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blkexec
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5/22/2015 2:13 PM
CrushAlot wrote:blkexec wrote:He reminds me a lot of Jason Kidd when he first came into the league. Also, that is the case with anyone's highlight videos. You are going to see them playing well. Scouts and nba people know who Mudiay is and he has been well scouted. There are links in this thread to watch his games in china if you wanted tonixluva wrote:Just looking at his ability from over a year ago you can see the talent this kid has. His court vision and passing is all there. You can see the athletic ability and driving ability is all there. I saw those links and I started watching them.....But I don't have the patience of a real NBA scout, so I stopped watching them. But I play ball and I can tell, based on highlight videos and weaknesses that I've read. They are usually the same, with dynamic guards like Mudiay. I see the Kidd comparisons, but what you don't see and will never see is the heart like Kidd. The maturity and consistency to get better like Kidd. Everybody has similar skills....But the HOF players have more than skills which is why they are great. Nobody knows the kind of fire he has. I think going to China tells a lot about him. But if Kidd went to China, instead of college.....He would've broke all kinds of triple double stats.....Kidd was that good at the same age. Mudiay isn't at that level right now. Kidd looked like the floor general that you can trust in the 4th quarter. Mudiay is still learning to be efficient. Born in Brooklyn, Raised in Queens, Lives in Maryland.
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CrushAlot
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5/22/2015 2:23 PM
^^^^ Mudiay went to China to help his family. Not sure what that would tell about him that is negative.
"Emmanuel Mudiay has decided to pursue professional basketball opportunities," Brown said in a statement. "This is not an academic issue, since he has been admitted to SMU, but rather a hardship issue," Brown said in a statement. "After talking to Emmanuel, I know he really wants to alleviate some of the challenges his family faces and recognizes that he has an opportunity to help them now. While I believe that college is the best way to prepare for life and the NBA, Emmanuel's situation is unique. We were excited about having him at SMU, but we understand this decision and wish him the best." In a statement toSports Illustrated, Mudiay said, "I was excited about going to SMU and playing college basketball for coach Brown and his staff and preparing for the NBA ...But I was tired of seeing my mom struggle. And after sitting down with coach Brown and my family, we decided that the best way for me to provide for my mom was to forgo college and pursue professional basketball opportunities." http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/2014/07/14/emmanuel-mudiay-smu-decides-to-turn-pro-overseas/12634877/ I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18
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nixluva
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5/22/2015 2:31 PM
CrushAlot wrote:blkexec wrote:He reminds me a lot of Jason Kidd when he first came into the league. Also, that is the case with anyone's highlight videos. You are going to see them playing well. Scouts and nba people know who Mudiay is and he has been well scouted. There are links in this thread to watch his games in china if you wanted tonixluva wrote:Just looking at his ability from over a year ago you can see the talent this kid has. His court vision and passing is all there. You can see the athletic ability and driving ability is all there. People seem to forget that this kid was highly ranked in High School and he didn't disappoint in China. He played well enough to know that he is legit. Scouts were there to follow him and his progress. He's not a finished product which is why those who are down on him need to relax a bit. He's clearly got the makings of a star player already. If you know what you're looking for you can tell when a player has the right stuff and is more likely to continue to develop into more than he is currently. Determining player potential is not easy but there are those who have been doing it for a long time who say he's a worthy prospect. |
GustavBahler
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5/22/2015 2:48 PM
fishmike wrote:GustavBahler wrote:I think a couple of gears slower isnt really fair... but regardless the ability to drive and dish trumps pure shooting IMO, certainly for this team. We just dont have anyone who can break down a defense off the dribble. Nobody. The triangle is cute for freeing these guys for open looks at 20 footers, but for that system to really be effective you need the threat of someone who can break down the D and that is a skill Mudiay brings right out of the gate.fishmike wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Using a number 4 pick on a PG who cant consistently hit a jumper concerns me. Sure there are PGs who had the same issue who turned out to be very good players, but its a big gamble with a gutted roster.how do you feel about Westbrook? Life isnt fair Fish, J/K. Ok maybe just one gear slower. Mudiay has a lot of upside, my concern is using a high pick with the negatives he has and a close to a blank slate roster. We havent had a pick this high in eons, want Phil to get this right. We are hopefully picking a player to succeed Melo as the top dog, that is if we do keep the pick. |
fishmike
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5/22/2015 3:46 PM
GustavBahler wrote:its tough one isnt it? You want to pick a cornerstone piece, but have to ensure you at least get a piece. Of the 4 guys I ranked for this draft I have Towns and Mudiay 3 and 4 for that reason.fishmike wrote:GustavBahler wrote:I think a couple of gears slower isnt really fair... but regardless the ability to drive and dish trumps pure shooting IMO, certainly for this team. We just dont have anyone who can break down a defense off the dribble. Nobody. The triangle is cute for freeing these guys for open looks at 20 footers, but for that system to really be effective you need the threat of someone who can break down the D and that is a skill Mudiay brings right out of the gate.fishmike wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Using a number 4 pick on a PG who cant consistently hit a jumper concerns me. Sure there are PGs who had the same issue who turned out to be very good players, but its a big gamble with a gutted roster.how do you feel about Westbrook? But find me one scouting report that says this kid is going to bust, or has red flags...I really cant find one. I havent seen one site or report that says he's not a top 5 pick. So for whatever reason nobody has backed off this.. "winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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smackeddog
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5/22/2015 3:56 PM
An interesting take on the draft:
http://deanondraft.com/2015/04/03/2015-big-board-how-do-we-rate-mudiay/ Upsidey Guys Who Are Starting To Get a Bit Warty |
nixluva
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5/22/2015 4:55 PM
smackeddog wrote:An interesting take on the draft: I can understand this point of view, but from what i've seen and read Mudiay is not as out of control as Westbrook is and Wall was. Wall has since learned how to slow it down and play team ball. Mudiay is already that player. He's not mindlessly using his athletic ability but rather he's looking to run the offense and think the game. He has the ability to play fast and athletic if he wants to, but he showed much more maturity in his stint in China. by: Mike Schmitzhttp://www.draftexpress.com/#ixzz3au1Tfp3V It was just a very shot snap shot, but I think it was enough of a look to see how the kid handles very difficult circumstances. |
Moonangie
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5/22/2015 5:13 PM
I am getting pretty close to sold on Mudiay. His shot can/will be fixed in the first couple of years.
