dwiley20 wrote:Tobias wants the Max...haha..Haven't watched him closely enough

I'm scared of the decent player on a bad team with Harris. He's not particularly good at much. Not a rebounder, not a 3pt shooter. His 55% TS% is good. He needs a 22% usage to hit 16.7 PER. That's a lot of shots to become a slightly above average player. No max contract here. Not from me.

crzymdups wrote:Can't afford both - Tobias is looking for $12-15M, DeAndre $18-19M in year 1.

But I would like that team a lot.

If Orlando will let him go for $12m then the Knicks could get Tobias and Jordan by stretching Caldron's contract. If they can trade Calderon without taking on zero salary then they could offer both players just under their full max.

http://knickerblogger.net/the-state-of-the-knicks-salary-cap-entering-the-2015-free-agent-season/

If the Knicks sign less than three free agents with their cap room or more than three free agents with their cap room, here is what they will have in cap room:

$28,578,298 to spend on two free agents.

$29,628,484 to spend on four free agents

$30,153,577 to spend on five free agents

$30,678,670 to spend on six free agents

The $28,578,298 and the $29,103,391 figures are probably the most important ones. This is because the Knicks also have access to what is called the room exception. This is an exception given to teams who use up almost all or all of their cap room (but are not over the cap). It allows them to go over the cap, but only for $2,732,000 for one player (I believe that’s half the current mid-level). So the Knicks can spend the full $28,578,298 on two players and then use the room exception to sign a third player. Or $29,103,391 on three players and then use the room exception to sign a fourth player. Some decent players have signed for the room exception the last few years, including Vince Carter with Dallas in 2013 and Josh McRoberts with Charlotte that same year. The last time the Knicks had access to their room exception was in 2011-12 (after they went under the cap to sign Tyson Chandler). They used it in on JR Smith that year.

I used to note the figures in case the Knicks were to use the stretch provision on Jose Calderon, but that now does not appear to be even a consideration. If it were, they would open up $3,855,590 in cap room (but then have to pay Calderon $3,000,000 a year for five years).

TLover wrote:Tobias & Carmelo are interchange at the 3/4. DeAndre can provide that defensive presence in the for them. Also both guys have upside in that Tobias is 22 & DeAndre is 26.

Whoever we get for the 4 spot will probably be more of a veteran like D.West that we can sign for just a couple of years when the Zinger is ready to take over. I don't think it would be smart to sign a PF to a log contract and then not have enough minutes for the Zinger.

nixluva wrote:I'd prefer Jordan, Danny Green and Bjelica. If not Jordan than Monroe, Green and Bjelica.

Well you can't do that unless you Stretch Calderon. I think a real option is sending a 1st with Calderon if that's what it would cost. Who knows maybe they can do it for cash and two 2s.

My plan for if they traded Calderon would be.

Monroe
Green/Carroll/ Harris
Joseph

Then use the TPE from Jose to do a S&T for Bjelica.

That would possibly get the team several young players with experience. IF the Knicks could get Monroe to take a contract starting at $14m since he wants to have a short contract would be all the better.

Say they get those players to sign contracts starting at $14m, $12, and $7m that would creat almost $3m to use to sign one more player and that's not counting the room exception money.

yellowboy90 wrote:

nixluva wrote:I'd prefer Jordan, Danny Green and Bjelica. If not Jordan than Monroe, Green and Bjelica.

Well you can't do that unless you Stretch Calderon. I think a real option is sending a 1st with Calderon if that's what it would cost. Who knows maybe they can do it for cash and two 2s.

My plan for if they traded Calderon would be.

Monroe
Green/Carroll/ Harris
Joseph

Then use the TPE from Jose to do a S&T for Bjelica.

That would possibly get the team several young players with experience. IF the Knicks could get Monroe to take a contract starting at $14m since he wants to have a short contract would be all the better.

Say they get those players to sign contracts starting at $14m, $12, and $7m that would creat almost $3m to use to sign one more player and that's not counting the room exception money.

