cutting to the chase. Trying to find angles like his contract is were things get harry given the circumstances of cap flexibility we have. Again 4th lowest payroll even though his contract was supposed to devistate this team. We could offer non KD level players up the 19mil which is Jimmy Butler level.

I don't mind KD and Melo together, but I think it'd be sorta like Steve Franchise and Stephon Marbury all over again. Redundancy, and a huge gaping defensive hole at either SF or PF, or basically whichever position Melo plays. KD plays average to plus defense already, so subbing him for Melo's current cap hold would make perfect sense. This roster as currently constituted is to make up for Melo's deficiencies on the defensive end, especially if they were to institute the twin towers of KP and RoLo for rim protection.

No angles. $25m and bad fit with Melo aside, we'd have to move some parts to make KD fit, and then it's no guarantee getting him. If Melo wasn't here in the first place, then it's opens the possibility to entice KD with a max deal and join forces with Derozan, Parsons, Beall etc in NY for summer 2016.

Melo and KD both can shoot pretty damn good from the forward spots. The spacing they provide guys like Lopez Grant KP Affalo would open up the whole offense. Then we would also have the flexibily to go big with the twin towers when nessesary. A combination for Melo-KD-KP would be on the court at all times causing mismatch nightmares. Put a defensive energy guy behind them like Thanasis and you have a flexible frontcourt with tons of options and balance.

ChuckBuck wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Complaining about Melo's contract is pretty much irrelevant at this moment.

It is relevant, if the Knicks are even contemplating about KD this summer...

Only have 19.5 or so to give, and obviously Durant isn't taking a paycut. We'd pretty much have to move alot of signings like Afflalo, O'Quinn, potentially KP to free up the $25m Durant will be seeking.

So yea, Melo's contract does hinder any pursuit of Durant. Shame. Instead of 10% to 15% chance it's more like negative infinity.

Just shame all around. Fish and KD were tight too.

Silliness, #1 you blame Melo's contract when trading for Calderon's 7.7mil and giving D.Williams a 4.6mil player option which takes up 12mil in cap space has more of an impact.

#2 If KD wants to come here we can make the money for him to come here, saying KD won't take any type of pay cut also isn't based off any actual facts. He won't for 19.5 mil but its possible for 23-24mil. I doubt he would turn that down and if he did then we were never a serious option since that 1-2mil could be made up easily from the org. You also conveniently left out the part of the article that said we could stretch Calderon giving us like 23mil in cap space I believe. That would leave trading preferably D.Williams or Serephin for a future draft pick to cover the difference if necessary.

But damn losing Calderon and Serephin or D.Williams for KD would devestating.

Basically every player salary on the Knicks is moveable, even Melo to a certain extent.

Just stating the fact if Jackson had just let Melo walk, we'd be in a much more enviable position then having to move parts we just signed. We'd have the ability to sign 2 max deals potentially with KD being the centerpiece, no matter how far fetched that sounds.

None of this is guaranteed obviously, but it's to put yourself in that position that hurts, if KD would remotely even entertain the idea of playing in New York.

Moving parts we just signed? Calderon and Serephin or Williams are expendable and could be replaced. Adding Durant with Melo would give us the same 2 max player senario. I doubt in your mind you are actually thinking if only we didn't have to give up Calderon and Serephin or Williams.

Now saying you don't like Melo as a player so don't want him on the team would be cutting to the chase. Trying to find angles like his contract is were things get harry given the circumstances of cap flexibility we have. Again 4th lowest payroll even though his contract was supposed to devistate this team. We could offer non KD level players up the 19mil which is Jimmy Butler level.

I don't mind KD and Melo together, but I think it'd be sorta like Steve Franchise and Stephon Marbury all over again. Redundancy, and a huge gaping defensive hole at either SF or PF, or basically whichever position Melo plays. KD plays average to plus defense already, so subbing him for Melo's current cap hold would make perfect sense. This roster as currently constituted is to make up for Melo's deficiencies on the defensive end, especially if they were to institute the twin towers of KP and RoLo for rim protection.

