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mreinman
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8/3/2015 1:18 PM
Nalod wrote:mreinman wrote:Nalod wrote:Leadership. phil don't like melo neither. I am sure that we will finally get to hear all about it in an upcoming book. so here is what phil is thinking ....
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Nalod
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8/3/2015 2:36 PM LAST EDITED: 8/3/2015 2:37 PM
mreinman wrote:Nalod wrote:mreinman wrote:Nalod wrote:Leadership. I don't get the dislike, I think the message we have seen is "your not bigger than the franchise" Or " you can be the star, but the system will make you, not the other way around". Reality is players are brands too and revenue does matter. Phish understands the ego thing. Yes, there will be a book. I don't see a clear path to a championship nor is Melo pre godlike Jordan or Kobe. In Phils book he discusses the building of brotherhood, togetherness and he uses his Christian and Buddist teachings as good examples. He has filled his coaching staff hand picked with men he trusts to build that. I see him as leader and doing what he knows. Thus the shift from being centric on star player days are gone. The franchise was near destroyed by empowering Marbury and for the price it paid it pandered to Melo as well. Melo is not Marbury. This franchise put too much on its "stars" and while Melo is the last remnant of a by gone knick era, he is still a talented allstar and we are better on the court with him, or as a trade asset and thus worthy of the contract he got. How and were we take that remains to be seen. My opinion matters little and we can only guess and argue over it. The Triangle was labeled old fashioned when he took over the bulls. Its being labeled the same by some now. PHil is not the coach but he is the leader of the franchise. I expect Fish to teach these guys how to win and how to think as one. I would imagine the books will be given to some players and perhaps they can enlighten. Phil also wanted his players to figure things out on their own and not always be micromanaged on the court. Some of Fish's critics think he is clueless or stoic and does not call time outs. I see this as similar to how phil coached. Games become classrooms for them to learn. Expect more of this. Fans will call for Fish's head. Read the books. If Phil does the hiring and firing, then you'll understand a new coach is not the same agenda as the man in charge. |
GustavBahler
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8/3/2015 3:19 PM LAST EDITED: 8/3/2015 3:20 PM
Phil went kicking and screaming into the Triangle. Tex Winter and mgmt had to convince him of its merits. Im a fan of Phil taking a different approach to coaching than some of his other contemporaries. It obviously had a positive impact. For all the Zen talk, his back handed comments about players past and present, comments about teams which are actually contending, contributes nothing towards creating a positive atmosphere and changing the culture IMO.
Phil is learning on the job, is picking things up at a nice clip, made what look to be great picks, and some nice signings. Dont want to leave the impression that I believe he's doing a bad job overall. Looks like he is making smart personnel decisions for the most part right now, thats what matters more than anything. |
nixluva
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8/3/2015 3:43 PM
GustavBahler wrote:Phil went kicking and screaming into the Triangle. Tex Winter and mgmt had to convince him of its merits. Im a fan of Phil taking a different approach to coaching than some of his other contemporaries. It obviously had a positive impact. For all the Zen talk, his back handed comments about players past and present, comments about teams which are actually contending, contributes nothing towards creating a positive atmosphere and changing the culture IMO. Phil wasn't resistant to the Triangle. He was open to learning about it as he always was a believer in system basketball and team oriented play. Once he spent time with Tex and came to understand the system he was accepting of it. “Nobody ever picked Tex’s brain like Phil did, and the results spoke for themselves,” Krause said in a telephone interview hours after Jackson’s storied career ended http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/10/sports/basketball/10araton.html?_r=1 |
holfresh
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8/3/2015 3:46 PM
I can't see buying into Phil's schtick about trust when he tosses everyone he can under the bus to explain his decision making...
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ChuckBuck
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8/3/2015 3:58 PM
holfresh wrote:I can't see buying into Phil's schtick about trust when he tosses everyone he can under the bus to explain his decision making... He's an equal opportunity under the bus thrower. Jordan, Kobe, Shaq be damned. The old adage from "A League of Their Own" applies here. There's no crying in basketball as well. |
holfresh
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8/3/2015 4:02 PM LAST EDITED: 8/3/2015 4:03 PM
ChuckBuck wrote:holfresh wrote:I can't see buying into Phil's schtick about trust when he tosses everyone he can under the bus to explain his decision making... How did he throw Jordan under the bus?? And how did he throw Shaq under the bus??..Jordan used to tell him who to sub... |
GustavBahler
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8/3/2015 4:06 PM
nixluva wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Phil went kicking and screaming into the Triangle. Tex Winter and mgmt had to convince him of its merits. Im a fan of Phil taking a different approach to coaching than some of his other contemporaries. It obviously had a positive impact. For all the Zen talk, his back handed comments about players past and present, comments about teams which are actually contending, contributes nothing towards creating a positive atmosphere and changing the culture IMO. On that point, I stand corrected. |
ChuckBuck
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8/3/2015 4:13 PM
Jackson on Bryant training harder than Jordan ever did:
Q: Is Kobe Bryant the model for Carmelo Anthony? Jackson on Shaq lack of work ethic in training as well as his off the court personality and endeavors: “Shaq didn’t work at it,” Jackson said. “Michael was able to succeed despite all kinds of limitations in his game. He couldn’t hit an outside shot. He couldn’t defend. But all of that went away because of his work ethic. Kobe saw that as a pinnacle that he had to reach, and he took it to a whole new level.” No one is above reproach when it comes to Phil. Gots to have thick skin in this biz. |
holfresh
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8/3/2015 4:21 PM
ChuckBuck wrote:Jackson on Bryant training harder than Jordan ever did:Q: Is Kobe Bryant the model for Carmelo Anthony? How is that throwing Jordan under the bus..That's a compliment to Kobe..And that not throwing Shaq under the bus either.. |
ChuckBuck
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8/3/2015 4:24 PM
He basically said Kobe outworks Jordan, and Shaq is a lazy clown.
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holfresh
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8/3/2015 4:40 PM LAST EDITED: 8/3/2015 4:42 PM
ChuckBuck wrote:He basically said Kobe outworks Jordan, and Shaq is a lazy clown. Some of that commentary by Phil are puzzling..Phil said MJ couldn't play defense???..MJ was all defensive team before Phil got there..MJ was leading the league in steals before Phil got there...MJ was a much better defender than Kobe..Much better...MJ has some crazy stat like 200 steals, and 100 blocks in a season, multiple times when no other player had ever done it... |