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BRIGGS
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4/25/2015  8:28 PM
First off many fans keep naming names that the knicks have not one scintilla of a shot to get. Then some of the players we could have a chance with--- when it comes down to it do we really want some of them anyway. Do we want yo play other team systmes 2 gs 10mm for 4mm doloar play? I think we can find our own additional guards through the draft and udfa.
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4/25/2015  8:40 PM
Free Agency is hard. There are many things that have to go in your favor in order to get the players you want. You're fighting with other teams that are shopping for the same players.

In this case the Knicks have enough money to go after any of the FA's in this market. Phil said he's looking for at least 2 starting quality players. He said they've already sent out feelers to Agents and will target players they know want to come here. I think that's a smart approach and saves them from wasting time or being embarrassed.

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4/25/2015  9:45 PM
As it stands right now, there will be a load of bigs as free agents this summer. We are to concentrate on drafting good guards who have the potentials to be great if possible. Which is the main reason I think we should draft Russell and Winslow...

If we were to win the top pick or the seconth, I would look to move it to a team that can draft those two guys.

Thank God Fisher is no longer our coach, now let's get Calderon out of here:)
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4/25/2015  11:33 PM
It's going to be tough to sign free agents. I wouldn't even think about top tier FAs. I would look for players like Jeff Green, Brandon Bass, Kirk Hinrich, Millsap, Maybe Monroe. Kanter is ok from what I hear he is an awful defensive player. David Lee, Mozgov these should be the targeted players. With the new salary cap pretty much every team can piss money away it's going to make it that much more difficult.
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4/25/2015  11:37 PM
But BRIGGS You were just talking about kanter, muhammad and other free agents?

In general I think we should look at 3nd or 3rd tier role players. If we're lucky we get someone like monroe or t. Harris

Knicks should be improved: win about 40 games and maybe sneak into the playoffs. Melo, Rose and even Noah will have some nice moments however this team should be about PORZINGUS. the sooner they make him the primary player, the better
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4/25/2015  11:48 PM
callmened wrote:But BRIGGS You were just talking about kanter, muhammad and other free agents?

In general I think we should look at 3nd or 3rd tier role players. If we're lucky we get someone like monroe or t. Harris

I think both Harris and Monroe will be Knicks if the Knicks will pay for them. I don't think there is anyway Monroe is staying in Detroit.
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4/26/2015  12:20 AM
CrushAlot wrote:
callmened wrote:But BRIGGS You were just talking about kanter, muhammad and other free agents?

In general I think we should look at 3nd or 3rd tier role players. If we're lucky we get someone like monroe or t. Harris

I think both Harris and Monroe will be Knicks if the Knicks will pay for them. I don't think there is anyway Monroe is staying in Detroit.

I don't see them two fitting unless the Knicks draft a guard. Also, while that would be a pretty good rebounding front line it would be a scary defensive front line unless Harris steps up and Monroe turns into M. Gasol.

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4/26/2015  12:25 AM
I'm not sure if Orlando will resign him. If not then yes I can see him here
Knicks should be improved: win about 40 games and maybe sneak into the playoffs. Melo, Rose and even Noah will have some nice moments however this team should be about PORZINGUS. the sooner they make him the primary player, the better
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4/26/2015  12:29 AM
callmened wrote:I'm not sure if Orlando will resign him. If not then yes I can see him here
I read where they said they would but I think it is posturing. I don't think they match a max deal if he is actually offered one.
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4/26/2015  12:38 AM
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callmened wrote:I'm not sure if Orlando will resign him. If not then yes I can see him here
I read where they said they would but I think it is posturing. I don't think they match a max deal if he is actually offered one.

I agree I think they are posturing, I dont think they match $10m if they draft Winslow or Johnson like so many think they will do. They already drafted Aaron Gordon, who they play at the 3/4, so I doubt they would match if you add some tricky language.

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4/26/2015  12:44 AM
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callmened wrote:But BRIGGS You were just talking about kanter, muhammad and other free agents?

In general I think we should look at 3nd or 3rd tier role players. If we're lucky we get someone like monroe or t. Harris

I think both Harris and Monroe will be Knicks if the Knicks will pay for them. I don't think there is anyway Monroe is staying in Detroit.

If i'm Harris i'd want NY over Orlando. He'd get a much bigger spot light in NY. Harris is another tweener tho. He's not big enough to really be a PF and he's not agile or quick enough to guard quick guys on the perimeter. He's kind of a smaller version of Melo. IMO he's more of a big SG without the lateral quickness on D. He could play SG similar to Joe Johnson IMO. Overall Harris is on the edge of just being average in terms of his WS/48. He's got talent but isn't very efficient overall. There are much better FA this summer IMO.

If i'm Monroe i'd want to get out of Detroit with a quickness. They play the wrong style of ball for his game. In NY he'd be converting so many more of those missed point blank shots our bigs miss in the post. He'd LOVE having all the touches that bigs get in this system. He'd get to use his passing ability much more as well.

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4/26/2015  12:51 AM
nixluva wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
callmened wrote:But BRIGGS You were just talking about kanter, muhammad and other free agents?

In general I think we should look at 3nd or 3rd tier role players. If we're lucky we get someone like monroe or t. Harris

I think both Harris and Monroe will be Knicks if the Knicks will pay for them. I don't think there is anyway Monroe is staying in Detroit.