No angles. $25m and bad fit with Melo aside, we'd have to move some parts to make KD fit, and then it's no guarantee getting him. If Melo wasn't here in the first place, then it's opens the possibility to entice KD with a max deal and join forces with Derozan, Parsons, Beall etc in NY for summer 2016.

Melo and KD both can shoot pretty damn good from the forward spots. The spacing they provide guys like Lopez Grant KP Affalo would open up the whole offense. Then we would also have the flexibily to go big with the twin towers when nessesary. A combination for Melo-KD-KP would be on the court at all times causing mismatch nightmares. Put a defensive energy guy behind them like Thanasis and you have a flexible frontcourt with tons of options and balance.

If you put KD and Melo out there at small forward and power forward, one of them will get their lunch handed to them on the defensive end. Neither is big enough to play the power forward spot. Love, Aldridge, and Blake will box them out to oblivion for like 20 boards.

Stupid idea. Can't just think offense, narrow minded thinking. What you think this is...Golden State!

The game is 48 mins long. Rashard Lewis and Turk weren't big enough to play PF yet they went to the finals doing just that. If we run into an opponent that is getting the better of our forwards due to size at that moment then we switch with our flexible lineup and go big with the twin towers. Love, Aldridge, Blake would find it harder to get rebounds though as they are getting stretched out to the perimeter(Lopez would see a lot of one on one battles for rebounds). Or find themselves in trouble guarding quicker players using constant movement within the triangle who can put the ball on the floor and drive from the perimeter. And as soon as they need to take a breather 2 of Melo,KD,KP would be on the floor vs 2nd stringers. Like I stated flexible lineup with lots of options. Grant, Gallo, Affalo, KP, Q'uinn are all 2-way players. There will be match-ups in which Melo-KD-KP who all have the ability to shoot could force all the big men to have to play the perimeter giving our guards(Grant) open access to the paint or Melo-KD-KP could put the ball on the floor themselves to attack the rim(not in isolation but within the offense).

Not to mention that the next off season we would have 12 mil in cap space again due to Affalo and Williams coming off the books and another first round draft pick. Melo and KD puts the Knicks in the playoffs easily. Quality veteran free agents would be lining up to try and jump on a championship run.

Then call Melo a SG. Got two 7 footers on the floor, Durant at 6-10 and melo at 6-8.
This is not the 1990's. Sure defense matters but opponent has to stop this line up.
Here im worried about the paremeter SG defense with this line up. They have to worry about a few more things stopping this.
Imagine, can go "small" with 7'3 KP at center and bring in another quick footed defender. Dwil???

Question is how good will KP be in two years???

Its all hypothetical. Durant is "thunder" for now and odds are he moves via trade unless he is willing to be a villain. All he has to say is "if you trade me I will likely not resign with a team that's depleted and my bird rights are not important.

1. Durant is a bit sensitive about his image
2. Those bird rights are a lot of damn money

otherwise his only two more likely options are resign with Thunder for the money and they are still contending (does westbrook stay?) or he consents to a trade.

Westbrook for Deangelo Russell is a natural trade for both. Who says Durant wants to play with Westbrook anymore? Maybe Durant gets westbrook traded as condition to stay??

StarksEwing1 wrote:Truthfully im so tired of hearing about melo whether its the haters or lovers. Im more excited about our two rookies. I also like that we have some better depth in the frontcourt. Like i said many times this year is about progress especially with grant and kp.

My sentiments exactly. All my Knicks hopes and dreams are invested in KP and Grant developing.

jrodmc wrote:Funny ****. KD, the 2nd best player on the planet, can't leave pennies on the table because he's in the middle of his injury riddled prime, which has singularly managed to turn Westbrook into Oscar Robertson, but Melo is supposed to leave 10's of millions behind so Phil can starphucque to his heart's delight.

We don't know what goes on in negotiations, but WE DO KNOW THE DOUCHEBAG DEMANDED EVERYTHING HE GOT, OR DOLAN TOOK IT OUT OF PHIL'S HANDS AND HANDED IT TO THAT BRAND-CONSCIOUS FUK STICK.

