newyorknewyork wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

mreinman wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

TPercy wrote:

holfresh wrote:

arkrud wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

TPercy wrote:

holfresh wrote:

TPercy wrote:

holfresh wrote:You guys are all dreaming..The triangle needs Melo more than Melo needs the triangle...Show me the Phil Jackson team that ran the triangle that didn't have a gunner or a guy running ISO inside of 5 mins of the 4th quarter..This guy is Porzingis??..Don't make me laugh..Phil Jackson won't survive a year outside Melo's departure...If Melo ask for a trade, you are looking at sub 30 win seasons for the next few years..This will seal the fact the Phil's tenure was a failure..

We are already looking at a sub 30 win team. This team will be lucky to even win 34 games with the team we have if melo keeps on playing the way he is playing. Melo is nowhere near the level of Jordan or Kobe. Do you really think melo not playing team basketball or defense is going to lead us to a fifty win team with any squad we have? Either way we are screwd. If we trade melo we are looking at getting multiple picks back and or players that will and/or players decent players that will at least make the effort. If we trade melo and get a reasonable package back it up ill do far from making Phil a faluire.

Melo has led 8 teams that have won 50+ games and one thats been to the WCF...

So what. The triangle emphasizes team and high IQ play. Does melo possess any of that? No. Simple.

You just asked if Melo can lead a 50 win team and I answered...

Many feel that Kidd led team54.

Kidd also is credited with its demise.

So why didn't Phil give Kidd 124 mil??..Guys seriously, let's try to be adults and talk about things that are true and relavent..Stop wasting people's valuable time..

Melo get his contract because his brand is increasing the value of Knicks franchise regardless of how Melo fits in bbal system Knicks are playing. He fills the seats of the garden with celebs and casual tourists, he ignites team apparel sales, provided entertainment in social media (more stupid his statements are the better).
MSG not only will get money back for all money they paid to Melo but will get 5-fold profits.
Signing Melo was no-brainier from business perspective.
Probably MSG can run his as positive asset for another year or 2 and then dump him on some small market team for them to get some leftovers.

Why is it so difficult for most of you to admit the reason the Knicks haven't performed well is because of Melo's supporting cast which doesn't exist??

Because it is not true.

Really. Who has performed well? Also, JR does come to mind but he failed every spring.

how has melo done in the spring?

He has won two player of the months in April and managed to carry a pretty heavy load in the playoffs while his teammates wilted. Too bad the Knicks didn't play Cope more

Wrong answer Crush. The correct answer is phucking hideous.

Season      Age  Tm  Lg Pos  G GS   MP   FG  FGA  FG%  3P 3PA  3P%  2P  2PA  2P% eFG%  FT  FTA  FT% ORB DRB  TRB AST STL BLK TOV  PF  PTS
2003-04      19 DEN NBA  SF  4  4 35.8  5.3 16.0 .328 0.5 2.8 .182 4.8 13.3 .358 .344 4.0  5.0 .800 1.8 6.5  8.3 2.8 1.3 0.0 4.3 2.8 15.0
2004-05      20 DEN NBA  SF  5  5 36.0  7.0 16.6 .422 0.0 0.2 .000 7.0 16.4 .427 .422 5.2  6.4 .813 2.8 2.6  5.4 2.0 0.6 0.2 2.6 4.0 19.2
2005-06      21 DEN NBA  SF  5  5 38.6  6.6 19.8 .333 0.0 0.8 .000 6.6 19.0 .347 .333 7.8 10.4 .750 2.4 4.2  6.6 2.8 0.8 0.2 3.0 4.0 21.0
2006-07      22 DEN NBA  SF  5  5 42.0  9.4 19.6 .480 1.8 3.6 .500 7.6 16.0 .475 .526 6.2  7.8 .795 3.6 5.0  8.6 1.2 1.0 0.0 3.8 2.4 26.8
2007-08      23 DEN NBA  SF  4  4 36.5  8.0 22.0 .364 0.5 2.0 .250 7.5 20.0 .375 .375 6.0  7.3 .828 4.8 4.8  9.5 2.0 0.5 0.3 3.0 4.3 22.5
2008-09      24 DEN NBA  SF 16 16 38.3  9.1 20.1 .453 1.5 4.1 .364 7.6 16.0 .477 .491 7.4  9.0 .826 1.6 4.2  5.8 4.1 1.8 0.6 2.3 3.8 27.2
2009-10      25 DEN NBA  SF  6  6 42.3 10.7 23.0 .464 1.0 3.2 .316 9.7 19.8 .487 .486 8.3  9.5 .877 2.3 6.2  8.5 3.3 2.0 0.5 3.5 4.3 30.7
2010-11      26 NYK NBA  SF  4  4 39.0  8.3 22.0 .375 2.3 6.5 .346 6.0 15.5 .387 .426 7.3  8.5 .853 3.3 7.0 10.3 4.8 1.3 0.8 3.3 4.0 26.0
2011-12      27 NYK NBA  SF  5  5 40.8 10.4 24.8 .419 0.8 3.6 .222 9.6 21.2 .453 .435 6.2  8.2 .756 2.6 5.6  8.2 2.2 1.2 0.2 2.8 4.2 27.8
2012-13      28 NYK NBA  PF 12 12 40.1 10.5 25.8 .406 1.4 4.8 .298 9.1 21.1 .431 .434 6.4  7.3 .885 0.9 5.7  6.6 1.6 1.1 0.2 2.6 3.8 28.8
Career              NBA     66 66 39.1  8.9 21.4 .417 1.1 3.5 .320 7.8 18.0 .435 .442 6.7  8.1 .826 2.2 5.0  7.3 2.8 1.3 0.3 2.9 3.8 25.7
                                                                                                                                         