If i'm Harris i'd want NY over Orlando. He'd get a much bigger spot light in NY. Harris is another tweener tho. He's not big enough to really be a PF and he's not agile or quick enough to guard quick guys on the perimeter. He's kind of a smaller version of Melo. IMO he's more of a big SG without the lateral quickness on D. He could play SG similar to Joe Johnson IMO. Overall Harris is on the edge of just being average in terms of his WS/48. He's got talent but isn't very efficient overall. There are much better FA this summer IMO.

If i'm Monroe i'd want to get out of Detroit with a quickness. They play the wrong style of ball for his game. In NY he'd be converting so many more of those missed point blank shots our bigs miss in the post. He'd LOVE having all the touches that bigs get in this system. He'd get to use his passing ability much more as well.

Of the two I want Monroe. I think Monroe looks great in the triangle. I am not sure about Harris. I can't say I am an expert on his game because I rarely watch him other than when he plays the Knicks. But he doesn't always impress and he is a 3/4 like Melo. The Knicks have a lot of needs. Harris fits the talent component but after the draft they need to target guys specific to needs in my opinion. Not sure if Harris fits that.
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4/26/2015  1:11 AM
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nixluva wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
callmened wrote:But BRIGGS You were just talking about kanter, muhammad and other free agents?

In general I think we should look at 3nd or 3rd tier role players. If we're lucky we get someone like monroe or t. Harris

I think both Harris and Monroe will be Knicks if the Knicks will pay for them. I don't think there is anyway Monroe is staying in Detroit.

If i'm Harris i'd want NY over Orlando. He'd get a much bigger spot light in NY. Harris is another tweener tho. He's not big enough to really be a PF and he's not agile or quick enough to guard quick guys on the perimeter. He's kind of a smaller version of Melo. IMO he's more of a big SG without the lateral quickness on D. He could play SG similar to Joe Johnson IMO. Overall Harris is on the edge of just being average in terms of his WS/48. He's got talent but isn't very efficient overall. There are much better FA this summer IMO.

If i'm Monroe i'd want to get out of Detroit with a quickness. They play the wrong style of ball for his game. In NY he'd be converting so many more of those missed point blank shots our bigs miss in the post. He'd LOVE having all the touches that bigs get in this system. He'd get to use his passing ability much more as well.

Of the two I want Monroe. I think Monroe looks great in the triangle. I am not sure about Harris. I can't say I am an expert on his game because I rarely watch him other than when he plays the Knicks. But he doesn't always impress and he is a 3/4 like Melo. The Knicks have a lot of needs. Harris fits the talent component but after the draft they need to target guys specific to needs in my opinion. Not sure if Harris fits that.

Perhaps if they felt that Early wasn't going to live up to their needs. Harris is further along in his development than Early. Still I just don't see a priority in Harris. We need PG, SG, PF and C. Last thing i'd be worried about is a player like Harris. He's not a defensive player at all, so that's another problem.
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4/26/2015  1:11 AM
I actually like Harris more than Monroe because of his youth. He is still only 22. I look at his previous years as a 4 yr college guy who just had his rookie year. I think the game is changing to having a bunch of tweeners,look at GSW, Mil, Atl, cle, Hou, and etc. I understand you have to have the right tweeners but Tobias has shown promise he just has to make a jump on D like middleton did and even Monroe for that matter.


If some how Ny could get danny Green, Tobias, and draft Towns i'd take that. Wow, talk about a home coming. lol

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4/26/2015  1:21 AM
yellowboy90 wrote:I actually like Harris more than Monroe because of his youth. He is still only 22. I look at his previous years as a 4 yr college guy who just had his rookie year. I think the game is changing to having a bunch of tweeners,look at GSW, Mil, Atl, cle, Hou, and etc. I understand you have to have the right tweeners but Tobias has shown promise he just has to make a jump on D like middleton did and even Monroe for that matter.


If some how Ny could get danny Green, Tobias, and draft Towns i'd take that. Wow, talk about a home coming. lol


The only thing i'd say about the difference between Monroe and Harris is that in terms of value and production it's not even close. Harris is just 2 years younger so that's not really a big deal. Harris is at the bottom of my FA WS/48 list. Monroe is in that 2nd tier of FA's.


