CrushAlot wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

smackeddog wrote:If we luck out in FA, he's worth considering as a fall back, simply because he wouldn't cost anything. In fact the Pacers may be willing to give up something to take his contract off their hands. Bird has been desperately trying to get him NOT to pick up his final year option (he wants to rebuild the team and make them faster)- basically threw him under the bus in the end of season interview and threatened him that if he opts in, they will feature him even less on offence and will send him to the bench. I don't think mentally he can hack new york and the media, but I'd try him out for nothing.

Hibbert kind of fell victim to the nba's hype machine- he's always been flawed and inconsistent and bad on defense, put that playoff series we faced them, the nba decided they were going to manufacture a star. We payed a the price, and later so did he. As soon as Stern left and Silver took over, he sent out a ref's edict basically telling them to stop with that pretend "he went straight up" crap, and from that moment on, Hibberts effectiveness was rapidly scaled back.

huh. didn't know the bold part? is that true? as a frustrated Knicks fan, i'd like to believe it... but oh well...

Yup, after Silver became chief, I remember someone showed the letter sent out to refs (they do this regularly to clarify rules etc) and it was focused on the way they had started calling the "straight up" rule- i.e. most of the time the player wasn't even going straight up

Wow. Thanks. Always learning stuff here. Too bad it wasn't done prior to that playoff series.

crzymdups wrote:The Pacers are cutting ties with Hibbert. He was a defensive monster who made Tyson look like Swiss cheese.

I'm in favor of building something of a power team with Melo. Winslow or Mudiay fit that mold to me. So does Hibbert. And Monroe could fit in well next to Hibbert.

How about this lineup?

PG - Galloway / Shved
SG - Justice Winslow
SF - Melo
PF - Greg Monroe ($15M)
C - Roy Hibbert ($12M)

No thank you on Hibbert. Do not want him on Knicks.

nixluva wrote:

knickscity wrote:He may be a fall back option, hopefully it doesnt come to that.

In the case of Shved they made a judgement based not on what his rep was at that time but his actual fit for the team and system. I think they'd do the same for Hibbert. If they feel he's a good fit then maybe they look to bring him in. It's not what a player looks like on another team but rather how their skills would look on this team, in this system. IMO Hibbert would be a good fit for this system.

nixluva wrote:

knickscity wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knickscity wrote:He may be a fall back option, hopefully it doesnt come to that.

In the case of Shved they made a judgement based not on what his rep was at that time but his actual fit for the team and system. I think they'd do the same for Hibbert. If they feel he's a good fit then maybe they look to bring him in. It's not what a player looks like on another team but rather how their skills would look on this team, in this system. IMO Hibbert would be a good fit for this system.

I'm assuming you're expecting Hibbert to begin doing things he normally doesnt, like playing consistent basketball?

What I know is that human nature often comes into play. You feed the big guys regularly and you can get a lot more out of them. They stay involved in the game and give more effort. This system is one where every player is active at all times and guys get touches because there is not PG pounding the ball all game. We saw Lou Amundson of all people really step up his game and do things he'd never really be asked to do before. That's the kind of offense this is. When we put more talent in this system a guy like Hibbert could actually show more consistent effort because he'd be more involved in the flow of the offense. I know for a fact that he'd get more shots in the post than he did in Indy. He'd be more successful in the post where he shoots a higher percentage and that will lead to a happier player.

knickscity wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knickscity wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knickscity wrote:He may be a fall back option, hopefully it doesnt come to that.

In the case of Shved they made a judgement based not on what his rep was at that time but his actual fit for the team and system. I think they'd do the same for Hibbert. If they feel he's a good fit then maybe they look to bring him in. It's not what a player looks like on another team but rather how their skills would look on this team, in this system. IMO Hibbert would be a good fit for this system.

I'm assuming you're expecting Hibbert to begin doing things he normally doesnt, like playing consistent basketball?

What I know is that human nature often comes into play. You feed the big guys regularly and you can get a lot more out of them. They stay involved in the game and give more effort. This system is one where every player is active at all times and guys get touches because there is not PG pounding the ball all game. We saw Lou Amundson of all people really step up his game and do things he'd never really be asked to do before. That's the kind of offense this is. When we put more talent in this system a guy like Hibbert could actually show more consistent effort because he'd be more involved in the flow of the offense. I know for a fact that he'd get more shots in the post than he did in Indy. He'd be more successful in the post where he shoots a higher percentage and that will lead to a happier player.

I hope you really dont believe Hibbert loafs on the court because he isnt being "involved". Never mind....you know for a fact.

Hibbert took 9.3 FGA's per game. Bargs took 12.4, Amare 8.6, Jason 7.2 and Amundson 5.9. I am confident that Hibbert would get way more touches and take more shots. That will keep him fully engaged and happier as a player. Hibbert in the low post is a much more efficient player. The Triangle keeps him in his sweet spot more often.

If we were able to trade Calderon, Tim Hardway JR, and Early, with our 2015 pick or other 2 1st rounders, it would give us about 10m more in cap space
I would not be surprised if The Lakers or Twolves offered a package for Cousins, with their #1 and #2 pick along with future draft picks, and we likely would need to use our #4 pick and 2 future #1's picks but maybe could get rid of Calderon, Tim Hardway JR, Early, and about 10m of cap space and fillers

I do not know if people realize but at this point, Greg Monroe isn't a lock if we offered the MAX to him, as there are not a lot of quality BIGS in this years FA
He could get options on other teams, leaving us little options outside of RFA's that we could test the market for

yellowboy90 wrote:Hibbert in the low post looks like a nightmare. his around the rim % is beyond terrible regardless the offense. The only way it would work is if the knicks get major compensation for taking his contract

He's not getting nearly the amount of low post looks as he should. I think he'd become more efficient with more consistent low post looks. The way the offense is structured he'd be around the basket for more dump off dunks and put backs due to how the Triangle works. He'd have limited touches out away from the basket because it's not a PnR offense.
Hibbert would most likely stay in the Triangle side and not be used in the Pinch Post.

Hubert should show improvement with more touches in his sweet spot which should happen in the Triangle. He's clearly not getting enough touches on the low block. Just look at how many more touches Al Jeff gets in his sweet spot.

nixluva wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Hibbert in the low post looks like a nightmare. his around the rim % is beyond terrible regardless the offense. The only way it would work is if the knicks get major compensation for taking his contract

He's not getting nearly the amount of low post looks as he should. I think he'd become more efficient with more consistent low post looks. The way the offense is structured he'd be around the basket for more dump off dunks and put backs due to how the Triangle works. He'd have limited touches out away from the basket because it's not a PnR offense.
Hibbert would most likely stay in the Triangle side and not be used in the Pinch Post.

Hubert should show improvement with more touches in his sweet spot which should happen in the Triangle. He's clearly not getting enough touches on the low block. Just look at how many more touches Al Jeff gets in his sweet spot.

More touches more misses. Also, showing me Al Jefferson is not a good example because he isn't that good either