7 seasons       DEN NBA     45 45 38.6  8.4 19.8 .424 1.0 2.8 .339 7.4 17.0 .438 .448 6.8  8.3 .818 2.4 4.6  7.1 3.0 1.3 0.4 3.0 3.7 24.5
3 seasons       NYK NBA     21 21 40.0 10.0 24.9 .404 1.4 4.8 .297 8.6 20.0 .430 .433 6.5  7.7 .846 1.8 5.9  7.7 2.3 1.1 0.3 2.8 4.0 28.0

41% FG for his career. A few in the 30s! 3 Turnovers a game for his postseason career. 1.6 assists per game on that Mirage 54 win seeason!

Let's call a spade a spade shall we. Dude sucks ass in the playoffs, to put it lightly.

He's not as efficient in the post season as the regular season true. But to say he sucks ass is an exaggeration. His rebs, ft attempts, ft %, pts per game, stls all have gone up in the playoffs. And the difference between a 40% fg game 45% fg game and a 50% fg game could be one or two shots the whole game. Hisbast going down should be his biggest knock.

His percentages all go down, turnovers go up, assists go down, shot attempts go way up. Points and rebounds go up due to more minutes played and opportunities.

Basically this all points to "Volume Shooter" and not much else.

Doesn't step up his play in a productive way when it's needed whether in Denver or NY.

ChuckBuck wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

mreinman wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

TPercy wrote:

holfresh wrote:

arkrud wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

TPercy wrote:

holfresh wrote:

TPercy wrote:

holfresh wrote:You guys are all dreaming..The triangle needs Melo more than Melo needs the triangle...Show me the Phil Jackson team that ran the triangle that didn't have a gunner or a guy running ISO inside of 5 mins of the 4th quarter..This guy is Porzingis??..Don't make me laugh..Phil Jackson won't survive a year outside Melo's departure...If Melo ask for a trade, you are looking at sub 30 win seasons for the next few years..This will seal the fact the Phil's tenure was a failure..

We are already looking at a sub 30 win team. This team will be lucky to even win 34 games with the team we have if melo keeps on playing the way he is playing. Melo is nowhere near the level of Jordan or Kobe. Do you really think melo not playing team basketball or defense is going to lead us to a fifty win team with any squad we have? Either way we are screwd. If we trade melo we are looking at getting multiple picks back and or players that will and/or players decent players that will at least make the effort. If we trade melo and get a reasonable package back it up ill do far from making Phil a faluire.

Melo has led 8 teams that have won 50+ games and one thats been to the WCF...