Rk Player Pos Age Tm G MP PER TS% 3PAr FTr ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% OWS DWS WS WS/48 ▾ VORP
1 DeA. Jordan C 26 LAC 82 2820 21.0 .638 .007 .882 16.2 32.4 24.5 3.2 1.5 5.4 12.8 13.6 7.4 5.4 12.8 .217 4.3
2 Jimmy Butler SG 25 CHI 65 2513 21.3 .583 .212 .508 5.1 11.2 8.2 14.4 2.3 1.0 7.7 21.6 8.2 3.0 11.2 .214 4.2
3 Kawhi Leonard SF 23 SAS 64 2033 22.0 .567 .234 .307 4.8 20.6 12.9 13.0 3.7 1.8 9.4 23.0 4.2 4.4 8.6 .204 4.1
4 Bran. Wright PF 27 TOT 75 1449 20.4 .660 .008 .309 9.6 14.7 12.1 4.4 1.7 5.1 7.6 13.6 4.3 1.8 6.1 .202 2.0
5 M. Gasol C 30 MEM 81 2687 21.7 .558 .016 .410 4.9 21.8 13.4 19.7 1.4 4.0 12.2 24.6 5.5 4.7 10.2 .182 4.6
6 M. Muscala PF 23 ATL 40 502 18.0 .608 .146 .166 12.2 14.8 13.5 8.0 1.6 3.2 11.5 16.7 1.2 0.7 1.9 .179 0.5
7 P. Millsap PF 29 ATL 73 2390 20.1 .565 .232 .362 6.9 20.0 13.6 15.4 2.8 2.4 13.3 23.8 4.0 4.3 8.3 .167 3.7
8 A. Baynes C 28 SAS 70 1122 15.9 .618 .012 .318 11.2 20.7 16.1 4.9 0.7 1.5 14.8 17.8 2.3 1.6 3.9 .166 0.3
9 L. Aldridge PF 29 POR 71 2512 22.8 .528 .074 .256 7.7 22.9 15.5 9.2 1.0 1.9 7.2 30.2 4.9 3.7 8.6 .165 1.4
10 K. Love PF 26 CLE 75 2532 18.8 .562 .412 .337 6.5 26.3 16.6 10.7 1.0 1.2 10.0 21.7 5.8 2.9 8.7 .165 2.5

Rk Player Pos Age Tm G MP PER TS% 3PAr FTr ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% OWS DWS WS WS/48 ▾ VORP
11 Danny Green SG 27 SAS 81 2312 16.5 .596 .619 .172 2.7 13.9 8.4 10.3 2.2 2.8 10.5 17.5 4.0 3.9 7.8 .163 4.1
12 Dray. Green SF 24 GSW 79 2490 16.4 .540 .430 .261 5.1 22.4 14.0 16.1 2.4 2.9 13.5 17.2 3.3 5.2 8.5 .163 4.4
13 A. Ajinca C 26 NOP 68 957 19.9 .595 .000 .301 12.4 25.0 18.7 8.2 1.2 4.0 15.6 21.1 1.9 1.2 3.2 .159 0.5
14 Brook Lopez C 26 BRK 72 2100 22.7 .558 .010 .278 11.5 17.1 14.3 4.5 1.1 4.8 8.6 26.3 4.7 2.2 7.0 .159 1.1
15 B. Biyombo C 22 CHO 64 1243 15.2 .578 .000 .941 13.7 22.6 18.0 2.0 0.7 6.3 16.5 11.6 1.8 2.2 4.0 .155 0.5
16 D. Carroll SF 28 ATL 70 2189 15.9 .603 .466 .277 5.3 13.8 9.7 8.3 2.2 0.7 9.3 16.9 4.3 2.8 7.0 .154 2.7
17 G. Monroe PF 24 DET 69 2137 21.2 .549 .000 .394 11.2 25.1 17.9 11.7 1.9 1.3 13.0 23.9 4.0 2.8 6.8 .153 2.1
18 A. Morrow SG 29 OKC 74 1806 14.8 .604 .528 .145 2.4 9.1 5.8 5.2 1.5 0.5 5.5 16.5 4.4 1.2 5.7 .151 1.2
19 R. Lopez C 26 POR 59 1638 16.2 .574 .002 .291 12.7 13.1 12.9 5.1 0.5 3.7 12.9 15.5 3.2 1.9 5.1 .150 1.7
20 C. Joseph PG 23 SAS 79 1444 15.5 .564 .107 .348 3.5 11.4 7.5 19.7 1.6 0.9 12.4 17.0 2.7 1.8 4.5 .149 1.0

Rk Player Pos Age Tm G MP PER TS% 3PAr FTr ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% OWS DWS WS WS/48 ▾ VORP
21 Tri Thompson PF 23 CLE 82 2194 15.6 .580 .000 .508 14.5 19.7 17.2 2.7 0.8 2.2 12.2 14.0 4.7 2.1 6.8 .148 0.8
22 W. Matthews SG 28 POR 60 2024 16.1 .586 .592 .193 2.1 9.5 5.9 10.8 1.9 0.4 9.0 19.8 4.0 2.2 6.2 .147 3.0
23 Enes Kanter C 22 TOT 75 2135 20.3 .564 .048 .252 14.6 20.5 17.6 4.8 0.9 1.1 12.3 24.7 4.3 2.1 6.4 .145 -0.1
24 Jon. Jerebko PF 27 TOT 75 1230 15.0 .549 .369 .174 8.0 17.2 12.5 9.0 1.9 1.1 9.7 16.2 2.0 1.4 3.5 .135 0.9
25 K. Middleton PF 23 MIL 79 2378 15.6 .563 .308 .180 2.3 14.3 8.4 12.7 2.6 0.4 10.8 19.9 3.2 3.5 6.7 .135 2.0
26 Alexey Shved SG 26 TOT 42 767 19.5 .541 .415 .448 3.3 11.7 7.3 25.7 2.0 0.6 10.7 26.3 1.7 0.5 2.2 .135 0.5
27 Brandon Bass PF 29 BOS 82 1929 16.3 .557 .047 .313 7.8 14.9 11.3 8.6 1.1 1.3 9.6 19.5 3.4 1.9 5.3 .132 0.7
28 Dorell Wright SF 29 POR 48 592 13.4 .525 .568 .221 2.6 17.2 10.0 10.2 1.7 1.3 7.9 17.1 0.7 0.8 1.6 .128 0.4
29 Lavoy Allen PF 25 IND 63 1070 14.9 .493 .000 .157 12.8 20.5 16.7 10.9 0.7 3.1 11.1 15.2 1.3 1.6 2.8 .127 0.8
30 Amir Johnson PF 27 TOR 75 1979 15.4 .603 .089 .249 9.3 17.3 13.3 9.4 1.1 2.4 16.0 15.7 3.5 1.6 5.1 .124 1.9

