yellowboy90 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:So what do you guys think of the secondary free agents--all 2 year contracts that are heavy in year 1 to bring them(or keep them here)

Smith 2 years 8mm
Anjica 2 years 8mm
Brooks 2 years 7mm
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Total 11.5mm

It would not good to have Anjica and Smith. Also, Bass is probably available at that price. Plus, I highly doubt Jason gets a raise. Give me Jason Smith at 2 yrs and 4m with a directive to shoot more corner threes and I'll think about depending on how he ends the season. Hopefully he is traded.

Also, do not be fooled by the Chicago back up pg dust Thibs sprinkles on players every year.

Nice

He loses 10000 bucks for every shot he takes between 16-23 feet.

mreinman wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:So what do you guys think of the secondary free agents--all 2 year contracts that are heavy in year 1 to bring them(or keep them here)

Smith 2 years 8mm
Anjica 2 years 8mm
Brooks 2 years 7mm
----------------------
Total 11.5mm

It would not good to have Anjica and Smith. Also, Bass is probably available at that price. Plus, I highly doubt Jason gets a raise. Give me Jason Smith at 2 yrs and 4m with a directive to shoot more corner threes and I'll think about depending on how he ends the season. Hopefully he is traded.

Also, do not be fooled by the Chicago back up pg dust Thibs sprinkles on players every year.

Nice

He loses 10000 bucks for every shot he takes between 16-23 feet.

are you trying to make Jason Smith owe money? Also, his jumper looks legit motion wise. If Millsap can do it I think Smith could to. Millsap has more of a strained motion. Not judging them as all around players just shooting.

As for our waiver/D League pickups, (no team is going to give us 2nd rounders for D Leaguers, regardless of how well they are currently playing with exception to Galloway of whom we likely would like to continue to develop if he continues to play this way)
I am torn between calling up Orlando Sanchez and Onuaku, as we would need some CHEAP roster spots this summer, and each contract from 500k to 1m, could be the difference in being able to put lure an attractive duo or trio of talents
However, we run the risk of losing out on a solid rotational player with decent upside for just 500k more as well

Thanasis

Early
Tim Hardaway JR

Probably have some sort of value, while I would put Thanasis as un untouchable catagory because of his lock down potential and high ceiling
Even if a team offers us a late 1st rounder in this draft, I would rather keep him, we need players that are CHEAP with his type of upside

The I don't know if teams will give us assets back catagory include

Acey
Larkin
Pablo

Travis Wear? with Lance Thomas and Lou Amundson (I can not believe I am saying this) but they make Wear expendable and we likely will be looking at more upside players anyway, though I don't think there actually is a market for his services, despite his ability to stretch the floor and high IQ, he doesn't have a high ceiling and isn't a player to target for contenders to utilize in the play offs

H1AND1 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:If we got Russell instead of Okafor?

Instead of trying to get Dragic Id offer Kanter a max contract or Millsap a 4 year 56mm$

Everything else the same.

It all depends on the top of the draft and who we get.

Same deal

C-Smith
PF Kanter or Millsap
F Melo
G Galloway
G Russell

yada yada yada

You'd pay Kanter more than Milsap? Milsap is the far superior player IMO. I'm against singing big money F's and C's who aren't good defenders. I admittedly haven't Utah much this season but from what I have seen Kanter doesn't look very inspired.

Also Rakeem Christmas is a friggin' awesome name. I'm all for drafting this dude just because of that.

not if your a jew

KNICKSBIGCATS wrote:One guy that I like that still seems to be under a lot of people’s radar, but his numbers are similar to Reggie Jackson, he plays in a winning system and his team already has two veterans on the roster and has other free agent priorities so might not match even a mid-level offer is Cory Joseph of the Spurs.
My priorities in free agency would be:
1. Throw a huge offer at Deandre Jordan (make one best offer that is likely not to be successful than move on)
2. Make an offer to Greg Monroe (if Jordan doesn’t sign)
3. Try to sign Cory Joseph to an offer sheet
4. If Golden State hasn’t moved Lee or Iguodala to get comfortably under the tax, try to poach Draymond Green
5. If offer to Joseph was rejected or matched, try to sign Reggie Jackson to an offer sheet
6. If no success at this point, throw hail Mary offers to Butler, Harris, or Leonard if they are still on the market and then give up on free agency for this year
7. Try to stay above the cap to maintain trade exceptions.

