blkexec wrote:Not sure why anybody is hating on this lineup. ...personally i see nothing wrong with that lineup. Aflalo and west are solid vets. Monroe is a decent low post center with a mid range game and a good passer for the triangle. The only problem is defense at sf.....who's guarding bron melo? West? Whis guarding Thompson?

Thanasis eventually HOPEFULLY. Or you trade Melo and add a Carroll, Dreymond Green or Jimmy Butler. Maybe trade Melo to Orlando for Tobias Harris and another play or picks.

gunsnewing wrote:

blkexec wrote:Not sure why anybody is hating on this lineup. ...personally i see nothing wrong with that lineup. Aflalo and west are solid vets. Monroe is a decent low post center with a mid range game and a good passer for the triangle. The only problem is defense at sf.....who's guarding bron melo? West? Whis guarding Thompson?

Thanasis eventually HOPEFULLY. Or you trade Melo and add a Carroll, Dreymond Green or Jimmy Butler. Maybe trade Melo to Orlando for Tobias Harris and another play or picks.

We can't just trade Melo he has a no trade clause, and there in no chance in hell he is waiving it to go to Orlando. Melo would go to the Lakers, Clippers, Brooklyn and Bulls, thats it.

Jmpasq wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

blkexec wrote:Not sure why anybody is hating on this lineup. ...personally i see nothing wrong with that lineup. Aflalo and west are solid vets. Monroe is a decent low post center with a mid range game and a good passer for the triangle. The only problem is defense at sf.....who's guarding bron melo? West? Whis guarding Thompson?

Thanasis eventually HOPEFULLY. Or you trade Melo and add a Carroll, Dreymond Green or Jimmy Butler. Maybe trade Melo to Orlando for Tobias Harris and another play or picks.

We can't just trade Melo he has a no trade clause, and there in no chance in hell he is waiving it to go to Orlando. Melo would go to the Lakers, Clippers, Brooklyn and Bulls, thats it.

Washington for a package of Beal & Nene too

gunsnewing wrote:Yea if teams pass up on Affalo and we get him for $7-8mil because his value is after his invincible stint in Portland after struggling last year in Denver than we got a steal. At 29 there is not reason why he would not be able to get back to being a deadly 3pt shooter in the right system. You can't ask him to do to much other Han win you some games. He is JR when JR is going good without all the off the court antics. We need a guy who can win you games from the perimeter especially in the playoffs to take the pressure of Melo. Cleveland would not have made it as far as they did without Irving and Love if JR had not gone off and win them some games. We saw what happens when Lebron is the only one producing and trying to do everything. If Lebron needs help than certainly Melo does too

I just worry about adding him and Monroe to a team that has Melo, who the hell is defending on this team.

Bonn1997 wrote:At 35, there is usually rapid decline. I wouldn't want West for more than 2 yrs, 6 mil, though he'd probably be insulted if we offered that.
I agree with Yellowboy that overpaying West and Afflalo would negate the positives from the draft.

So LJ & Oakley were worthless at 35? And only worth $3mil per a piece? Guys like KG & Pierce etc...

West is due to make $12+ mil if he comes here for $5.5mil consider it a huge steal and a bargain. He's got minimally another 2-3yrs of being an effective rotational player. In the meantime he will be The default leader on this team. Remember we have desperately lacked leadership since Kidd, Rasheed & Kurt retired. You don't seem to understand the value of a player like West. I'm surprised Bonn because you are usually a guy who can look past points per game stats and notice impact.

We paid Jason Kidd only $3m per at the time and people still complained. I would you have not signed Kidd that year for anything over he LLE $1.3mil per? No right?

It's a long shot he takes $7mil a year less to come here but if he does Knick fans better celebrate and appreciate

blkexec wrote:Not sure why anybody is hating on this lineup. ...personally i see nothing wrong with that lineup. Aflalo and west are solid vets. Monroe is a decent low post center with a mid range game and a good passer for the triangle. The only problem is defense at sf.....who's guarding bron melo? West? Whis guarding Thompson?

The Greek Freak (Thanasis) can start when we play Cleveland and put him on Lebron.

gunsnewing wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:At 35, there is usually rapid decline. I wouldn't want West for more than 2 yrs, 6 mil, though he'd probably be insulted if we offered that.
I agree with Yellowboy that overpaying West and Afflalo would negate the positives from the draft.

So LJ & Oakley were worthless at $35? And only worth $3mil per a piece? Guys like KG & Pierce etc...