Just think we need a playmaker/leader on this team. As much as I like Winslow, I do not see his upside being the same as Mudiay. |
RonRon
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5/22/2015 5:26 PM
At pick 4, whether Russell or Mudiay
Mudiay has the highest upside with a LEGIT NBA TOP TIER PG body with legit PG skills IMO, he isn't a combo guard like Tyreke Evans but in fact a BIG PG and looks to create for his team mates like John Wall does
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martin
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5/22/2015 5:30 PM
BRIGGS wrote:The problem with Mudiay and the triangle is hes an ISO player who cant shoot very well. He is only a good athlete not a great athlete and somewhat careless with the ball right now. So you have a player who needs the ball doesnt shoot amd tens to be careless with it-- it will take significant developmental time(Think Exum) He will be in developmental mode for probably two years. IF we played a more open style I might think differently but we play system basketball and these are the facts. Hell be a solid basketball QB--maybe great but at a minimum safe. However he is not a triangle PG right now. He may be a D league 10-20 game guy before he comes to MSG. you may have just described Kobe coming out of HS too Official sponsor of the PURE KNICKS LOVE Program
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GustavBahler
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5/22/2015 5:36 PM
fishmike wrote:GustavBahler wrote:its tough one isnt it? You want to pick a cornerstone piece, but have to ensure you at least get a piece. Of the 4 guys I ranked for this draft I have Towns and Mudiay 3 and 4 for that reason.fishmike wrote:GustavBahler wrote:I think a couple of gears slower isnt really fair... but regardless the ability to drive and dish trumps pure shooting IMO, certainly for this team. We just dont have anyone who can break down a defense off the dribble. Nobody. The triangle is cute for freeing these guys for open looks at 20 footers, but for that system to really be effective you need the threat of someone who can break down the D and that is a skill Mudiay brings right out of the gate.fishmike wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Using a number 4 pick on a PG who cant consistently hit a jumper concerns me. Sure there are PGs who had the same issue who turned out to be very good players, but its a big gamble with a gutted roster.how do you feel about Westbrook? The higher the pick the lower the threshold for what is considered a bust IMO. Mudiay could be something special or he could turn into the second coming of Jonny Flynn. The red flags pointed out is his FG pct, 3pt shooting, FT shooting, turnovers, and his lapses in effort at times. |
mreinman
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5/22/2015 5:46 PM
Moonangie wrote:I am getting pretty close to sold on Mudiay. His shot can/will be fixed in the first couple of years. I don't know how people can just keep saying that. shots are not that easy to fix so here is what phil is thinking ....
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RonRon
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5/22/2015 6:02 PM LAST EDITED: 5/22/2015 6:16 PM
GustavBahler wrote:fishmike wrote:GustavBahler wrote:its tough one isnt it? You want to pick a cornerstone piece, but have to ensure you at least get a piece. Of the 4 guys I ranked for this draft I have Towns and Mudiay 3 and 4 for that reason.fishmike wrote:GustavBahler wrote:I think a couple of gears slower isnt really fair... but regardless the ability to drive and dish trumps pure shooting IMO, certainly for this team. We just dont have anyone who can break down a defense off the dribble. Nobody. The triangle is cute for freeing these guys for open looks at 20 footers, but for that system to really be effective you need the threat of someone who can break down the D and that is a skill Mudiay brings right out of the gate.fishmike wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Using a number 4 pick on a PG who cant consistently hit a jumper concerns me. Sure there are PGs who had the same issue who turned out to be very good players, but its a big gamble with a gutted roster.how do you feel about Westbrook?