Rk Player Pos Age Tm G MP PER TS% 3PAr FTr ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% OWS DWS WS WS/48 ▾ VORP
31 Goran Dragic PG 28 TOT 78 2640 17.4 .577 .258 .234 3.5 8.2 5.9 22.8 1.5 0.5 13.5 21.8 5.4 1.4 6.8 .123 2.1
32 Joel Freeland C 27 POR 48 617 12.2 .522 .000 .166 11.0 21.9 16.6 3.8 0.7 2.7 12.4 13.4 0.6 0.9 1.6 .122 0.0
33 Tha Sefolosha SF 30 ATL 52 976 13.8 .506 .313 .233 6.4 19.3 13.1 11.2 2.8 1.8 12.2 14.6 0.8 1.7 2.5 .121 0.8
34 Omer Asik C 28 NOP 76 1982 15.5 .545 .000 .546 14.0 28.8 21.4 5.4 0.8 2.1 15.7 14.0 2.8 2.2 5.0 .120 0.6
35 Kosta Koufos C 25 MEM 81 1348 14.2 .530 .000 .237 10.3 25.8 18.1 4.3 1.1 3.9 14.9 15.8 0.8 2.5 3.3 .118 0.2
36 Jae Crowder SF 24 TOT 82 1647 13.9 .517 .382 .259 4.7 14.9 9.7 8.6 2.2 1.2 7.5 17.5 1.9 2.0 3.9 .113 1.1
37 Cole Aldrich C 26 NYK 61 976 18.1 .513 .000 .213 11.6 28.9 20.0 13.3 2.0 5.5 15.2 18.3 0.8 1.4 2.2 .107 0.7
38 Bran Knight PG 23 TOT 63 2035 17.1 .543 .361 .251 1.6 12.0 6.8 27.4 2.3 0.4 16.1 25.9 2.0 2.5 4.5 .106 1.6
39 Reg Jackson PG 24 TOT 77 2268 17.2 .511 .242 .219 2.6 12.9 7.8 34.8 1.4 0.3 14.6 24.6 3.3 1.7 4.9 .104 1.6
40 Mar Belinelli SG 28 SAS 62 1388 12.4 .553 .489 .211 2.2 10.5 6.4 10.3 1.1 0.2 10.6 18.8 1.5 1.4 2.9 .100 0.5
41 Tobias Harris SF 22 ORL 68 2369 16.7 .551 .252 .258 3.4 17.3 10.3 8.8 1.5 1.2 9.8 22.5 3.0 1.8 4.8 .098 1.0

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yellowboy90 wrote:I actually like Harris more than Monroe because of his youth. He is still only 22. I look at his previous years as a 4 yr college guy who just had his rookie year. I think the game is changing to having a bunch of tweeners,look at GSW, Mil, Atl, cle, Hou, and etc. I understand you have to have the right tweeners but Tobias has shown promise he just has to make a jump on D like middleton did and even Monroe for that matter.


If some how Ny could get danny Green, Tobias, and draft Towns i'd take that. Wow, talk about a home coming. lol

Maybe the Knicks should take a shot at Jarell Eddie. He has drawn a lot of comparisons to Green, is 6'7, is reported to be a very good defender, won the 3 pt contest at the d league showcase, and shot 42% from three. I have only watched youtube videos of him. He has a great shot but the videos I have watched haven't emphasized his d.
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4/26/2015  2:33 AM
nixluva wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:I actually like Harris more than Monroe because of his youth. He is still only 22. I look at his previous years as a 4 yr college guy who just had his rookie year. I think the game is changing to having a bunch of tweeners,look at GSW, Mil, Atl, cle, Hou, and etc. I understand you have to have the right tweeners but Tobias has shown promise he just has to make a jump on D like middleton did and even Monroe for that matter.


If some how Ny could get danny Green, Tobias, and draft Towns i'd take that. Wow, talk about a home coming. lol


The only thing i'd say about the difference between Monroe and Harris is that in terms of value and production it's not even close. Harris is just 2 years younger so that's not really a big deal. Harris is at the bottom of my FA WS/48 list. Monroe is in that 2nd tier of FA's.