West is due to make $12+ mil if he comes here for $5.5mil consider it a huge steal and a bargain. He's got minimally another 2-3yrs of being an effective rotational player. In the meantime he will be The default leader on this team. Remember we have desperately lacked leadership since Kidd, Rasheed & Kurt retired. You don't seem to understand the value of a player like West. I'm surprised Bonn because you are usually a guy who can look past points per game stats and notice impact.

We paid Jason Kidd only $3m per at the time and people still complained. I would you have not signed Kidd that year for anything over he LLE $1.3mil per? No right?

It's a long shot he takes $7mil a year less to come here but if he does Knick fans better celebrate and appreciate

gunsnewing wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Yea if teams pass up on Affalo and we get him for $7-8mil because his value is after his invincible stint in Portland after struggling last year in Denver than we got a steal. At 29 there is not reason why he would not be able to get back to being a deadly 3pt shooter in the right system. You can't ask him to do to much other Han win you some games. He is JR when JR is going good without all the off the court antics. We need a guy who can win you games from the perimeter especially in the playoffs to take the pressure of Melo. Cleveland would not have made it as far as they did without Irving and Love if JR had not gone off and win them some games. We saw what happens when Lebron is the only one producing and trying to do everything. If Lebron needs help than certainly Melo does too

I just worry about adding him and Monroe to a team that has Melo, who the hell is defending on this team.

Porzingis, Grant, Thanasis, Galloway, Amundson, Thomas and hopefully David West. That is more D than we've seen in 15yrs excluding the Jason Kidd, Tyson, Shumpert, Rasheed, Kurt Knicks

How many of them are starting?

Monroe, Melo, Affalo, Caledron would be playing a lot of minutes. The guys your listing are on the bench, some of them might not even be on the team

gunsnewing wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:At 35, there is usually rapid decline. I wouldn't want West for more than 2 yrs, 6 mil, though he'd probably be insulted if we offered that.
I agree with Yellowboy that overpaying West and Afflalo would negate the positives from the draft.

So LJ & Oakley were worthless at $35? And only worth $3mil per a piece? Guys like KG & Pierce etc...

West is due to make $12+ mil if he comes here for $5.5mil consider it a huge steal and a bargain. He's got minimally another 2-3yrs of being an effective rotational player. In the meantime he will be The default leader on this team. Remember we have desperately lacked leadership since Kidd, Rasheed & Kurt retired. You don't seem to understand the value of a player like West. I'm surprised Bonn because you are usually a guy who can look past points per game stats and notice impact.

We paid Jason Kidd only $3m per at the time and people still complained. I would you have not signed Kidd that year for anything over he LLE $1.3mil per? No right?

It's a long shot he takes $7mil a year less to come here but if he does Knick fans better celebrate and appreciate

+1..so weird how some of you forget the pieces you need to actually be successful, it's not all talent

gunsnewing wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:At 35, there is usually rapid decline. I wouldn't want West for more than 2 yrs, 6 mil, though he'd probably be insulted if we offered that.
I agree with Yellowboy that overpaying West and Afflalo would negate the positives from the draft.

So LJ & Oakley were worthless at $35? And only worth $3mil per a piece? Guys like KG & Pierce etc...

West is due to make $12+ mil if he comes here for $5.5mil consider it a huge steal and a bargain. He's got minimally another 2-3yrs of being an effective rotational player. In the meantime he will be The default leader on this team. Remember we have desperately lacked leadership since Kidd, Rasheed & Kurt retired. You don't seem to understand the value of a player like West. I'm surprised Bonn because you are usually a guy who can look past points per game stats and notice impact.

We paid Jason Kidd only $3m per at the time and people still complained. I would you have not signed Kidd that year for anything over he LLE $1.3mil per? No right?

It's a long shot he takes $7mil a year less to come here but if he does Knick fans better celebrate and appreciate

We're talking probabilities. So of course there are exceptions. Unless you have a crystal ball, you can only play the odds as effectively as possible. For example, that means not smoking even though there are some smokers who live to an old age.
Most players statistically peak at around 25 but don't have a rapid decline until 32. Sure, in every day life you're young if you're 30 or even 35 but that is VERY old in NBA terms. I'm even skeptical about giving 4 year contracts to guys who are over 26 but I think you'd have to in a few cases.
You can see an analysis using the wins produced statistic here: http://wagesofwins.com/nba-players-age-like-milk/
And win shares here: http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=2953
It's rare that two different metrics will produce a consensus at the exact same answer, but they did here and that has to increase confidence in their conclusions.