knickscity wrote:nixluva wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:nixluva wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:nixluva wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:knickscity wrote:Even Phil acknowledged the only star caliber player on the team is Melo. It's role player throughout. Whether they can play their roles will determine the season we have. On paper, this team isnt winning more than 35. I dont see playoffs with this roster, but should be considerably better than last years squad. Thats the issue with Knicks fans at times, always overhyping their own and completely dissing other teams like they dont have good rosters at all. Then turn around and do it again the following season. We dont have a big man nearly as good as Nene, and Afflalo is no Bradley Beal. Rolo is nowhere near as good as Gortat. As good as Melo is, certainly better than anyone on the Wizards roster, he doesnt alone make up the difference in their roster and since he isnt a playmaker his impact isnt even as much as John Wall.
my thoughts exactly. 35 wins isnt being negative, its being honest. Actually 35 wins is a step in the right direction
I actually do think 25 or even 35 is low. It's not about what the team did last year. We have to assess the team based on the roster we have now. This roster has just enough quality to match up well with the bulk of the league. They have some upside on this roster which is the X Factor for just how successful they can be. It's a solid middle of the pack team IMO.
of course you think its low lol. How about 50?
I'm not always wrong in predicting it only seems that way. Besides I never said this team would win 50. I'm only suggesting they have a shot at making the playoffs. 35 wins is failure. You don't rebuild a roster with free agents and expect 35 wins. I'm not home but I'm gonna do a post more fully explaining my take on this team.
please do dont this the wrong way but i really do respect your optimistic outlook. Thats a compliment so please dont take offense. Im not trying to change your views either. However can we at least agree that making the playoffs next year will be tough? Im not saying they wont but at least agree its gonna be tough
That is inferred by the way I have been stating all of my points. I've never once said it was a lock! My statements have been that the team has a chance to fight for a spot. If you read what ive said it's been about being in the hunt. There are no guarantees and never are. I do think there is a reasonable expectation when you have a decent starting unit. This team has enough to put a competitive starting unit on the floor.
Melo, Afflalo, RoLo, Jose and perhaps O'Quinn would be a competitive unit. There could be any combination of players between KP, Jerian or DWill that would still be a competitive unit and just enough off the bench to be in the mix for a playoff spot. The Knicks are NOT THE only team needing some luck and good health in order to secure a playoff spot.
My guy, please look outside the window. Some teams have two all-star caliber players and barely cracked 45 and that was with a contributing HOf'er and a young player they were developing (Wizards). Seriously if you think 35 is failure, I really wonder what your win expectations are. The team has to grow, learn the system and the NBA for a few guys and there is literally alot of role players and not the cream of the crop type. Everything can go perfect, I wouldnt rule that out, but I wont expect such. For insatnce, Melo has suffered some form of injury every single he's been a Knick. Do you expect him to be healthy for an entire year?
Most every team is actually winning based on the production of the top 6-8 players in their rotation. When you actually look at the teams the Knicks will be competing with it's much clearer what they have to get from the Knicks rotation players to be competitive. I was not comparing the Knicks with the Wiz, but rather the teams likely to be 6-14 in the East, but since you mentioned them.
2014-15
PLAYER GP GS MIN PPG OFFR DEFR RPG APG SPG BPG TPG FPG A/TO PER
John Wall, PG 79 79 35.9 17.6 0.5 4.2 4.6 10.0 1.75 0.57 3.8 2.3 2.6 19.9
Bradley Beal, SG 63 59 33.4 15.3 0.9 2.9 3.8 3.1 1.21 0.29 2.0 2.2 1.6 14.0
Marcin Gortat, C 82 82 29.9 12.2 2.2 6.5 8.7 1.2 0.60 1.34 1.2 2.3 1.0 18.3
Paul Pierce, SF 73 73 26.2 11.9 0.6 3.4 4.0 2.0 0.63 0.33 1.3 2.2 1.6 15.2
Nene Hilario, PF 67 58 25.3 11.0 1.3 3.9 5.1 1.8 0.99 0.33 1.9 2.7 1.0 14.3
Kris Humphries, PF 64 17 21.0 8.0 1.8 4.7 6.5 0.9 0.53 0.39 0.7 2.0 1.2 15.5
Rasual Butler, SF 75 1 20.1 7.7 0.4 2.3 2.6 0.8 0.39 0.29 0.6 1.3 1.3 11.4
Ramon Sessions, PG† 28 3 19.5 7.4 0.4 2.3 2.7 3.1 0.57 0.00 1.3 1.0 2.5 14.7
We can't say for sure who the top 8 players for the Knicks will be, but I think there's enough talent there to be competitive. IMO this ins't going to be a bottom feeding team.
2015-16 Knicks Estimate based on 2013-14 stats. I'm using 2013-14 since last year was marred by injury for our top players.
PLAYER GP GS MIN PPG OFFR DEFR RPG APG SPG BPG TPG FPG A/TO PER
Carmelo Anthony 77 77 38.7 27.4 1.9 6.2 8.1 3.1 1.23 0.66 2.6 2.9 1.2 24.5
Arron Afflalo 73 73 35.0 18.2 0.4 3.2 3.6 3.4 0.48 0.04 2.0 1.9 1.7 16.1
Robin Lopez, C 82 82 31.8 11.1 4.0 4.5 8.5 0.9 0.30 1.70 1.0 2.4 0.9 17.7
Jose Calderon 81 81 30.5 11.4 0.4 2.0 2.4 4.7 0.85 0.14 1.3 1.7 3.7 15.2
Langston Galloway, PG 45 41 32.4 11.8 0.8 3.4 4.2 3.3 1.16 0.27 1.4 2.9 2.5 12.4
Kyle O'Quinn ??
Kevin Seraphin ??
Derrick Williams ??
Kristaps Porzingis ??
Jerian Grant ??
I'm talking about the Knicks competing with this group of teams.
6. Toronto Raptors 7. Milwaukee Bucks 8. Boston Celtics
Proj. record: 44-38 Proj. record: 44-38 Proj. record: 40-42
Last season: 49-33 Last season: 41-41 Last season: 40-429. Indiana Pacers 10. Charlotte Hornets 11. Detroit Pistons 12. Brooklyn Nets 13. Orlando Magic 14. New York Knicks
Proj. record: 39-43 Proj. record: 35-47 Proj. record: 35-47 Proj. record: 30-52 Proj. record: 30-52 Proj. record: 25-57
Last season: 38-44 Last season: 33-49 Last season: 32-50 Last season: 38-44 Last season: 25-57 Last season: 17-65
Once again, i'm not suggesting Melo play 38.7 mpg.
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