WaltLongmire wrote:^^ I was surprised when Yi Jianlin was taken where he was. Maybe some kind of Yao Ming effect?

I would like to see him matched against some smaller quicker players, but also have Porsingis work out with some bruisers when he comes in, maybe even guys who are secretly told to rough-house and intimidate him if they can.

Phil is getting the big money to build a winning team, and talent evaluation is THE most important thing for him to excel in at this point.

Ultimately, I just want a player who we can build with, whoever that may be. Just have to trust our talent evaluators.

This would be a lot easier if we were at #1 or #2, but it has been noted before that picking 3 or 4 might be the toughest place to make your choice in this draft.

Nothing to do but wait and listen for the workout rumors and reports that will be coming out at some point.

I guess so.
My red flags are his body type--ectomorphic meaning I don't think he can put on too much more quality weight.(and I think he weighs only around 200 pounds)
He has a tweener awkwardness about him. He doesnt handle or pass the ball. So while he has a nice jumpshot I think his nuances of the game are 1/2 full at best.
Propensity of injury for that body type. Ectomorphic body types tend to injure easily. His bones are simply smaller and how will that effect his muscle joint cartilage etc from constant pounding.

Foreign born and young. Not a killer but its an issue.

Is he going to sit out on the NBA 3 point line like Bargnani too much?

Can he defend guys who are 240-260 in the block? Im not buying that right now.

Also notice his FT attempts 2.5 for 21 minutes. That is super low for a 7-1 guy--to me that says he doesnt like contact. Seems like a guy who"settles" for plays instead of being aggressive making them.

As a stretch 4 you need to be able to move the ball in the NBA--he hasnt shown that ability in his league--so the mental nuance would have to be trained in if it can be.

Hes going to need multiple MD work ups. If the MDs say he going to be 7-2 230/240 at some point and that his body will be able to handle that weight--thats one things. If the MDs believe that he will stay 200-210 I may pass on that.

BRIGGS wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:^^ I was surprised when Yi Jianlin was taken where he was. Maybe some kind of Yao Ming effect?

I would like to see him matched against some smaller quicker players, but also have Porsingis work out with some bruisers when he comes in, maybe even guys who are secretly told to rough-house and intimidate him if they can.

Phil is getting the big money to build a winning team, and talent evaluation is THE most important thing for him to excel in at this point.

Ultimately, I just want a player who we can build with, whoever that may be. Just have to trust our talent evaluators.

This would be a lot easier if we were at #1 or #2, but it has been noted before that picking 3 or 4 might be the toughest place to make your choice in this draft.

Nothing to do but wait and listen for the workout rumors and reports that will be coming out at some point.

I guess so.
My red flags are his body type--ectomorphic meaning I don't think he can put on too much more quality weight.(and I think he weighs only around 200 pounds)
He has a tweener awkwardness about him. He doesnt handle or pass the ball. So while he has a nice jumpshot I think his nuances of the game are 1/2 full at best.
Propensity of injury for that body type. Ectomorphic body types tend to injure easily. His bones are simply smaller and how will that effect his muscle joint cartilage etc from constant pounding.

Foreign born and young. Not a killer but its an issue.

Is he going to sit out on the NBA 3 point line like Bargnani too much?

Can he defend guys who are 240-260 in the block? Im not buying that right now.

Also notice his FT attempts 2.5 for 21 minutes. That is super low for a 7-1 guy--to me that says he doesnt like contact. Seems like a guy who"settles" for plays instead of being aggressive making them.

As a stretch 4 you need to be able to move the ball in the NBA--he hasnt shown that ability in his league--so the mental nuance would have to be trained in if it can be.

Hes going to need multiple MD work ups. If the MDs say he going to be 7-2 230/240 at some point and that his body will be able to handle that weight--thats one things. If the MDs believe that he will stay 200-210 I may pass on that.

Says Garnett was someone he admired.