Rk Player Pos Age Tm G MP PER TS% 3PAr FTr ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% OWS DWS WS WS/48 ▾ VORP
1 DeA. Jordan C 26 LAC 82 2820 21.0 .638 .007 .882 16.2 32.4 24.5 3.2 1.5 5.4 12.8 13.6 7.4 5.4 12.8 .217 4.3
2 Jimmy Butler SG 25 CHI 65 2513 21.3 .583 .212 .508 5.1 11.2 8.2 14.4 2.3 1.0 7.7 21.6 8.2 3.0 11.2 .214 4.2
3 Kawhi Leonard SF 23 SAS 64 2033 22.0 .567 .234 .307 4.8 20.6 12.9 13.0 3.7 1.8 9.4 23.0 4.2 4.4 8.6 .204 4.1
4 Bran. Wright PF 27 TOT 75 1449 20.4 .660 .008 .309 9.6 14.7 12.1 4.4 1.7 5.1 7.6 13.6 4.3 1.8 6.1 .202 2.0
5 M. Gasol C 30 MEM 81 2687 21.7 .558 .016 .410 4.9 21.8 13.4 19.7 1.4 4.0 12.2 24.6 5.5 4.7 10.2 .182 4.6
6 M. Muscala PF 23 ATL 40 502 18.0 .608 .146 .166 12.2 14.8 13.5 8.0 1.6 3.2 11.5 16.7 1.2 0.7 1.9 .179 0.5
7 P. Millsap PF 29 ATL 73 2390 20.1 .565 .232 .362 6.9 20.0 13.6 15.4 2.8 2.4 13.3 23.8 4.0 4.3 8.3 .167 3.7
8 A. Baynes C 28 SAS 70 1122 15.9 .618 .012 .318 11.2 20.7 16.1 4.9 0.7 1.5 14.8 17.8 2.3 1.6 3.9 .166 0.3
9 L. Aldridge PF 29 POR 71 2512 22.8 .528 .074 .256 7.7 22.9 15.5 9.2 1.0 1.9 7.2 30.2 4.9 3.7 8.6 .165 1.4
10 K. Love PF 26 CLE 75 2532 18.8 .562 .412 .337 6.5 26.3 16.6 10.7 1.0 1.2 10.0 21.7 5.8 2.9 8.7 .165 2.5

Rk Player Pos Age Tm G MP PER TS% 3PAr FTr ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% OWS DWS WS WS/48 ▾ VORP
11 Danny Green SG 27 SAS 81 2312 16.5 .596 .619 .172 2.7 13.9 8.4 10.3 2.2 2.8 10.5 17.5 4.0 3.9 7.8 .163 4.1
12 Dray. Green SF 24 GSW 79 2490 16.4 .540 .430 .261 5.1 22.4 14.0 16.1 2.4 2.9 13.5 17.2 3.3 5.2 8.5 .163 4.4
13 A. Ajinca C 26 NOP 68 957 19.9 .595 .000 .301 12.4 25.0 18.7 8.2 1.2 4.0 15.6 21.1 1.9 1.2 3.2 .159 0.5
14 Brook Lopez C 26 BRK 72 2100 22.7 .558 .010 .278 11.5 17.1 14.3 4.5 1.1 4.8 8.6 26.3 4.7 2.2 7.0 .159 1.1
15 B. Biyombo C 22 CHO 64 1243 15.2 .578 .000 .941 13.7 22.6 18.0 2.0 0.7 6.3 16.5 11.6 1.8 2.2 4.0 .155 0.5
16 D. Carroll SF 28 ATL 70 2189 15.9 .603 .466 .277 5.3 13.8 9.7 8.3 2.2 0.7 9.3 16.9 4.3 2.8 7.0 .154 2.7
17 G. Monroe PF 24 DET 69 2137 21.2 .549 .000 .394 11.2 25.1 17.9 11.7 1.9 1.3 13.0 23.9 4.0 2.8 6.8 .153 2.1
18 A. Morrow SG 29 OKC 74 1806 14.8 .604 .528 .145 2.4 9.1 5.8 5.2 1.5 0.5 5.5 16.5 4.4 1.2 5.7 .151 1.2
19 R. Lopez C 26 POR 59 1638 16.2 .574 .002 .291 12.7 13.1 12.9 5.1 0.5 3.7 12.9 15.5 3.2 1.9 5.1 .150 1.7
20 C. Joseph PG 23 SAS 79 1444 15.5 .564 .107 .348 3.5 11.4 7.5 19.7 1.6 0.9 12.4 17.0 2.7 1.8 4.5 .149 1.0

Rk Player Pos Age Tm G MP PER TS% 3PAr FTr ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% OWS DWS WS WS/48 ▾ VORP
21 Tri Thompson PF 23 CLE 82 2194 15.6 .580 .000 .508 14.5 19.7 17.2 2.7 0.8 2.2 12.2 14.0 4.7 2.1 6.8 .148 0.8
22 W. Matthews SG 28 POR 60 2024 16.1 .586 .592 .193 2.1 9.5 5.9 10.8 1.9 0.4 9.0 19.8 4.0 2.2 6.2 .147 3.0
23 Enes Kanter C 22 TOT 75 2135 20.3 .564 .048 .252 14.6 20.5 17.6 4.8 0.9 1.1 12.3 24.7 4.3 2.1 6.4 .145 -0.1
24 Jon. Jerebko PF 27 TOT 75 1230 15.0 .549 .369 .174 8.0 17.2 12.5 9.0 1.9 1.1 9.7 16.2 2.0 1.4 3.5 .135 0.9
25 K. Middleton PF 23 MIL 79 2378 15.6 .563 .308 .180 2.3 14.3 8.4 12.7 2.6 0.4 10.8 19.9 3.2 3.5 6.7 .135 2.0
26 Alexey Shved SG 26 TOT 42 767 19.5 .541 .415 .448 3.3 11.7 7.3 25.7 2.0 0.6 10.7 26.3 1.7 0.5 2.2 .135 0.5
27 Brandon Bass PF 29 BOS 82 1929 16.3 .557 .047 .313 7.8 14.9 11.3 8.6 1.1 1.3 9.6 19.5 3.4 1.9 5.3 .132 0.7
28 Dorell Wright SF 29 POR 48 592 13.4 .525 .568 .221 2.6 17.2 10.0 10.2 1.7 1.3 7.9 17.1 0.7 0.8 1.6 .128 0.4
29 Lavoy Allen PF 25 IND 63 1070 14.9 .493 .000 .157 12.8 20.5 16.7 10.9 0.7 3.1 11.1 15.2 1.3 1.6 2.8 .127 0.8
30 Amir Johnson PF 27 TOR 75 1979 15.4 .603 .089 .249 9.3 17.3 13.3 9.4 1.1 2.4 16.0 15.7 3.5 1.6 5.1 .124 1.9