Gustav, we all have different opinions, however, did you watch Westbrook play in college and his first year as a rookie? His body is comparable to Marcus Smart's body, however, he is far advanced than him in skills and physical abilities
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GustavBahler
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5/22/2015 6:21 PM
RonRon wrote:GustavBahler wrote:fishmike wrote:GustavBahler wrote:its tough one isnt it? You want to pick a cornerstone piece, but have to ensure you at least get a piece. Of the 4 guys I ranked for this draft I have Towns and Mudiay 3 and 4 for that reason.fishmike wrote:GustavBahler wrote:I think a couple of gears slower isnt really fair... but regardless the ability to drive and dish trumps pure shooting IMO, certainly for this team. We just dont have anyone who can break down a defense off the dribble. Nobody. The triangle is cute for freeing these guys for open looks at 20 footers, but for that system to really be effective you need the threat of someone who can break down the D and that is a skill Mudiay brings right out of the gate.fishmike wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Using a number 4 pick on a PG who cant consistently hit a jumper concerns me. Sure there are PGs who had the same issue who turned out to be very good players, but its a big gamble with a gutted roster.how do you feel about Westbrook? I wasn't making a comparison to Flynn as far as body type, or even his game, more about a prospect with a big upside but with his own red flags. In the end the red flags outweighed the positives in his game. As far as Westbrook, no I didn't spend time watching him in college, the comparisons Ive read are geared more towards his time as a pro. Mudiay will never have Westbrook's speed, which makes him one of the toughest defensive assignments in the league. Doesn't mean he can't be a very good or even a great player, but without Westbrook's speed its hard for me to compare the two. Don't want to give the impression that I believe Mudiay will turn out to be a bad pick, just a risky one from what little Ive seen and read about him. If the roster wasnt gutted, if the roster was closer to contending I would be more willing to see Phil take the risk. |
nixluva
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5/22/2015 6:58 PM
Phil intends on upgrading the roster via Free Agency to put together a competitive top 6 rotation. This will likely be a much more competitive team next year. We don't have a complete starting lineup so that's going to be the focus of the $28 Mil we have to spend.
I think Mudiay at this point in his development is a little behind Russell and Winslow. It's up to Phil to determine if his upside is worth the risk. If he doesn't want to take the risk then Winslow is the Safe pick. Winslow may not have the same upside but you pretty much know what you're getting. It's a tough call. It's going to be very interesting to see how the workouts go. I can't wait. |
Vmart
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5/22/2015 10:59 PM
If you watch Mudiay play he sees the floor really well. Watch some of his kick out passes and you wonder how he saw the guy there. It's as if he knows where his teammates are at all times. He thinks the game and uses his teammates as well as any PG I have seen. He puts a lot of pressure on opposing defenses with his ability to penetrate at will. He won't take long to make an impact I would not pass on this guy he is that good. His shot will get better he is a hard worker.
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CrushAlot
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5/23/2015 12:10 AM
mreinman wrote:Moonangie wrote:I am getting pretty close to sold on Mudiay. His shot can/will be fixed in the first couple of years. I read that a Spurs scout said that his shooting mechanics were good and that his shot could be fixed. I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18
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nixluva
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5/23/2015 12:35 AM
CrushAlot wrote:mreinman wrote:Moonangie wrote:I am getting pretty close to sold on Mudiay. His shot can/will be fixed in the first couple of years. We have to also consider that our scouting is old and not up to date. He's been training for months now at Impact and his Trainer Joe Abunassar says he's making progress. All of these kids get with top notch programs to prepare for the combine and the Draft. Mudiay has had a long time to really work on his overall game and conditioning. Impact Basketball |
fwk00
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5/23/2015 12:39 AM
RonRon wrote:GustavBahler wrote:fishmike wrote:GustavBahler wrote:its tough one isnt it? You want to pick a cornerstone piece, but have to ensure you at least get a piece. Of the 4 guys I ranked for this draft I have Towns and Mudiay 3 and 4 for that reason.fishmike wrote:GustavBahler wrote:I think a couple of gears slower isnt really fair... but regardless the ability to drive and dish trumps pure shooting IMO, certainly for this team. We just dont have anyone who can break down a defense off the dribble. Nobody. The triangle is cute for freeing these guys for open looks at 20 footers, but for that system to really be effective you need the threat of someone who can break down the D and that is a skill Mudiay brings right out of the gate.fishmike wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Using a number 4 pick on a PG who cant consistently hit a jumper concerns me. Sure there are PGs who had the same issue who turned out to be very good players, but its a big gamble with a gutted roster.how do you feel about Westbrook? Great observations. The "body type" argument is a strong one. Amare Stoudamire comes to mind (obviously a different player but...) - a man-child with a similar background. I happen to think we're lucky to have an opportunity at picking this kid. But the second wave of this draft will provide a number of solid rotation players as well but their ceiling is different than Mudiay's. I happen to think any backcourt combination of Mudiay/Gallo/Shved, and Tenacious on the wing could be a defensive juggernaut on any given night as well. Add Middleton, Carroll, or Butler and it gets interesting. |