Melo is your Knicks for the next two-three seasons at least. Live with it. Barring some more PJax magic, we are not getting a decent first rounder if this current lineup stays healthy. The load has been blown. You can hope everything gels around Melo, or you can try stroking yourself off watching the yoot grass grow. Or you can continue dreaming wet dreams about Melo playing in Chicago or LA or Houston or any other place that he's not going to. No. Trade. Clause. He endured a 17 win season. He's certainly not leaving here in his mid 30's for some other situation. He's already been to a Denver.

We have a decent 5 who plays both ends of the floor. We have more better-than-NBDL-size than we've had in years. We have some interesting things in the backcourt, including, hopefully a Jose with something to prove beyond retirement to the pig farm in Spain. Man, that article about him and Ol' Cole was some funny sheehit.

And we've got some old lunchpails on the bench where they belong, finally. Worth leaving all this if it goes south quickly?

Me70 says Hell No!

Big difference with consensus #2 player in the world leaving pennies on the table and the consensus #15 player in the world getting max money.

Only blemish so far on Phil Jax ledger. I don't count the JR and Shump trades, as both got paid money they would not have gotten on the Knicks. Tyson is on the wrong side of 30, Felton for Jose could be considered a dumb move, but Jose's contract is fairly moveable.

Would've had sooooooo much cap space for 2016 and 2017...oh well.

newyorknewyork wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:@newyorknewyork not sure if know this, but we have a guy called Phil Jackson calling the shots, and a player/disciple as a coach named Derek Fisher.

They run a system called the "Triangle" AKA the "Triple Post". Pretty much everywhere Phil's been has been traditional lineups, usually "big" lineups.

Example 1:

PG - John Paxson - 6'2
SG - Michael Jordan - 6'6
SF - Scottie Pippen - 6'7
PF - Horace Grant - 6'10
C - Bill Cartwright - 7'1

Example 2:

PG - Ron Harper - 6'6
SG - Kobe Bryant - 6'6
SF - Glenn Rice - 6'7
PF - AC Green - 6'9
C - Shaquille O'Neal - 7'1

With the exception of John Paxson, pretty big lineups in general. Pippen was the point forward anyway, so Paxson/BJ/Hodges/Kerr was just the floor stretcher at point.

Doesn't care what you or I or what anyone else in this forum thinks. Phil likes his big lineups, and he's proven it with his 11 rings.

This ain't NBA 2K16 where you can plug in hypothetical star lineups and make it work. You play to the strengths of your roster.

Then there was the time that Jordan retired, Bill Cartwright and Longley played a total of 69 games combined. Leaving G Armstrong G Meyers F Pippen F Kuckoc PF/C Grant G Kerr as the main min loggers.

Basketball is basketball and if Phil could land Durant who is 6'11 by the way he isn't going to hesitate. This is 2015 were more teams play small ball then ever before. Except all 3 of the players we lineup at PF could shoot out to the 3 or put the ball on the floor or score anywhere on the court really.

KP is 7'2 Lopez 7'1 KD 6'11 Melo 6'8. And your complaing about lack of size??

KD is 6'9. He can't play power forward and neither can Melo.

mreinman wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:@newyorknewyork not sure if know this, but we have a guy called Phil Jackson calling the shots, and a player/disciple as a coach named Derek Fisher.

They run a system called the "Triangle" AKA the "Triple Post". Pretty much everywhere Phil's been has been traditional lineups, usually "big" lineups.

Example 1:

PG - John Paxson - 6'2
SG - Michael Jordan - 6'6
SF - Scottie Pippen - 6'7
PF - Horace Grant - 6'10
C - Bill Cartwright - 7'1

Example 2:

PG - Ron Harper - 6'6
SG - Kobe Bryant - 6'6
SF - Glenn Rice - 6'7
PF - AC Green - 6'9
C - Shaquille O'Neal - 7'1

With the exception of John Paxson, pretty big lineups in general. Pippen was the point forward anyway, so Paxson/BJ/Hodges/Kerr was just the floor stretcher at point.