Rk Player Pos Age Tm G MP PER TS% 3PAr FTr ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% OWS DWS WS WS/48 ▾ VORP
31 Goran Dragic PG 28 TOT 78 2640 17.4 .577 .258 .234 3.5 8.2 5.9 22.8 1.5 0.5 13.5 21.8 5.4 1.4 6.8 .123 2.1
32 Joel Freeland C 27 POR 48 617 12.2 .522 .000 .166 11.0 21.9 16.6 3.8 0.7 2.7 12.4 13.4 0.6 0.9 1.6 .122 0.0
33 Tha Sefolosha SF 30 ATL 52 976 13.8 .506 .313 .233 6.4 19.3 13.1 11.2 2.8 1.8 12.2 14.6 0.8 1.7 2.5 .121 0.8
34 Omer Asik C 28 NOP 76 1982 15.5 .545 .000 .546 14.0 28.8 21.4 5.4 0.8 2.1 15.7 14.0 2.8 2.2 5.0 .120 0.6
35 Kosta Koufos C 25 MEM 81 1348 14.2 .530 .000 .237 10.3 25.8 18.1 4.3 1.1 3.9 14.9 15.8 0.8 2.5 3.3 .118 0.2
36 Jae Crowder SF 24 TOT 82 1647 13.9 .517 .382 .259 4.7 14.9 9.7 8.6 2.2 1.2 7.5 17.5 1.9 2.0 3.9 .113 1.1
37 Cole Aldrich C 26 NYK 61 976 18.1 .513 .000 .213 11.6 28.9 20.0 13.3 2.0 5.5 15.2 18.3 0.8 1.4 2.2 .107 0.7
38 Bran Knight PG 23 TOT 63 2035 17.1 .543 .361 .251 1.6 12.0 6.8 27.4 2.3 0.4 16.1 25.9 2.0 2.5 4.5 .106 1.6
39 Reg Jackson PG 24 TOT 77 2268 17.2 .511 .242 .219 2.6 12.9 7.8 34.8 1.4 0.3 14.6 24.6 3.3 1.7 4.9 .104 1.6
40 Mar Belinelli SG 28 SAS 62 1388 12.4 .553 .489 .211 2.2 10.5 6.4 10.3 1.1 0.2 10.6 18.8 1.5 1.4 2.9 .100 0.5
41 Tobias Harris SF 22 ORL 68 2369 16.7 .551 .252 .258 3.4 17.3 10.3 8.8 1.5 1.2 9.8 22.5 3.0 1.8 4.8 .098 1.0


2 yrs is a lot when it comes to young players. Also, it is better to use multiple years #s, Moroe still has the edge, to get better picture.
I can completely understand why anyone would argue Monroe over Harris even if Harris cost less. I just think Harris will break out defensively and take his game to another level.
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4/26/2015  2:47 AM
yellowboy90 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:I actually like Harris more than Monroe because of his youth. He is still only 22. I look at his previous years as a 4 yr college guy who just had his rookie year. I think the game is changing to having a bunch of tweeners,look at GSW, Mil, Atl, cle, Hou, and etc. I understand you have to have the right tweeners but Tobias has shown promise he just has to make a jump on D like middleton did and even Monroe for that matter.


If some how Ny could get danny Green, Tobias, and draft Towns i'd take that. Wow, talk about a home coming. lol


The only thing i'd say about the difference between Monroe and Harris is that in terms of value and production it's not even close. Harris is just 2 years younger so that's not really a big deal. Harris is at the bottom of my FA WS/48 list. Monroe is in that 2nd tier of FA's.