Why is Tobias Harris' WS48 so weak? I really have not watched him that much (who watches orlando?) so its hard for me to see why we would pay this guy so much money.

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

nixluva wrote:I'd prefer Jordan, Danny Green and Bjelica. If not Jordan than Monroe, Green and Bjelica.

Well you can't do that unless you Stretch Calderon. I think a real option is sending a 1st with Calderon if that's what it would cost. Who knows maybe they can do it for cash and two 2s.

My plan for if they traded Calderon would be.

Monroe
Green/Carroll/ Harris
Joseph

Then use the TPE from Jose to do a S&T for Bjelica.

That would possibly get the team several young players with experience. IF the Knicks could get Monroe to take a contract starting at $14m since he wants to have a short contract would be all the better.

Say they get those players to sign contracts starting at $14m, $12, and $7m that would creat almost $3m to use to sign one more player and that's not counting the room exception money.

Why is Tobias Harris' WS48 so weak? I really have not watched him that much (who watches orlando?) so its hard for me to see why we would pay this guy so much money.

That's a good question. I'm not entirely sure. However, WS48 around .100 is not bad for a 22 year old. Very few 22 year olds are average NBA players.

he has played 4 years already. What has he shown to deserve to be paid so much? Just on potential? We are gonna pay a guy 12-15 per on potential?

mreinman wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

nixluva wrote:I'd prefer Jordan, Danny Green and Bjelica. If not Jordan than Monroe, Green and Bjelica.

Well you can't do that unless you Stretch Calderon. I think a real option is sending a 1st with Calderon if that's what it would cost. Who knows maybe they can do it for cash and two 2s.

My plan for if they traded Calderon would be.

Monroe
Green/Carroll/ Harris
Joseph

Then use the TPE from Jose to do a S&T for Bjelica.

That would possibly get the team several young players with experience. IF the Knicks could get Monroe to take a contract starting at $14m since he wants to have a short contract would be all the better.

Say they get those players to sign contracts starting at $14m, $12, and $7m that would creat almost $3m to use to sign one more player and that's not counting the room exception money.

Why is Tobias Harris' WS48 so weak? I really have not watched him that much (who watches orlando?) so its hard for me to see why we would pay this guy so much money.

That's a good question. I'm not entirely sure. However, WS48 around .100 is not bad for a 22 year old. Very few 22 year olds are average NBA players.

he has played 4 years already. What has he shown to deserve to be paid so much? Just on potential? We are gonna pay a guy 12-15 per on potential?

mreinman wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

nixluva wrote:I'd prefer Jordan, Danny Green and Bjelica. If not Jordan than Monroe, Green and Bjelica.

Well you can't do that unless you Stretch Calderon. I think a real option is sending a 1st with Calderon if that's what it would cost. Who knows maybe they can do it for cash and two 2s.

My plan for if they traded Calderon would be.

Monroe
Green/Carroll/ Harris
Joseph

Then use the TPE from Jose to do a S&T for Bjelica.

That would possibly get the team several young players with experience. IF the Knicks could get Monroe to take a contract starting at $14m since he wants to have a short contract would be all the better.

Say they get those players to sign contracts starting at $14m, $12, and $7m that would creat almost $3m to use to sign one more player and that's not counting the room exception money.

Why is Tobias Harris' WS48 so weak? I really have not watched him that much (who watches orlando?) so its hard for me to see why we would pay this guy so much money.

That's a good question. I'm not entirely sure. However, WS48 around .100 is not bad for a 22 year old. Very few 22 year olds are average NBA players.

he has played 4 years already. What has he shown to deserve to be paid so much? Just on potential? We are gonna pay a guy 12-15 per on potential?

Yeah, I think that is a little too much. I'd still project that a 22 year old with 4 years experience will have significantly better numbers by 25 and in his 7th year. I could easily see the WS48 going up to .140 or so.

can you provide a comp?

fyi: Monroe's first 2 years were .143, .161

http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=2953