So what. The triangle emphasizes team and high IQ play. Does melo possess any of that? No. Simple.

You just asked if Melo can lead a 50 win team and I answered...

Many feel that Kidd led team54.

Kidd also is credited with its demise.

So why didn't Phil give Kidd 124 mil??..Guys seriously, let's try to be adults and talk about things that are true and relavent..Stop wasting people's valuable time..

Melo get his contract because his brand is increasing the value of Knicks franchise regardless of how Melo fits in bbal system Knicks are playing. He fills the seats of the garden with celebs and casual tourists, he ignites team apparel sales, provided entertainment in social media (more stupid his statements are the better).
MSG not only will get money back for all money they paid to Melo but will get 5-fold profits.
Signing Melo was no-brainier from business perspective.
Probably MSG can run his as positive asset for another year or 2 and then dump him on some small market team for them to get some leftovers.

Why is it so difficult for most of you to admit the reason the Knicks haven't performed well is because of Melo's supporting cast which doesn't exist??

Because it is not true.

Really. Who has performed well? Also, JR does come to mind but he failed every spring.

how has melo done in the spring?

He has won two player of the months in April and managed to carry a pretty heavy load in the playoffs while his teammates wilted. Too bad the Knicks didn't play Cope more

Wrong answer Crush. The correct answer is phucking hideous.

Season      Age  Tm  Lg Pos  G GS   MP   FG  FGA  FG%  3P 3PA  3P%  2P  2PA  2P% eFG%  FT  FTA  FT% ORB DRB  TRB AST STL BLK TOV  PF  PTS
2003-04      19 DEN NBA  SF  4  4 35.8  5.3 16.0 .328 0.5 2.8 .182 4.8 13.3 .358 .344 4.0  5.0 .800 1.8 6.5  8.3 2.8 1.3 0.0 4.3 2.8 15.0
2004-05      20 DEN NBA  SF  5  5 36.0  7.0 16.6 .422 0.0 0.2 .000 7.0 16.4 .427 .422 5.2  6.4 .813 2.8 2.6  5.4 2.0 0.6 0.2 2.6 4.0 19.2
2005-06      21 DEN NBA  SF  5  5 38.6  6.6 19.8 .333 0.0 0.8 .000 6.6 19.0 .347 .333 7.8 10.4 .750 2.4 4.2  6.6 2.8 0.8 0.2 3.0 4.0 21.0
2006-07      22 DEN NBA  SF  5  5 42.0  9.4 19.6 .480 1.8 3.6 .500 7.6 16.0 .475 .526 6.2  7.8 .795 3.6 5.0  8.6 1.2 1.0 0.0 3.8 2.4 26.8
2007-08      23 DEN NBA  SF  4  4 36.5  8.0 22.0 .364 0.5 2.0 .250 7.5 20.0 .375 .375 6.0  7.3 .828 4.8 4.8  9.5 2.0 0.5 0.3 3.0 4.3 22.5
2008-09      24 DEN NBA  SF 16 16 38.3  9.1 20.1 .453 1.5 4.1 .364 7.6 16.0 .477 .491 7.4  9.0 .826 1.6 4.2  5.8 4.1 1.8 0.6 2.3 3.8 27.2
2009-10      25 DEN NBA  SF  6  6 42.3 10.7 23.0 .464 1.0 3.2 .316 9.7 19.8 .487 .486 8.3  9.5 .877 2.3 6.2  8.5 3.3 2.0 0.5 3.5 4.3 30.7
2010-11      26 NYK NBA  SF  4  4 39.0  8.3 22.0 .375 2.3 6.5 .346 6.0 15.5 .387 .426 7.3  8.5 .853 3.3 7.0 10.3 4.8 1.3 0.8 3.3 4.0 26.0
2011-12      27 NYK NBA  SF  5  5 40.8 10.4 24.8 .419 0.8 3.6 .222 9.6 21.2 .453 .435 6.2  8.2 .756 2.6 5.6  8.2 2.2 1.2 0.2 2.8 4.2 27.8
2012-13      28 NYK NBA  PF 12 12 40.1 10.5 25.8 .406 1.4 4.8 .298 9.1 21.1 .431 .434 6.4  7.3 .885 0.9 5.7  6.6 1.6 1.1 0.2 2.6 3.8 28.8
Career              NBA     66 66 39.1  8.9 21.4 .417 1.1 3.5 .320 7.8 18.0 .435 .442 6.7  8.1 .826 2.2 5.0  7.3 2.8 1.3 0.3 2.9 3.8 25.7
                                                                                                                                         
