Finestrg wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:Finestrg wrote:Well, for anyone who wants Monroe, this has got to make you feel a little better after hearing speculation today that Monroe may not sign here. I definitely want Monroe -- this dude can be a 20/12 player in this league with only a few more mins a night and a couple more shots up at the basket a night. No question in my mind about that. They go about it a little differently but basically everything I like about Enes Kanter I like about this guy as well. He's basically everything we'd want out of Jahlil Okafor if we had drafted that kid. I honestly don't see much of a difference in Greg Monroe and Okafor. If anything, Greg Monroe is a lot closer to realizing 20/10 production than Okafor is. I find it funny that 99% of people would've loved Okafor in the draft but it feels like less than 50% of the peeps around here don't want Monroe. What's the big difference between the two? Okafor a little wider/thicker (which could present a problem down the road if Jahlil doesn't take care of himself) but honestly, I don't really see any difference.. With Monroe, ya figure there's a lot less waiting to get close to that 20/10 level of play...He'd be a very good signing. Afflalo? I don't know about that one -- nice player, he's in that Wes Matthews class for me. How much is this guy looking for? I'm tellin' ya -- I wouldn't look to throw a ton of money at the 2G spot. Try to bring back Shved, add and continue cultivating Ricky Ledo then look to the DL and/or inexpensive Euro. FAs for a 3rd 2G for depth -- guys like Daniel Hackett (let's see what he's got in SL), Scotty Hopson, Kevin Murphy (innate ability to go out there and score the ball), Orlando Johnson, Jerrell Eddie, Dominique Jones (Phil likes bigger versatile 2s that can handle and distribute the ball--that's exactly what this guy is), maybe Michael Frazier (just because GS is bringing him in for SL doesn't mean his their property -- we can still swoop in an make an offer. Can't picture him sticking with that team anyway--and if he did, how much PT is he ever really getting there? Dude can really shoot it)...Afflalo is a good player but I don't like him for Wes Matthews money. I want Monroe -- that's $15-16mm right there. And I want Monroe as my starting PF. I still want a C. If you told me we could go out an add Monroe and Alexis Ajinca first and then take a crack at Afflalo knowing we also have Shved locked up -- OK. One good thing about bringing in Afflalo though -- he might make NY that much more of an attractive place for a Greg Monroe to sign with. I dunno--my gut tell me conserve cap space here and look for a cheaper solution.
Okafor wasn't my choice in he draft but he would be on a rookie contract. Monroe would be on teh max salary. Are you really comparing those two?
Yes, I am comparing them. You bet...I hear what you're saying -- it would've been ideal to add that same type of ready-to-go post scorer on a rookie contract (I remember talking about the same thing, how beneficial that would've been) but it wasn't in the cards. He never slipped to us.. Time to move on and build the team a different way. So what--because we missed out on Okafor, that was our only option to add a post scorer?? I still want that low post presence, just gonna have to pay a steeper price for it now, whether it's LaMarcus Aldridge, Greg Monroe or someone else. What are ya gonna do? Just the reality of things post draft...Monroe will command less money than Aldridge and for that and several other reasons (younger, more efficient) I like Monroe better. We wound up taking a player in this draft that's a little bit of a project. Safe to say Okafor is definitely more NBA-ready at this point over Porzingis. No argument. That's not to say Porzingis can't contribute this year--I think he can, he just has a little more evolving to do physically and skill/position-wise compared to Okafor. No way are we done enhancing the frontline because we drafted KP -- it's still an ongoing process to continue rebuilding that frontcourt--I feel like we need at least two real solid FA bigs in place this way we can bring KP along at a slower pace. The two bigs I want are Monroe and Alexis Ajinca, two of the better FA bigs out there in terms of value. Both guys are on the young side, skilled and complement KP and Melo pretty well..
The point I was trying make is that skill-wise at that position, there's very little difference between Okafor and Greg Monroe when you get right down to it. I was attempting to compare their games, not their salaries...They are very similar talents and at each player's ceiling, you're looking at roughly the same projection -- a 20/10 PF/C down on the low block. One thing where Monroe has the edge--he's been around a little bit now and is closer to reaching that 20/10 plateau over Okafor--it'll probably take Okafor a shorter duration to reach his ceiling than Porzingis but it's still gonna take some time for him to develop and adjust. Monroe's just the more mature player right now in terms of realizing his full potential. No question we could definitely use that, esp. when you consider we're rebuilding, yes, but still trying to win now with Melo. Another thing that concerns me a little about Okafor -- his weight. He trimmed down for the draft--does he put the extra weight back on now? Interested to see if he turns out to be one of those guys whose weight is an on-going issue to keep under control. That could hinder his development if so. No such issue with Monroe, not that I know of anyway..
Make a good point for Greg Monroe's weakness's vs OK4's weakness's/strengths especially for their first 2 seasons *unless he improves his mobility/athleticism or the depression oh Philly can cause him to be the next Eddy Curry or motivate him much more*
Ajinicia could also be a poor mans KAT *especially for defense*
Willie Reed as a poor mans Greg Monroe
Thabeet as a poor mans ROY HIBBERT in his best years and Thabeet could mature and improve much as he has been working hard with his "potential" could be a Hassan Whiteside on DEFENSE for the D League this year, brought up to the NBA
Biyombo could be a smaller poor mans DeANdre Jordan as well, who is UFA, will be interesting to see how much he gets as he had his career year last season and developed much in terms of his game/strength/body, DEFENSE/REBOUNDING along with Shot blocking/ability to finish around the basket
However, Jordan is looking to save money though Jefferson could have injury concerns, they would like to develop Frank The Tank, Cody Zeller, more PT for Spencer Hawes, another stretch SF/PF in Marvin Williams *closer to a stretch 4* as well as probably resigning Jason Maxiell and then own his early bird rights heading in to next season
Though Biyombo is by far the best DEFENDER of that bunch and Kyle O Quin could be under the raddar pickups....
6/30/2015 12:58 PM