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GustavBahler
Posts: 41138 Alba Posts: 15 Joined: 7/12/2010 Member: #3186 |
5/22/2015 8:16 AM
Winslow looks like he will be a very good role player, but as others have mentioned, thats not what you want with the 4 pick. Unfortunately since we are out of the top three, getting a very good role player is the safest bet.
Phil might not want to take the risk of drafting a potential bust and go that route. Or that theory might be why he could trade the pick to make the most of Melo's prime, while he still has one. |
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Knixkik
Posts: 34904 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 7/24/2001 Member: #11 USA |
5/22/2015 8:17 AM
CrushAlot wrote:If the Knicks take Winslow do they trade Early and/or Thanasis. I think if you grab Winslow at 4 you are planning on him anchoring the 2-3 position for a long time. Early and Thanasis are 2nd round picks. They are role players who will probably never be starting players. You draft Winslow to be a starter, and the others help fill out the roster. |
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CrushAlot
Posts: 59764 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 7/25/2003 Member: #452 USA |
5/22/2015 8:23 AM
Knixkik wrote:CrushAlot wrote:If the Knicks take Winslow do they trade Early and/or Thanasis. I think if you grab Winslow at 4 you are planning on him anchoring the 2-3 position for a long time. I am not saying their not role players but do you need three young guys that play the same position or do you try to move one and fill a need? I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18
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Knixkik
Posts: 34904 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 7/24/2001 Member: #11 USA |
5/22/2015 8:40 AM
CrushAlot wrote:Knixkik wrote:CrushAlot wrote:If the Knicks take Winslow do they trade Early and/or Thanasis. I think if you grab Winslow at 4 you are planning on him anchoring the 2-3 position for a long time. I think Winslow would be a SG here and the other 2 will be SF or combo forwards. I don't think either of them have enough trade value to use to fill another need, i just think both are good fillers in a potential trade. But hopefully we keep both. Always need athletic forwards. |
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anrst
Posts: 22707 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 12/7/2005 Member: #1054 USA |
5/22/2015 8:49 AM
im torn on this kid. he is a very safe pick. he won't be a flop in the league. you can just tell, he has "it" ... its hard to believe he's just a teenager.
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s3231
Posts: 23162 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 1/16/2004 Member: #544 USA |
5/22/2015 9:03 AM
I keep forgetting he is only 19....really think he is going to be a very good player in the league for a long time as he does everything.
As much as we want to complain about missing out on #1 and #2, we are lucky the draft is this strong. There should definitely be an all-star caliber player sitting there at #4. "This is a very cautious situation that we're in. You have to be conservative in terms of using your assets and using them wisely. We're building for the future." - Zeke (I guess not protecting a first round pick is being conservative)
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newyorker4ever
Posts: 26515 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 5/19/2014 Member: #5816 |
5/22/2015 9:47 AM
BRIGGS wrote:The only question mark is his game off the dribble. Thats what Harden does so well and so far Winslow does not. Hes got a great dribble drive and Euro step but he isnt a great shooter off the dribble YET. He does have a good -looking lefty set stroke. BUT D Wade was NOT a good shooter off the dribble initially either--he was prolific at B line drives which could not be stopped. This is the scary guy because he has that combination power and athletic ability set. Only other guys in the draft who hasve the same is Andersen Wells and Rice but they are not at Winslows level of two way play and they are 3 years older. Yeah I agree and can't see any way anyone could be mad at picking him at 4. The kid is being compared to two all stars in Butler and Leonard who both pretty much came into the league with the same questions of great defenders and great athleticism but need to work on their shots and K.Leonard is still inconsistent with his shot at times but both of them are at the top of everyone's wish list in free agency right now. If we stay at 4 then there's three guys on my list at 4 in Winslow, Mudiay, Porzingis and even though I wouldnt be thrilled with the pick I still have WCS as a distant 4th. |
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NYKBocker
Posts: 37945 Alba Posts: 474 Joined: 1/14/2003 Member: #377 USA |
5/22/2015 9:50 AM
I love his game and toughness but I don't think you can justify picking him at 4. Not when you have the ceiling that Russell and Mudiay have.
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newyorker4ever
Posts: 26515 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 5/19/2014 Member: #5816 |
5/22/2015 9:52 AM
Knicks1969 wrote:I still can't believe we are picking fourth in this draft. That is a travesty. At two or three, we would have many more options. At two or three we would have one or two more options. |
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newyorker4ever
Posts: 26515 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 5/19/2014 Member: #5816 |
5/22/2015 9:57 AM
BigDaddyG wrote:Winslow reminds me of guys like Jerry Stackhouse and Quentin Richardson's powerfully built wings who were forced to play power forward in college. I think Winslow can make the transition, but it's hard to tell where he eventually lands. Butler, Stack house...Richard Jefferson? Wings are the hardest guys to predict. For every Arron Afflalo that surprises deep in the draft, there's a guy like Xavier Henry who flops. If I had to guess, I'd say Winslow is closer to Stackhouse. That's a nice player to have. I dont see the comparison between Winslow and Stack at all really. |
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newyorker4ever
Posts: 26515 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 5/19/2014 Member: #5816 |
5/22/2015 10:02 AM
smackeddog wrote:One thing we should add to these case threads maybe should be what free agents you'd target to complement the draft pick. Oh good job you just gave Briggs another thread to start. Lol |
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VCoug
Posts: 24935 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 3/28/2007 Member: #1406 |
5/22/2015 10:32 AM
Winslow is a guy I honed in on in case we missed out on the two big men and now that's going to happen and I really think Winslow is the guy I want. I definitely agree with the Kawhi/Paul George comparisons; I think at a minimum he's a game changing defender who can defend 1-3 as well as small-ball 4s and who will be at least a capable offensive player that other teams will have to respect. And, he was a much better 3-point shooter than either MKG or Leonard were in college.
Also, I don't see that anyone mentioned his injury. He played with a broken rib for the first half season. It healed in January and that's when we really took off. Now the joy of my world is in Zion
How beautiful if nothing more
Than to wait at Zion's door
I've never been in love like this before
Now let me pray to keep you from
The perils that will surely come
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Vmart
Posts: 31800 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 5/23/2002 Member: #247 USA |
5/22/2015 10:39 AM
I like Winslow. I like how he rebounds and runs the break he attacks the basket well decent shooter. But does he have the ability to raise the level of play of others? Can he create for others at a high level. Winslow would be a great player to have but if presented with the choice of Mudiay or Winslow I would take Mudiay, Winslow for me was behind Mudiay but ahead of Russell only because of athleticism.
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