7 seasons       DEN NBA     45 45 38.6  8.4 19.8 .424 1.0 2.8 .339 7.4 17.0 .438 .448 6.8  8.3 .818 2.4 4.6  7.1 3.0 1.3 0.4 3.0 3.7 24.5
3 seasons       NYK NBA     21 21 40.0 10.0 24.9 .404 1.4 4.8 .297 8.6 20.0 .430 .433 6.5  7.7 .846 1.8 5.9  7.7 2.3 1.1 0.3 2.8 4.0 28.0

41% FG for his career. A few in the 30s! 3 Turnovers a game for his postseason career. 1.6 assists per game on that Mirage 54 win seeason!

Let's call a spade a spade shall we. Dude sucks ass in the playoffs, to put it lightly.

He's not as efficient in the post season as the regular season true. But to say he sucks ass is an exaggeration. His rebs, ft attempts, ft %, pts per game, stls all have gone up in the playoffs. And the difference between a 40% fg game 45% fg game and a 50% fg game could be one or two shots the whole game. Hisbast going down should be his biggest knock.

His percentages all go down, turnovers go up, assists go down, shot attempts go way up. Points and rebounds go up due to more minutes played and opportunities.

Basically this all points to "Volume Shooter" and not much else.

Doesn't step up his play in a productive way when it's needed whether in Denver or NY.

That describes 99% of players entering the playoffs..

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

TPercy wrote:

holfresh wrote:

arkrud wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

TPercy wrote:

holfresh wrote:

TPercy wrote:

holfresh wrote:You guys are all dreaming..The triangle needs Melo more than Melo needs the triangle...Show me the Phil Jackson team that ran the triangle that didn't have a gunner or a guy running ISO inside of 5 mins of the 4th quarter..This guy is Porzingis??..Don't make me laugh..Phil Jackson won't survive a year outside Melo's departure...If Melo ask for a trade, you are looking at sub 30 win seasons for the next few years..This will seal the fact the Phil's tenure was a failure..

We are already looking at a sub 30 win team. This team will be lucky to even win 34 games with the team we have if melo keeps on playing the way he is playing. Melo is nowhere near the level of Jordan or Kobe. Do you really think melo not playing team basketball or defense is going to lead us to a fifty win team with any squad we have? Either way we are screwd. If we trade melo we are looking at getting multiple picks back and or players that will and/or players decent players that will at least make the effort. If we trade melo and get a reasonable package back it up ill do far from making Phil a faluire.

Melo has led 8 teams that have won 50+ games and one thats been to the WCF...

So what. The triangle emphasizes team and high IQ play. Does melo possess any of that? No. Simple.

You just asked if Melo can lead a 50 win team and I answered...

Many feel that Kidd led team54.

Kidd also is credited with its demise.

So why didn't Phil give Kidd 124 mil??..Guys seriously, let's try to be adults and talk about things that are true and relavent..Stop wasting people's valuable time..

Melo get his contract because his brand is increasing the value of Knicks franchise regardless of how Melo fits in bbal system Knicks are playing. He fills the seats of the garden with celebs and casual tourists, he ignites team apparel sales, provided entertainment in social media (more stupid his statements are the better).
MSG not only will get money back for all money they paid to Melo but will get 5-fold profits.
Signing Melo was no-brainier from business perspective.
Probably MSG can run his as positive asset for another year or 2 and then dump him on some small market team for them to get some leftovers.

Why is it so difficult for most of you to admit the reason the Knicks haven't performed well is because of Melo's supporting cast which doesn't exist??

Because it is not true.

