holfresh wrote:dk7th wrote:holfresh wrote:dk7th wrote:holfresh wrote:dk7th wrote:holfresh wrote:dk7th wrote:holfresh wrote:dk7th wrote:holfresh wrote:dk7th wrote:holfresh wrote:dk7th wrote:holfresh wrote:ESOMKnicks wrote:Question for some of the more experienced Knicks fans: was Bernard King subjected to the same type of criticism as Melo back in his Knicks playing days?As for Melo accepting a lesser role on the offense, who is it that the Knicks have on their roster now that is bursting with offensive prowess that Melo is holding back?
It's wasn't the same..It was a different era..The big money Melo makes is an issue...24/7 news cycle..The internet..Anyone is writing a column these days...And I mean the dude down the block or in a dorm room or his mother's basement...The hip hop era...Allen Iverson..Corn rolls and tattoos...There hate is real out there but there are some that has legit basketball questions..Just that today they mask their issues and says it's about basketball and the game...It's deeper...Guys like Melo don't carry themselves in a manner that apologies for their wealth or status..It rubs some the wrong way...
you started off with two truths and then went into justifying melo's behavior. the dude has been an in love with himself greedy infantile douche.
You are justifying my point by mentioning "Melo's behavior"...
okay.. so u characterize his behavior a certain way and say it is perfectly good and acceptable behavior. meanwhile i characterize his behavior a certain way, differently from u, and say it is not perfectly good and acceptable.
u seem to be headed down a particular primrose path with your post..
No what I'm saying is that I don't care about Melo's behavior..I could care less what he is doing off the court...Seem like his cash moves bother you, what happens in TMZ and social media..I care when the refs toss up the basketball to when they blow the final whistle...
and when his behavior and business decisions affect the quality of his teams/teammates and the morale of the teams/teammates, what then?
By business decisions, you mean the instances you feel he should act against his own self interest?
you're way too black and white as usual. there's a reason why contracts are negotiated. if you end up with a boatload of cash but a paucity of talent then that's going to be a problem. or, if you are afraid if missing that boat on a big payday and force a trade that pays you well but costs the team you are going to a bunch of human assets in exchange for your services then that too is going to be a problem.
that's why being a savvy negotiator who is finding a balance between money and work atmosphere is so important. melo lacks the savvy because he only sees dollar signs. so he is actually working against his own self interests as an nba player. the money he makes comes ata significant price-- can you understand that statement?
what i have resented about the knicks is that there was an opportunity to build something in 2010. we had ALL the leverage to keep a patient rebuild going, and then completely sabotaged that process. hre we are 4-5 years later and essentially nothing has changed... although i believe we will see signs of that progress that we could have witnessed in 2011-2012 had the melo deal not occurred as it did.
melo as a free agent in 2011-2012 would have been a much better scenario. but yeah he acted in his own perceived self-interest even though it was self-destructive.
You fail to illustrate the bad management we had in the process..U fail to see the bad management in place right now..Donnie and MDA signed Amare..The team was doomed from that single act..Melo or no Melo...Amnestying Billups was a disaster after picking up his option a few months earlier..Bringing in Chandler, another disaster..MDA was a disaster...But you continue to moan about Melo's contract and trade..Gallo turned out to be nothing...Will is just an ok player..Moz the same..They didn't help Denver do anything...
Donnie wanted DWill over Melo..We would have been so hosed with Amare, DWill and MDA...We just paid the wrong Lopez 13/14 mil per...DWill 5 mil per and Affalo 8 mil ..We resigned Admunson and Thomas and u are worried about Melo at 22/23 per...If I were Melo, I would be pissed I gave up money for this...
it's 24 million per year.
but lets do this: what would you have thought of melo if he had decided to take a real paycut, and play for 18 million per instead? what would you think of melo then?
your hypocrisy is now firmly settled in my crosshairs..
Who is going to give up 40 mil of earnings in the prime of the earning career??..On probably the last big contract of their career..Come on..You have a prob with Melo's money but not the wrong Lopez's money??..Gallo is making 17 mil per...
lets say melo did.... what would you think of melo then?
can't you answer this question??
Strange question..I don't think about Melo's money..I wouldn't care or think anything of him...If he wants to do Phil a solid, he wants to do Phil a solid..
compartmentalization is the sign of mental illness. you need to have your head examined.
My point of view is that Melo is being paid around what a player of his ilk is paid...2 mil here or there isn't an issue...If Melo asked for and received 30 mil then I have issues...Dude brings it to the court, to the seats, and to the tube...It's a business first..Pay the man...Because, Dolan is getting paid, Phil is getting paid and Fisher is getting paid..
The wrong Lopez isn't brining it...13 mil per is well overpaid given his production...I wouldn't pay him over 7/8 mil but that's just me...
it's okay to be a business first but not to the exclusion of everything else, including winning. that starts with the owner not meddling, allowing the people he hires to do the job they are hired to do. that has not happened since dolan took over the franchise. dolan is not truly interested in the knicks winning titles... bt he is interested in getting stars to pt azzes in seats, regardless of winning. fortunately for him, there are plenty of corporate fvckheads and riffraff dipsh!ts who lap up whatever glop dolan puts out there. melo shares dolan's values... which i find pathetic.
melo is the sole remaining player from the "dolan as meddling nincompoop" era. so yeah sure he got his money, reflecting the meddling owners values-- but you can't have your cake and eat it too at this point if you're melo. phil jackson was hired to make the knicks respectable and competitive, he asked for something from melo... and he didn't get anything close to what he asked of melo. melo would have been welcomed with open arms to chicago but no he decided to make a business decision instead, forgoing a genuine chance at achieving something significant for just the second time in his career.
fisher and jackson's money do not count against the cap so it is classic misdirection and hypocrisy to bring them up for comparison. lopez is overpaid, but melo is vastly overpaid, and now that he is breaking down he has only weakened his own chance to play in significant games in may.
knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%