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mreinman
Posts: 37827 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 7/14/2010 Member: #3189 |
10/8/2015 12:01 PM
fishmike wrote:mreinman wrote:Ive never seen anyone so obsessed with another poster as you are with Briggs.BRIGGS wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:BRIGGS wrote:nixluva wrote:BRIGGS wrote:GoNyGoNyGo wrote:I came away impressed with Melo, Galloway, Grant, Quinn and Seraphin. KP will be fine. He sure can shoot it. My guess is he is a 5 down the road. The Knicks are stacked up front. LivingLegends recap was excellent. basically ... watch the game and you can then judge (if you'd like) in regards to the way he is being used. No player should just stand around at 23 feet (or 30 FEET) .... duh! Every should come within the flow of the offense. You need to capitalize on every mismatch and take the efficient shots that the defense gives you. If that ends up being a layup, great! If its a 3, also great. The last thing that I want to see is him taking Jason Smith jumpers (15-23 feet). That would be terrible. Some shots between 8-15 feet I can live with but not too many of those. Just enough to keep the defense honest. The problem that I have with briggs is that he thinks he knows everything yet he does not and for some reason can't see the dynamic changes of todays game. I think that most of the good posters on this site (and there are many) probably disagree with him 90 percent of the time. Anyone who has seen a lot of KP knows that his stroke is priceless and it would be a crime to limit him and his range in any way. Repeat such rhetoric in every single post is just plain annoying and misleading, especially when you missed the game. so here is what phil is thinking ....
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Paris907
Posts: 21146 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 7/4/2015 Member: #6099 USA |
10/8/2015 12:21 PM
To reinman: Thanks for the catch. Not Lopez meant Calderons. KNICKS stArting to be as diverse as the Spurs with. Latvian, Frenchman, Sasha, and a Spaniard.
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mreinman
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10/8/2015 12:24 PM
Paris907 wrote:To reinman: Thanks for the catch. Not Lopez meant Calderons. KNICKS stArting to be as diverse as the Spurs with. Latvian, Frenchman, Sasha, and a Spaniard. they all look the same to me so here is what phil is thinking ....
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blkexec
Posts: 27793 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 9/3/2004 Member: #748 |
10/8/2015 12:53 PM
So let's define big.....that definition will change based on the age or era that person represents. I don't understand why only a few posters are fixated on what KP should be doing instead of what he does naturally. Hes not some Shawn Bradley stiff who sits in the paint. How come nobody talked about Novak going in the post and shooting less 3s. He's also 7.0 tall. That's KP right now but more fluent. He has an all around game. He's not 1 dimensional. But if you only read stats and drool over the Spurs without watching your own team.....ur feedback is irrelevant. KP has the potential to be better than a post player. Could be the best player in his prime. Remove the barriers and Let him grow.
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martin
Posts: 67903 Alba Posts: 108 Joined: 7/24/2001 Member: #2 USA |
10/8/2015 1:18 PM
From poster Clyde_Style over on realgm, thought it was good: Said it in the game thread. Grant will start because all Fish did was set up the scenario, correctly IMO. Official sponsor of the PURE KNICKS LOVE Program
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gunsnewing
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10/8/2015 1:28 PM
Exactly Blk. Let him be himself and keep doing what he's been doing to get him to this point. You can say that about any rookie but he is unique at his size. like I said to Briggs when we drafted him, thtrowing too many things at him at once is going to be toonoverwhelming and typical of the previous Knicks regimes. There's enough pressure from the fans and media. Let him be himself early on. This year is about helping him adapt to the NBA game. Teach him all the fundamental like where to be on offense. Show him what his options are when he has the ball in his hands. Focus on his conditioning and light core/weight training. Later in the year or next season slowly start to work on his post moves. Would've loved it if Olajuwon wasn't on the Rockets staff to show him elite footwork in the post.
I know it's hard for us to fully understand everything that goes into the development of a highly touted rookie prospect because we don't play professionally. But don't you think he has enough on his plate already? You want him to become Kareem Abdul jabbar in year one? You don't develop a great postgame in a couple of weeks. It takes time and yea off making daily post game adjustments in practice. That is why they pay coaches. He will struggle at first and force the issue ala Amare. You will hurt his confidence and risk him losing confidence in the things that got him to this point. Then the fans will boo and mock him. The media will tear him apart and oh wait he is still only 20yrs old! That is putting way too much on his plate right now. It's not about teaching him all these moves and poor he will instinctively know exactly what move to pull out of his hat! |
mreinman
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10/8/2015 1:33 PM
gunsnewing wrote:Exactly Blk. Let him be himself and keep doing what he's been doing to get him to this point. You can say that about any rookie but he is unique at his size. like I said to Briggs when we drafted him, thtrowing too many things at him at once is going to be toonoverwhelming and typical of the previous Knicks regimes. There's enough pressure from the fans and media. Let him be himself early on. This year is about helping him adapt to the NBA game. Teach him all the fundamental like where to be on offense. Show him what his options are when he has the ball in his hands. Focus on his conditioning and light core/weight training. Later in the year or next season slowly start to work on his post moves. Would've loved it if Olajuwon wasn't on the Rockets staff to show him elite footwork in the post. but this is not just about letting him get there. there is no reason to remove any dynamic parts to his game such as his range. Anthony Davis is now shooting 3's, is that stupid? Of course not! It makes him less guardable, stretches the floor, and makes him more efficient. so here is what phil is thinking ....