Really. Who has performed well? Also, JR does come to mind but he failed every spring.

the knicks haven't performed well because melo forced a trade-- with dolan's blessing-- of good players and thrust the knicks into win-now mode. the team has been in turmoil ever since he arrived, including the 54 wins, with dolan meddling all the way. the trail of destruction from these two malignant narcissists is clear. dolan finally admitted he does not understand what he is doing and agreed to step aside with only one demand, that melo be retained. melo refused to do the right thing by taking a meaningful pay cut because in spite of all the words he is all about money and branding.

nevertheless at least someone talked sense to dolan who agreed to hire jackson... and the rebuild finally began. too bad melo thought that he could have his cake and eat it too. but then he is very stupid and very selfish.

culture change means cleaning up dolan and melo's doodoo. that's the core issue, not some idiotic "supporting cast" bullshyte.

The question was regarding the players on the team. I can't think of an answer but it wasn't posed so that you could go to your talking points. What teammates of Melo on the Knicks have performed well?

i answered the way that i did because you have reading comprehension problems as well as difficulties reasoning without lying as well as an inability to retain information when it has been presented to you.

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

TPercy wrote:

holfresh wrote:

TPercy wrote:

holfresh wrote:You guys are all dreaming..The triangle needs Melo more than Melo needs the triangle...Show me the Phil Jackson team that ran the triangle that didn't have a gunner or a guy running ISO inside of 5 mins of the 4th quarter..This guy is Porzingis??..Don't make me laugh..Phil Jackson won't survive a year outside Melo's departure...If Melo ask for a trade, you are looking at sub 30 win seasons for the next few years..This will seal the fact the Phil's tenure was a failure..

We are already looking at a sub 30 win team. This team will be lucky to even win 34 games with the team we have if melo keeps on playing the way he is playing. Melo is nowhere near the level of Jordan or Kobe. Do you really think melo not playing team basketball or defense is going to lead us to a fifty win team with any squad we have? Either way we are screwd. If we trade melo we are looking at getting multiple picks back and or players that will and/or players decent players that will at least make the effort. If we trade melo and get a reasonable package back it up ill do far from making Phil a faluire.

Melo has led 8 teams that have won 50+ games and one thats been to the WCF...

So what. The triangle emphasizes team and high IQ play. Does melo possess any of that? No. Simple.

You just asked if Melo can lead a 50 win team and I answered...

Many feel that Kidd led team54.

Kidd also is credited with its demise.

So why didn't Phil give Kidd 124 mil??..Guys seriously, let's try to be adults and talk about things that are true and relavent..Stop wasting people's valuable time..

Do you pay Kidd that kind of money if he was 29 and had just been in the finals two years in a row? We both know the answer.

We also have a pretty good idea that Dolan was probably a factor in the original trade for Carmelo, and probably involved in the resigning.

You can make a case that if the Knicks had their pick next year, Phil might have traded Anthony and just blown everything up.

Two high lottery picks in consecutive years, plus whatever picks/players you got for Anthony, might have been the way to go.

blkexec wrote:

dk7th wrote:

blkexec wrote:So i guess theres no chance melo and kp to carry us to the eastern conference finals? If kp is a franchise talent then whats wrong with having 2 franchise players in a proven system built to win championships. Dont forget the bulls won 60 games without jordan in this system. I think knick fans are really sleeping on this team. Its a blue collar system with blue collar players and two franchise players. On top of that we have a young pg in grant who can compete on both ends against anybody in the nba.....dont let our history blind you! No more paper rosters full of iso players. This is a team ready to punch the clock. Everybody on this team has a chip on their shoulder.

there's no chance because melo is not, never was, and never will be... a franchise player. if anything he is a hindrance to winning it all. if he wins a title it will be as a sixth man.

Well i dont mind being the only one that believes Melo will be a different player under Phil and his triangle system. He has the jordan brand and bff with kobe. If he signed here because of phil then he believes he will win a chip in nyc. He has too much pride anf nyc connections to quit. So when you have a motivated star willing to prove haters wrong, that usually results into team success. Melo today is not the same melo of yesterday. But dont worry....wait until briggs sends out another post mid season saying we can win with melo if he continues to play this way. Good job briggs....i have to give it to you. You have a strong following but as usual i have to disagree with you.

And for the record im not a melo fan. But i believe everybody has the opportunity to change. This is the best time for melo to prove everybody wrong.