I thought Duncan was going to have strength problems in the NBA, and that was at a time when the game was a bit more rough and tumble. Obviously I was wrong about him, and he came into his first season stronger than he had ever been.

He is still a work in progress, but is already more talented than most young kids his size.

I understand what you mean about the awkwardness, yet there are also moments where he looks pretty impressive for a his age/length.

I've seen some turnaround jumpers which were pretty smooth, and he indicated that he is working on a midrange bank shot for his arsenal.

There are some full games available on YouTube where his team is playing- no highlights clips. I might try to watch them and do a complete look over on his game.

I think he'd have to really impress Jackson to be considered seriously, but who knows.

Jackson took the job and the money- time for him to do his job and prove that he knows more than we do about players.

WaltLongmire wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:^^ I was surprised when Yi Jianlin was taken where he was. Maybe some kind of Yao Ming effect?

I would like to see him matched against some smaller quicker players, but also have Porsingis work out with some bruisers when he comes in, maybe even guys who are secretly told to rough-house and intimidate him if they can.

Phil is getting the big money to build a winning team, and talent evaluation is THE most important thing for him to excel in at this point.

Ultimately, I just want a player who we can build with, whoever that may be. Just have to trust our talent evaluators.

This would be a lot easier if we were at #1 or #2, but it has been noted before that picking 3 or 4 might be the toughest place to make your choice in this draft.

Nothing to do but wait and listen for the workout rumors and reports that will be coming out at some point.

I guess so.
My red flags are his body type--ectomorphic meaning I don't think he can put on too much more quality weight.(and I think he weighs only around 200 pounds)
He has a tweener awkwardness about him. He doesnt handle or pass the ball. So while he has a nice jumpshot I think his nuances of the game are 1/2 full at best.
Propensity of injury for that body type. Ectomorphic body types tend to injure easily. His bones are simply smaller and how will that effect his muscle joint cartilage etc from constant pounding.

Foreign born and young. Not a killer but its an issue.

Is he going to sit out on the NBA 3 point line like Bargnani too much?

Can he defend guys who are 240-260 in the block? Im not buying that right now.

Also notice his FT attempts 2.5 for 21 minutes. That is super low for a 7-1 guy--to me that says he doesnt like contact. Seems like a guy who"settles" for plays instead of being aggressive making them.

As a stretch 4 you need to be able to move the ball in the NBA--he hasnt shown that ability in his league--so the mental nuance would have to be trained in if it can be.

Hes going to need multiple MD work ups. If the MDs say he going to be 7-2 230/240 at some point and that his body will be able to handle that weight--thats one things. If the MDs believe that he will stay 200-210 I may pass on that.

We will just have to see how he measures up in workouts and in other ways.

Says Garnett was someone he admired.

I thought Duncan was going to have strength problems in the NBA, and that was at a time when the game was a bit more rough and tumble. Obviously I was wrong about him, and he came into his first season stronger than he had ever been.

He is still a work in progress, but is already more talented than most young kids his size.

I understand what you mean about the awkwardness, yet there are also moments where he looks pretty impressive for a his age/length.

I've seen some turnaround jumpers which were pretty smooth, and he indicated that he is working on a midrange bank shot for his arsenal.

There are some full games available on YouTube where his team is playing- no highlights clips. I might try to watch them and do a complete look over on his game.

I think he'd have to really impress Jackson to be considered seriously, but who knows.

Jackson took the job and the money- time for him to do his job and prove that he knows more than we do about players.