Doesn't care what you or I or what anyone else in this forum thinks. Phil likes his big lineups, and he's proven it with his 11 rings.

This ain't NBA 2K16 where you can plug in hypothetical star lineups and make it work. You play to the strengths of your roster.

Then there was the time that Jordan retired, Bill Cartwright and Longley played a total of 69 games combined. Leaving G Armstrong G Meyers F Pippen F Kuckoc PF/C Grant G Kerr as the main min loggers.

Basketball is basketball and if Phil could land Durant who is 6'11 by the way he isn't going to hesitate. This is 2015 were more teams play small ball then ever before. Except all 3 of the players we lineup at PF could shoot out to the 3 or put the ball on the floor or score anywhere on the court really.

KP is 7'2 Lopez 7'1 KD 6'11 Melo 6'8. And your complaing about lack of size??

KD is 6'9. He can't play power forward and neither can Melo.

KD is closer to 7 feet.

Basketball Reference:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duranke01.html

ESPN:

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3202/kevin-durant

NBA.com:

http://www.nba.com/playerfile//kevin_durant/

6'9 240lbs. He's not 6'11 or 7 feet or 12'2 with shoes on.

Yes, he has the reach of plastic man, but he's a long 6'9.

mreinman wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

mreinman wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:@newyorknewyork not sure if know this, but we have a guy called Phil Jackson calling the shots, and a player/disciple as a coach named Derek Fisher.

They run a system called the "Triangle" AKA the "Triple Post". Pretty much everywhere Phil's been has been traditional lineups, usually "big" lineups.

Example 1:

PG - John Paxson - 6'2
SG - Michael Jordan - 6'6
SF - Scottie Pippen - 6'7
PF - Horace Grant - 6'10
C - Bill Cartwright - 7'1

Example 2:

PG - Ron Harper - 6'6
SG - Kobe Bryant - 6'6
SF - Glenn Rice - 6'7
PF - AC Green - 6'9
C - Shaquille O'Neal - 7'1

With the exception of John Paxson, pretty big lineups in general. Pippen was the point forward anyway, so Paxson/BJ/Hodges/Kerr was just the floor stretcher at point.

Doesn't care what you or I or what anyone else in this forum thinks. Phil likes his big lineups, and he's proven it with his 11 rings.

This ain't NBA 2K16 where you can plug in hypothetical star lineups and make it work. You play to the strengths of your roster.

Then there was the time that Jordan retired, Bill Cartwright and Longley played a total of 69 games combined. Leaving G Armstrong G Meyers F Pippen F Kuckoc PF/C Grant G Kerr as the main min loggers.

Basketball is basketball and if Phil could land Durant who is 6'11 by the way he isn't going to hesitate. This is 2015 were more teams play small ball then ever before. Except all 3 of the players we lineup at PF could shoot out to the 3 or put the ball on the floor or score anywhere on the court really.

KP is 7'2 Lopez 7'1 KD 6'11 Melo 6'8. And your complaing about lack of size??

KD is 6'9. He can't play power forward and neither can Melo.

KD is closer to 7 feet.

Basketball Reference:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duranke01.html

ESPN:

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3202/kevin-durant

NBA.com:

http://www.nba.com/playerfile//kevin_durant/

6'9 240lbs. He's not 6'11 or 7 feet or 12'2 with shoes on.

Yes, he has the reach of plastic man, but he's a long 6'9.

The reason durant looks so much taller than other "6'9"" or "6'10"" guys is that a lot of them are 1-2 inches off there barefoot heights. While durant chose to be listed at his barefoot height like bosh did as well.

I'll give you KD is 6'9 barefoot and 6'10 with shoes. He's definitely not 6'11 or anywhere close to 7 feet.

Cartman718 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

If you don't come to play for NY Knicks next season, I'm coming after your wife too.

LOL

Also, if Durant wants to come room will be made financially and line up wise. Let KP come off the bench and be a big man James Harden, that way you should always have two studs on the floor for most of the game. That assumes KP shows signs of being the player most hope he will become.