Rk Player Pos Age Tm G MP PER TS% 3PAr FTr ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% OWS DWS WS WS/48 ▾ VORP
1 DeA. Jordan C 26 LAC 82 2820 21.0 .638 .007 .882 16.2 32.4 24.5 3.2 1.5 5.4 12.8 13.6 7.4 5.4 12.8 .217 4.3
2 Jimmy Butler SG 25 CHI 65 2513 21.3 .583 .212 .508 5.1 11.2 8.2 14.4 2.3 1.0 7.7 21.6 8.2 3.0 11.2 .214 4.2
3 Kawhi Leonard SF 23 SAS 64 2033 22.0 .567 .234 .307 4.8 20.6 12.9 13.0 3.7 1.8 9.4 23.0 4.2 4.4 8.6 .204 4.1
4 Bran. Wright PF 27 TOT 75 1449 20.4 .660 .008 .309 9.6 14.7 12.1 4.4 1.7 5.1 7.6 13.6 4.3 1.8 6.1 .202 2.0
5 M. Gasol C 30 MEM 81 2687 21.7 .558 .016 .410 4.9 21.8 13.4 19.7 1.4 4.0 12.2 24.6 5.5 4.7 10.2 .182 4.6
6 M. Muscala PF 23 ATL 40 502 18.0 .608 .146 .166 12.2 14.8 13.5 8.0 1.6 3.2 11.5 16.7 1.2 0.7 1.9 .179 0.5
7 P. Millsap PF 29 ATL 73 2390 20.1 .565 .232 .362 6.9 20.0 13.6 15.4 2.8 2.4 13.3 23.8 4.0 4.3 8.3 .167 3.7
8 A. Baynes C 28 SAS 70 1122 15.9 .618 .012 .318 11.2 20.7 16.1 4.9 0.7 1.5 14.8 17.8 2.3 1.6 3.9 .166 0.3
9 L. Aldridge PF 29 POR 71 2512 22.8 .528 .074 .256 7.7 22.9 15.5 9.2 1.0 1.9 7.2 30.2 4.9 3.7 8.6 .165 1.4
10 K. Love PF 26 CLE 75 2532 18.8 .562 .412 .337 6.5 26.3 16.6 10.7 1.0 1.2 10.0 21.7 5.8 2.9 8.7 .165 2.5

Rk Player Pos Age Tm G MP PER TS% 3PAr FTr ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% OWS DWS WS WS/48 ▾ VORP
11 Danny Green SG 27 SAS 81 2312 16.5 .596 .619 .172 2.7 13.9 8.4 10.3 2.2 2.8 10.5 17.5 4.0 3.9 7.8 .163 4.1
12 Dray. Green SF 24 GSW 79 2490 16.4 .540 .430 .261 5.1 22.4 14.0 16.1 2.4 2.9 13.5 17.2 3.3 5.2 8.5 .163 4.4
13 A. Ajinca C 26 NOP 68 957 19.9 .595 .000 .301 12.4 25.0 18.7 8.2 1.2 4.0 15.6 21.1 1.9 1.2 3.2 .159 0.5
14 Brook Lopez C 26 BRK 72 2100 22.7 .558 .010 .278 11.5 17.1 14.3 4.5 1.1 4.8 8.6 26.3 4.7 2.2 7.0 .159 1.1
15 B. Biyombo C 22 CHO 64 1243 15.2 .578 .000 .941 13.7 22.6 18.0 2.0 0.7 6.3 16.5 11.6 1.8 2.2 4.0 .155 0.5
16 D. Carroll SF 28 ATL 70 2189 15.9 .603 .466 .277 5.3 13.8 9.7 8.3 2.2 0.7 9.3 16.9 4.3 2.8 7.0 .154 2.7
17 G. Monroe PF 24 DET 69 2137 21.2 .549 .000 .394 11.2 25.1 17.9 11.7 1.9 1.3 13.0 23.9 4.0 2.8 6.8 .153 2.1
18 A. Morrow SG 29 OKC 74 1806 14.8 .604 .528 .145 2.4 9.1 5.8 5.2 1.5 0.5 5.5 16.5 4.4 1.2 5.7 .151 1.2
19 R. Lopez C 26 POR 59 1638 16.2 .574 .002 .291 12.7 13.1 12.9 5.1 0.5 3.7 12.9 15.5 3.2 1.9 5.1 .150 1.7
20 C. Joseph PG 23 SAS 79 1444 15.5 .564 .107 .348 3.5 11.4 7.5 19.7 1.6 0.9 12.4 17.0 2.7 1.8 4.5 .149 1.0

Rk Player Pos Age Tm G MP PER TS% 3PAr FTr ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% OWS DWS WS WS/48 ▾ VORP
21 Tri Thompson PF 23 CLE 82 2194 15.6 .580 .000 .508 14.5 19.7 17.2 2.7 0.8 2.2 12.2 14.0 4.7 2.1 6.8 .148 0.8
22 W. Matthews SG 28 POR 60 2024 16.1 .586 .592 .193 2.1 9.5 5.9 10.8 1.9 0.4 9.0 19.8 4.0 2.2 6.2 .147 3.0
23 Enes Kanter C 22 TOT 75 2135 20.3 .564 .048 .252 14.6 20.5 17.6 4.8 0.9 1.1 12.3 24.7 4.3 2.1 6.4 .145 -0.1
24 Jon. Jerebko PF 27 TOT 75 1230 15.0 .549 .369 .174 8.0 17.2 12.5 9.0 1.9 1.1 9.7 16.2 2.0 1.4 3.5 .135 0.9
25 K. Middleton PF 23 MIL 79 2378 15.6 .563 .308 .180 2.3 14.3 8.4 12.7 2.6 0.4 10.8 19.9 3.2 3.5 6.7 .135 2.0
26 Alexey Shved SG 26 TOT 42 767 19.5 .541 .415 .448 3.3 11.7 7.3 25.7 2.0 0.6 10.7 26.3 1.7 0.5 2.2 .135 0.5
27 Brandon Bass PF 29 BOS 82 1929 16.3 .557 .047 .313 7.8 14.9 11.3 8.6 1.1 1.3 9.6 19.5 3.4 1.9 5.3 .132 0.7
28 Dorell Wright SF 29 POR 48 592 13.4 .525 .568 .221 2.6 17.2 10.0 10.2 1.7 1.3 7.9 17.1 0.7 0.8 1.6 .128 0.4
29 Lavoy Allen PF 25 IND 63 1070 14.9 .493 .000 .157 12.8 20.5 16.7 10.9 0.7 3.1 11.1 15.2 1.3 1.6 2.8 .127 0.8
30 Amir Johnson PF 27 TOR 75 1979 15.4 .603 .089 .249 9.3 17.3 13.3 9.4 1.1 2.4 16.0 15.7 3.5 1.6 5.1 .124 1.9