Despite the majority of voices leaning towards the guards--if I can get my hands on a big with talent--I will almost always go that way. IF Porzinigis can show he has the "potential" to be a big time player in workouts for the Knicks--Id probably pick him over BOTh Russell and Mudiay. Obviously Im not going to see that so its simple guess work and what I hear. But if Phil does see a guy who can play like a combination of Dirk and Garnett--if he feels he will stay healthy and has the passion of a Garnett--then I hope he picks Porzinigis before the guards. If all things are equal go big. Its going to take a while for Mudiay to get his jumpshot down and what I wonder is will Knick fans be patient with it. They are going to believe he can come in and start from day 1 and be a Jason Kidd. That will be one hard act to follow--although Mudaiy will NOT be a bust IMHO. We already have some good guards but we have no one as of now in the frontcourt. I will freely admit and others can see--Porzinigis is NOT the usual big. He is EXTREMELY long and has kind of unique athletic ability for a 7-1 7-2 guy. he has a nice shot but he needs to learn much more. Hes a project too but can he be a project that plays on unit 2 and gives positive play from day 1. That is key--I would want him to play immediately on unit 2 and play hard and well. If Phil does not think he can play--Id pass--thats too much risk.

BRIGGS wrote:

smackeddog wrote:I honestly haven't seen much of Porzingis- is Anthony Randolph with the ability to shoot any way close to an accurate comparison?

I would say a human preying mantis with a good jumpshot.

Ha!

Apparently the 76ers were interested in him last year before he pulled out of the draft:

Kristaps Porzingis made himself eligible for the 2014 NBA Draft last April, but made the unconventional decision to pull out at the Early Entry Withdrawal Deadline (ten days before the draft), despite overtures from two teams (rumored to be Atlanta and Philadelphia) picking in the Top-15 to keep his name in

http://www.draftexpress.com/#ixzz3arEfIoVc

smackeddog wrote:I honestly haven't seen much of Porzingis- is Anthony Randolph with the ability to shoot any way close to an accurate comparison?

Randolph thought he was a 6'11" combo guard, Porzingis is not a "give me the ball and stand back" type of player based on what I've seen of him.

Photo from a couple of days ago...his team is still playing. They might have just won a game. He's to the left of the guy who seems to be a midget. Seems to have some chest muscles...VERY thin waist, almost like a swimmer.

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/kporzee/status/599911715174744064

There is also a video on his Twitter feed that this still came from, but the quality is poor.

Not sure when he will be over for workouts, and obviously, he is not spending his time working out in the weight room.

Did read something about him working on a midrange bank shot this year with one of the coaches he works with.

FistOfOakley wrote:he doesn't grab boards to be a PF and he doesn't handle the ball well enough to be a SF.... he's bench fodder.... absolutely stupifying how he's been hyped for the lotto...

If you look at some of the scouting reports and comments coming from all over the place, you have to wonder if he will even be around when we pick.

What about Minnesota taking him, not only because of his ability and upside, but because guys like Towns and OK4 might not want to be there, and will jump as soon as they can.

Stranger things have happened, and it would mean people would get one of the American players they are clearly more comfortable with.

Phil isn't necessarily looking for a player that has to come in and contribute on a high level day one. That's why he's said he's looking at Free Agency to build the team as opposed to the pick necessarily being an immediate driving force. I think Phil would have the courage to take Kris P. if he was the best talent on the board at #4 and there was not a good enough trade to be made.

WaltLongmire wrote:

nixluva wrote:One thing Phil said about the pick is that he doesn't expect the pick to be immediately ready to be a force. He said he'd be fine with having the kid on the team developing rather than having a lead role. Sounds to me like he's looking for BPA in terms of upside. He wants a pick that can turn into something big for the franchise. That could open the door for a pick like Kris P.

Phil isn't necessarily looking for a player that has to come in and contribute on a high level day one. That's why he's said he's looking at Free Agency to build the team as opposed to the pick necessarily being an immediate driving force. I think Phil would have the courage to take Kris P. if he was the best talent on the board at #4 and there was not a good enough trade to be made.

Should I assume that the Knicks have someone over there watching them play now?

I could actually imagine Minnesota taking a serious look at him, though it would take real balls to pick him at #1, even if they like him a lot.

If they were to do that and stun most fans, you would then expect OK4 to be available when we pick.