Hope you are right. Without the Knicks having another established "star" besides Anthony for him to defer to, I fear it is difficult for a player like Carmelo to give up part of his game for the team.

Will Anthony be willing to exist with an 18/8/5 line, with opportunities for fewer, but more timely hero-ball moments, if the team is somehow able to compete for or get into the 8th playoff slot? Would he be willing to do this if it meant not being voted into the All-Star game because outside fans were too dumb to realize that his reduced numbers were a positive thing for the team?

I think if Anthony happily said yes to this I'd be less of a "skeptic."

WaltLongmire wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

TPercy wrote:

holfresh wrote:

TPercy wrote:

holfresh wrote:You guys are all dreaming..The triangle needs Melo more than Melo needs the triangle...Show me the Phil Jackson team that ran the triangle that didn't have a gunner or a guy running ISO inside of 5 mins of the 4th quarter..This guy is Porzingis??..Don't make me laugh..Phil Jackson won't survive a year outside Melo's departure...If Melo ask for a trade, you are looking at sub 30 win seasons for the next few years..This will seal the fact the Phil's tenure was a failure..

We are already looking at a sub 30 win team. This team will be lucky to even win 34 games with the team we have if melo keeps on playing the way he is playing. Melo is nowhere near the level of Jordan or Kobe. Do you really think melo not playing team basketball or defense is going to lead us to a fifty win team with any squad we have? Either way we are screwd. If we trade melo we are looking at getting multiple picks back and or players that will and/or players decent players that will at least make the effort. If we trade melo and get a reasonable package back it up ill do far from making Phil a faluire.

Melo has led 8 teams that have won 50+ games and one thats been to the WCF...

So what. The triangle emphasizes team and high IQ play. Does melo possess any of that? No. Simple.

You just asked if Melo can lead a 50 win team and I answered...

Many feel that Kidd led team54.

Kidd also is credited with its demise.

So why didn't Phil give Kidd 124 mil??..Guys seriously, let's try to be adults and talk about things that are true and relavent..Stop wasting people's valuable time..

You know that Kidd was too old...waste of time to even put this kind of statement on the table.

Do you pay Kidd that kind of money if he was 29 and had just been in the finals two years in a row? We both know the answer.

We also have a pretty good idea that Dolan was probably a factor in the original trade for Carmelo, and probably involved in the resigning.

You can make a case that if the Knicks had their pick next year, Phil might have traded Anthony and just blown everything up.

Two high lottery picks in consecutive years, plus whatever picks/players you got for Anthony, might have been the way to go.

The point is that Melo at 28.7 pts and 7 boards was more key to that team than Kidd's 6 pts 3 asst...

But I'm hoping for a Melo trade to a good team..

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

TPercy wrote:

holfresh wrote:

arkrud wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

TPercy wrote:

holfresh wrote:

TPercy wrote:

holfresh wrote:You guys are all dreaming..The triangle needs Melo more than Melo needs the triangle...Show me the Phil Jackson team that ran the triangle that didn't have a gunner or a guy running ISO inside of 5 mins of the 4th quarter..This guy is Porzingis??..Don't make me laugh..Phil Jackson won't survive a year outside Melo's departure...If Melo ask for a trade, you are looking at sub 30 win seasons for the next few years..This will seal the fact the Phil's tenure was a failure..

We are already looking at a sub 30 win team. This team will be lucky to even win 34 games with the team we have if melo keeps on playing the way he is playing. Melo is nowhere near the level of Jordan or Kobe. Do you really think melo not playing team basketball or defense is going to lead us to a fifty win team with any squad we have? Either way we are screwd. If we trade melo we are looking at getting multiple picks back and or players that will and/or players decent players that will at least make the effort. If we trade melo and get a reasonable package back it up ill do far from making Phil a faluire.

Melo has led 8 teams that have won 50+ games and one thats been to the WCF...

So what. The triangle emphasizes team and high IQ play. Does melo possess any of that? No. Simple.

You just asked if Melo can lead a 50 win team and I answered...

Many feel that Kidd led team54.

Kidd also is credited with its demise.

So why didn't Phil give Kidd 124 mil??..Guys seriously, let's try to be adults and talk about things that are true and relavent..Stop wasting people's valuable time..