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gunsnewing
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10/8/2015 1:44 PM
I agree with that. The starting lineup is going to be Lopez, KP, Melo & Grant. Starting SG will go to AA or Galloway. Who ever earns it by playing well and whatever Fisher determine is best for their team chemistry and synergy. He may very well see AFFALO as his best option to provide instant offense, experience and leadership off the bench. Gallo is a better savvy playmaker and ballhandler whicb should lead to great synergy with Melo, KP & Grant in the triangle. He has to shoot well though otherwise Affalo will start for his 3pt prowess to he'll stretch the floor. AA is a little behind the 8ball so I expect them to start Galloway early on if I had to choose
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BigDaddyG
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10/8/2015 3:58 PM
gunsnewing wrote:You dont want him to plant himself in the paint all game right now. He is not ready to bang physically. Let's not ruin his career right out of the gate. Patience Yea, I don't remember Minnesota telling Garnett to live inside the paint. You have put KP in the spots he's most comfortable right now. I'm sure he'll start to camp out in the low post as he gets stronger. The first thing I'd like to see him do is develop enough of a post game so that he'Lloyd be able to score over smaller defenders. I can see opposing coaches sticking a smaller wing on KP to try and minimize his face up game. Always... always remember: Less is less. More is more. More is better and twice as much is good too. Not enough is bad, and too much is never enough except when it's just about right.
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mreinman
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10/8/2015 4:08 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:gunsnewing wrote:You dont want him to plant himself in the paint all game right now. He is not ready to bang physically. Let's not ruin his career right out of the gate. Patience in europe KP took smaller guys right into the post as soon as they were forced to switch on him. so here is what phil is thinking ....
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BigDaddyG
Posts: 37419 Alba Posts: 9 Joined: 1/22/2010 Member: #3049 |
10/8/2015 4:21 PM
mreinman wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:gunsnewing wrote:You dont want him to plant himself in the paint all game right now. He is not ready to bang physically. Let's not ruin his career right out of the gate. Patience I know, but that's Europe. Here he's going to face 6'8" guys as faster than the fastest guy in his league and stronger than the strongest guy on his team. He'l adjust , but it'll take some time. Always... always remember: Less is less. More is more. More is better and twice as much is good too. Not enough is bad, and too much is never enough except when it's just about right.
- The Tick
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mreinman
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10/8/2015 4:24 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:mreinman wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:gunsnewing wrote:You dont want him to plant himself in the paint all game right now. He is not ready to bang physically. Let's not ruin his career right out of the gate. Patience he has the speed, now he is adding the weight. so here is what phil is thinking ....