Rk Player Pos Age Tm G MP PER TS% 3PAr FTr ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% OWS DWS WS WS/48 ▾ VORP
31 Goran Dragic PG 28 TOT 78 2640 17.4 .577 .258 .234 3.5 8.2 5.9 22.8 1.5 0.5 13.5 21.8 5.4 1.4 6.8 .123 2.1
32 Joel Freeland C 27 POR 48 617 12.2 .522 .000 .166 11.0 21.9 16.6 3.8 0.7 2.7 12.4 13.4 0.6 0.9 1.6 .122 0.0
33 Tha Sefolosha SF 30 ATL 52 976 13.8 .506 .313 .233 6.4 19.3 13.1 11.2 2.8 1.8 12.2 14.6 0.8 1.7 2.5 .121 0.8
34 Omer Asik C 28 NOP 76 1982 15.5 .545 .000 .546 14.0 28.8 21.4 5.4 0.8 2.1 15.7 14.0 2.8 2.2 5.0 .120 0.6
35 Kosta Koufos C 25 MEM 81 1348 14.2 .530 .000 .237 10.3 25.8 18.1 4.3 1.1 3.9 14.9 15.8 0.8 2.5 3.3 .118 0.2
36 Jae Crowder SF 24 TOT 82 1647 13.9 .517 .382 .259 4.7 14.9 9.7 8.6 2.2 1.2 7.5 17.5 1.9 2.0 3.9 .113 1.1
37 Cole Aldrich C 26 NYK 61 976 18.1 .513 .000 .213 11.6 28.9 20.0 13.3 2.0 5.5 15.2 18.3 0.8 1.4 2.2 .107 0.7
38 Bran Knight PG 23 TOT 63 2035 17.1 .543 .361 .251 1.6 12.0 6.8 27.4 2.3 0.4 16.1 25.9 2.0 2.5 4.5 .106 1.6
39 Reg Jackson PG 24 TOT 77 2268 17.2 .511 .242 .219 2.6 12.9 7.8 34.8 1.4 0.3 14.6 24.6 3.3 1.7 4.9 .104 1.6
40 Mar Belinelli SG 28 SAS 62 1388 12.4 .553 .489 .211 2.2 10.5 6.4 10.3 1.1 0.2 10.6 18.8 1.5 1.4 2.9 .100 0.5
41 Tobias Harris SF 22 ORL 68 2369 16.7 .551 .252 .258 3.4 17.3 10.3 8.8 1.5 1.2 9.8 22.5 3.0 1.8 4.8 .098 1.0


2 yrs is a lot when it comes to young players. Also, it is better to use multiple years #s, Moroe still has the edge, to get better picture.
I can completely understand why anyone would argue Monroe over Harris even if Harris cost less. I just think Harris will break out defensively and take his game to another level.
In theory they could sign both guys. Monroe is going to get the max allowed for his years in the league. Harris might be attainable for a bit less. I think Orlando is pretty hesitant to lock Tobias up to a big deal. I could be wrong and they are saying they will match any offer.
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4/26/2015  7:47 AM
nixluva wrote:Free Agency is hard. There are many things that have to go in your favor in order to get the players you want. You're fighting with other teams that are shopping for the same players.

In this case the Knicks have enough money to go after any of the FA's in this market. Phil said he's looking for at least 2 starting quality players. He said they've already sent out feelers to Agents and will target players they know want to come here. I think that's a smart approach and saves them from wasting time or being embarrassed.

starting caliber as in 'all-star,' as in starting or even a bench level all-star? i don't mean the ones who win the popular votes regardless of their actual level of play. or do you mean starting caliber as in not an all-star but a solid contributor who holds his own but is not a difference-maker?

my take is that you try to go for the latter. guys who are a bit under the radar, but who are heady enough to grasp the triangle and gritty enough to be decent defenders, and who are in great shape. i think it is important as part of a rebuild that we not overpay.

i think you look at the draft to find difference makers and potential all-star level players, ie ones that have the trajectory to be all-stars.

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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4/26/2015  8:50 AM
I work out with some oh his family (in long island ). He has like a thousand brothers who are athletic. .but they're just not 6-9. Anyways I know for a fact that he and his fam would love for him to be a knick. But it's all up to orlando
Knicks should be improved: win about 40 games and maybe sneak into the playoffs. Melo, Rose and even Noah will have some nice moments however this team should be about PORZINGUS. the sooner they make him the primary player, the better
Free agency much harder than most fans think

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