Melo get his contract because his brand is increasing the value of Knicks franchise regardless of how Melo fits in bbal system Knicks are playing. He fills the seats of the garden with celebs and casual tourists, he ignites team apparel sales, provided entertainment in social media (more stupid his statements are the better).
MSG not only will get money back for all money they paid to Melo but will get 5-fold profits.
Signing Melo was no-brainier from business perspective.
Probably MSG can run his as positive asset for another year or 2 and then dump him on some small market team for them to get some leftovers.

Why is it so difficult for most of you to admit the reason the Knicks haven't performed well is because of Melo's supporting cast which doesn't exist??

Because it is not true.

Really. Who has performed well? Also, JR does come to mind but he failed every spring.

the knicks haven't performed well because melo forced a trade-- with dolan's blessing-- of good players and thrust the knicks into win-now mode. the team has been in turmoil ever since he arrived, including the 54 wins, with dolan meddling all the way. the trail of destruction from these two malignant narcissists is clear. dolan finally admitted he does not understand what he is doing and agreed to step aside with only one demand, that melo be retained. melo refused to do the right thing by taking a meaningful pay cut because in spite of all the words he is all about money and branding.

nevertheless at least someone talked sense to dolan who agreed to hire jackson... and the rebuild finally began. too bad melo thought that he could have his cake and eat it too. but then he is very stupid and very selfish.

culture change means cleaning up dolan and melo's doodoo. that's the core issue, not some idiotic "supporting cast" bullshyte.

The question was regarding the players on the team. I can't think of an answer but it wasn't posed so that you could go to your talking points. What teammates of Melo on the Knicks have performed well?

i answered the way that i did because you have reading comprehension problems as well as difficulties reasoning without lying as well as an inability to retain information when it has been presented to you.

You think you answered the question who has preformed well on the Knicks during Melo's tenure? I haven't seen a name yet.

the question posed is an example of a red herring, and is poorly conceived and poorly written. the essence of it however is as a fallacy.

that you see it as legitimate or missed its obvious fallaciousness shows a primitive and limited form of reasoning, something you clearly share with holfresh.

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holfresh wrote:You guys are all dreaming..The triangle needs Melo more than Melo needs the triangle...Show me the Phil Jackson team that ran the triangle that didn't have a gunner or a guy running ISO inside of 5 mins of the 4th quarter..This guy is Porzingis??..Don't make me laugh..Phil Jackson won't survive a year outside Melo's departure...If Melo ask for a trade, you are looking at sub 30 win seasons for the next few years..This will seal the fact the Phil's tenure was a failure..

We are already looking at a sub 30 win team. This team will be lucky to even win 34 games with the team we have if melo keeps on playing the way he is playing. Melo is nowhere near the level of Jordan or Kobe. Do you really think melo not playing team basketball or defense is going to lead us to a fifty win team with any squad we have? Either way we are screwd. If we trade melo we are looking at getting multiple picks back and or players that will and/or players decent players that will at least make the effort. If we trade melo and get a reasonable package back it up ill do far from making Phil a faluire.

Melo has led 8 teams that have won 50+ games and one thats been to the WCF...

So what. The triangle emphasizes team and high IQ play. Does melo possess any of that? No. Simple.

You just asked if Melo can lead a 50 win team and I answered...

Many feel that Kidd led team54.

Kidd also is credited with its demise.

So why didn't Phil give Kidd 124 mil??..Guys seriously, let's try to be adults and talk about things that are true and relavent..Stop wasting people's valuable time..

Melo get his contract because his brand is increasing the value of Knicks franchise regardless of how Melo fits in bbal system Knicks are playing. He fills the seats of the garden with celebs and casual tourists, he ignites team apparel sales, provided entertainment in social media (more stupid his statements are the better).
MSG not only will get money back for all money they paid to Melo but will get 5-fold profits.
Signing Melo was no-brainier from business perspective.
Probably MSG can run his as positive asset for another year or 2 and then dump him on some small market team for them to get some leftovers.

Why is it so difficult for most of you to admit the reason the Knicks haven't performed well is because of Melo's supporting cast which doesn't exist??

Because it is not true.