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fishmike
Posts: 53037 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 7/19/2002 Member: #298 USA |
10/8/2015 4:47 PM
mreinman wrote:I actually saw the whole game. Not sure your point there. Until he plays in the post and his scoring is a threat there then he's not going to impact the game. His true value in that jumper is pulling other bigs out of the paint. Right now you can put any 3 or 4 on him. Whoop de doo.fishmike wrote:mreinman wrote:Ive never seen anyone so obsessed with another poster as you are with Briggs.BRIGGS wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:BRIGGS wrote:nixluva wrote:BRIGGS wrote:GoNyGoNyGo wrote:I came away impressed with Melo, Galloway, Grant, Quinn and Seraphin. KP will be fine. He sure can shoot it. My guess is he is a 5 down the road. The Knicks are stacked up front. 90% of the good posters dont disagree with Briggs. You guys disagree. He seems ok with it. You seem to obsess. Generally when I read your posts you seem more intent on disproving a Briggs point than making one of your own. Just a friendly observation. I mean if KP was on a different team and the Knicks were playing that team who would put on KP? The answer is anyone. Could be Melo starting at PF, and until KP posts Melo and beats him in the paint he's just shooting long jumpers. What you WANT is to force Lopez to guard KP, because KP is shooting over the smaller player (thus the comments on establishing post). When that happens then you force Lopez, your best rim protecter out of the paint because KP has that range. Follow? Chicken and egg. What made Ewing a great player was whoever defended him had to come out to guard him, and that player was always a big because of Ewing's post game. What took Dirk to the next level was learning to score in the paint, so defenses couldnt put fast smalls on him. But was basketball different than and that doesnt work anymore? Dont see it that way KP should be playing like a frontcourt player, not floating around for jumpers. Maybe Im not a good poster but thats how I see it "winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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mreinman
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10/8/2015 4:58 PM
fishmike wrote:mreinman wrote:I actually saw the whole game. Not sure your point there. Until he plays in the post and his scoring is a threat there then he's not going to impact the game. His true value in that jumper is pulling other bigs out of the paint. Right now you can put any 3 or 4 on him. Whoop de doo.fishmike wrote:mreinman wrote:Ive never seen anyone so obsessed with another poster as you are with Briggs.BRIGGS wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:BRIGGS wrote:nixluva wrote:BRIGGS wrote:GoNyGoNyGo wrote:I came away impressed with Melo, Galloway, Grant, Quinn and Seraphin. KP will be fine. He sure can shoot it. My guess is he is a 5 down the road. The Knicks are stacked up front. you seem more obsessing with me obsessing over other posters (your buddy?) than responding. Of course we want him to be a dynamic player! Who the hell said anything about camping him out? Thats insane! He should be able to score from everywhere and guess what he can. He has a strength issue that is being address and he is a couple of years away (though most fans need him to be perfect yesterday SMH). Did you see the threes that he took yesterday? He took 3 of them in not that many minutes. Should that not be part of his offense? Do you want him to be Kevin Mchale? Or do you want him to be KP? This kid needs to be groomed to score from everywhere and that is what they are doing (IMHO). This is a new era of 3's and layups. Listen to every broadcast and you will here about it. It was mentioned 20 times yesterday in the broadcast and Fisher mentioned it as well in the post game. ALL PLAYERS SHOULD BE ABLE TO SCORE FROM EVERYWHERE ... and they should stay away from those mid range shots as much as possible unless we have guys who can hit them at a ridiculous rate. Many fans on UK have moved into the new age. Some are stuck in the 70's and they continue to push 70's ideas that are completely dated. Should Anthony Davis be shooting 3's? He is ... would that have happened 20 years ago? Prolly not. so here is what phil is thinking ....
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gunsnewing
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10/8/2015 5:16 PM
That's a good point but that's not how the Knicks are using him right now. I think they are protecting him and knowing his body can't take anoounding yet. And they want to keep things simple and just let him play his game in year 1. Depending on the situational matchup we will see him play some post, out on the perimeter shooting open 3's off passes from Melo and taking the ball to the hole. He will have to learn to be dominate in the post and use his height eventually when his body can take a pounding
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mreinman
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10/8/2015 5:23 PM
gunsnewing wrote:That's a good point but that's not how the Knicks are using him right now. I think they are protecting him and knowing his body can't take anoounding yet. And they want to keep things simple and just let him play his game in year 1. Depending on the situational matchup we will see him play some post, out on the perimeter shooting open 3's off passes from Melo and taking the ball to the hole. He will have to learn to be dominate in the post and use his height eventually when his body can take a pounding the stronger he gets the more he can dominate in the post. The last thing I want to see though is a guy only playing in the post taking only sky hooks. I want to see him everywhere. The question is do our fans have the patience to wait. I have seen where when he sits out a game people question if we should not have drafted him because he was hiding an injury. Expecting him to come in and dominate the post before building himself up for a couple of years is plain silly. The 3's off the pick and pops yesterday were perfect plays and makes him a great high pick man. Tyson set picks but who respected his shot? Nobody! It was roll and dunk or nothing. I want KP to score from everywhere on the floor (efficient areas of course). so here is what phil is thinking ....
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gunsnewing
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10/8/2015 5:34 PM
Yea slender big men benefit from the hook shot because they can't use their bodies to post bigs hi are built like tanks. Thats what KP will have to revert to if we plant him in the post in year 1
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gunsnewing
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10/8/2015 5:39 PM
I want to see him post up like Pau Gasol and use his strength in a few years. Definitely don't want him planting himself in the post in year 1 and shooting wide hook shots like Samuel Dalembert
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mreinman
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10/8/2015 5:40 PM
gunsnewing wrote:Yea slender big men benefit from the hook shot because they can't use their bodies to post bigs hi are built like tanks. Thats what KP will have to revert to if we plant him in the post in year 1 where was karnetts hook shot? A Davis? Dirk? Nobody is hooking anymore for a reason. so here is what phil is thinking ....
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