Really. Who has performed well? Also, JR does come to mind but he failed every spring.

the knicks haven't performed well because melo forced a trade-- with dolan's blessing-- of good players and thrust the knicks into win-now mode. the team has been in turmoil ever since he arrived, including the 54 wins, with dolan meddling all the way. the trail of destruction from these two malignant narcissists is clear. dolan finally admitted he does not understand what he is doing and agreed to step aside with only one demand, that melo be retained. melo refused to do the right thing by taking a meaningful pay cut because in spite of all the words he is all about money and branding.

nevertheless at least someone talked sense to dolan who agreed to hire jackson... and the rebuild finally began. too bad melo thought that he could have his cake and eat it too. but then he is very stupid and very selfish.

culture change means cleaning up dolan and melo's doodoo. that's the core issue, not some idiotic "supporting cast" bullshyte.

The question was regarding the players on the team. I can't think of an answer but it wasn't posed so that you could go to your talking points. What teammates of Melo on the Knicks have performed well?

i answered the way that i did because you have reading comprehension problems as well as difficulties reasoning without lying as well as an inability to retain information when it has been presented to you.

You think you answered the question who has preformed well on the Knicks during Melo's tenure? I haven't seen a name yet.

the question posed is an example of a red herring, and is poorly conceived and poorly written. the essence of it however is as a fallacy.

that you see it as legitimate or missed its obvious fallaciousness shows a primitive and limited form of reasoning, something you clearly share with holfresh.

So you can't name anyone. Got it.

His teams stunk.

He stunk

they both made each other worse.

Harden made his stinkies better. Melo makes his stinkies worse.

Melo sets the playoff tone for sucking ass and taking the most phucked up shots/selection in playoff history.

I have played bball for years. When I play with a chucker I look for worse than I do than if I play with a leader.

PASS THE PHUKINKG BALL YOU JACKASS!!! ME70 WILL NEVER GET IT NO MATTER HOW MUCH PHIL SHOVES HIS BIG ZENIS DOWN HIS THROAT!

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mreinman wrote:His teams stunk.

He stunk

they both made each other worse.

Harden made his stinkies better. Melo makes his stinkies worse.

Melo sets the playoff tone for sucking ass and taking the most phucked up shots/selection in playoff history.

I have played bball for years. When I play with a chucker I look for worse than I do than if I play with a leader.

PASS THE PHUKINKG BALL YOU JACKASS!!! ME70 WILL NEVER GET IT NO MATTER HOW MUCH PHIL SHOVES HIS BIG ZENIS DOWN HIS THROAT!

Harden and Melo are 2 totally different players. Harden has the ball in his hands and is a guard. When things are going wrong with the Knicks, Melo usually gets the ball after everyone else has begged off taking a shot and then he has to bail the team out. Sometimes he may bring the ball up but he's not Lebron or Harden. Melo needs a PG who can make great decisions for the team and set him up properly. He needs a good team around him as well. He's not the kind of Player that creates for his teammates like Lebron or Harden.

Melo is a PF/SF and not a Point Forward. When the team won 54 games it was a good style of play to start the year. The key to success this year is being able to improve the play of the team around Melo. The better the players around him can perform the more success the team will have, like it did during the 54 win season. It's not all up to Melo to make the team win. He should not be the initiator of the offense like a Lebron or Harden. Things work out better when Melo can be a sniper and an offensive force that teams have to worry about but in the mix with other players doing their job.

fair post.

Melo does need a facilitator that is a LEADER. That is why he performed so well with (good) kidd and CB LEADING the team.

Melo is definitely a sniper, however, when he is missing badly, he needs someone to get the damn ball out of his hands. Jerian is not going to be that guy even if he turns into an ok player. Thinking that he will be is just pipe dreaming.

BRIGGS wrote:This would've been a better look with much less long term money spent

C Oquinn
Pf Melo
Sf Andersen
Sg Affalo
Pg Schveyd

C Aldrich
F Porzingis
G Powell
G Galloway
G Calderon

C Kuzmic
Pf Admundson
F Ndor
G Early
G Mike James

who says?

How Me7o handles that will decide if he's "Bout it" or he's Brand Me7o...