While Jordan is a good player, there couldn't be a worst fit for the triangle offense. I am positive Phil will not go after him. Monroe on the other hand is a very logical fit. And while Detroit is playing better, Stan will probably let him go because he will want to build a team very similar to what he had in Orlando, with Drummond down low and a more perimeter oriented big man. He is building that team around Drummond and Jennings,and Monroe is probably still gone. And like he did cutting smith, he's not afraid to lose a player for nothing in return.

BRIGGS wrote:If we got Russell instead of Okafor?

Instead of trying to get Dragic Id offer Kanter a max contract or Millsap a 4 year 56mm$

Everything else the same.

It all depends on the top of the draft and who we get.

Same deal

C-Smith
PF Kanter or Millsap
F Melo
G Galloway
G Russell

yada yada yada

Meanwhile the Knicks would be able to add some much needed depth, even if it does come in the form of injury prone players that will always miss 35 or so games a season. I also really like Dieng who is looking like a pretty good rim protector, excellent passer and as being capable of hitting midrange shots, which would be ideal at the 5 in the triangle. And should the D'Angelo Russell still be available with the Wolves' pick, we'd have two great young pieces locked up that fit the triangle and play two of the most critical positions in the league. That to me is worth $6-$25 million of salary that only works part-time. More importantly, we'd still have another $10 million or so to spend on free agents, which offers enough wiggle room to still make a splash in free agency.

Knixkik wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:Presuming we get the no.1 overall pick (a long shot), I still think that the best course of action would be to trade it and cash to the Wolves for Dieng, their pick and a slew of their bad contracts (i.e. Pekovic, Budinger and/or Martin). The move would effectively allow the Wolves to get the best value player in the trade and shed between $6-$25 million of long-term salary, which should be appealing to any small market team that is rebuilding.

Meanwhile the Knicks would be able to add some much needed depth, even if it does come in the form of injury prone players that will always miss 35 or so games a season. I also really like Dieng who is looking like a pretty good rim protector, excellent passer and as being capable of hitting midrange shots, which would be ideal at the 5 in the triangle. And should the D'Angelo Russell still be available with the Wolves' pick, we'd have two great young pieces locked up that fit the triangle and play two of the most critical positions in the league. That to me is worth $6-$25 million of salary that only works part-time. More importantly, we'd still have another $10 million or so to spend on free agents, which offers enough wiggle room to still make a splash in free agency.

Why trade down and use up cap space all for Dieng? Why not just draft who we want and use the cap space on players we want? That's a lot for one player with decent upside, unless we love the other players coming back in the deal, which i don't see.

We'd be trading down for Gorgui Dieng and a shot to draft D'Angelo Russell, who is drawing favorable comparisons to a bigger Steph Curry. Neither may have the overall impact that a Jahlil Okafor will but I'd be very surprised if neither guy made an all-star team or two in the future. From my perspective, D'Angelo Russell+ Gourgui Dieng> Jahlil Okafor and $6-$25 million in cap space for the Knicks. The inverse is true for the Wolves who have plenty of depth but need bigger starpower.

Knixkik wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:Presuming we get the no.1 overall pick (a long shot), I still think that the best course of action would be to trade it and cash to the Wolves for Dieng, their pick and a slew of their bad contracts (i.e. Pekovic, Budinger and/or Martin). The move would effectively allow the Wolves to get the best value player in the trade and shed between $6-$25 million of long-term salary, which should be appealing to any small market team that is rebuilding.

Meanwhile the Knicks would be able to add some much needed depth, even if it does come in the form of injury prone players that will always miss 35 or so games a season. I also really like Dieng who is looking like a pretty good rim protector, excellent passer and as being capable of hitting midrange shots, which would be ideal at the 5 in the triangle. And should the D'Angelo Russell still be available with the Wolves' pick, we'd have two great young pieces locked up that fit the triangle and play two of the most critical positions in the league. That to me is worth $6-$25 million of salary that only works part-time. More importantly, we'd still have another $10 million or so to spend on free agents, which offers enough wiggle room to still make a splash in free agency.

Why trade down and use up cap space all for Dieng? Why not just draft who we want and use the cap space on players we want? That's a lot for one player with decent upside, unless we love the other players coming back in the deal, which i don't see.

We'd be trading down for Gorgui Dieng and a shot to draft D'Angelo Russell, who is drawing favorable comparisons to a bigger Steph Curry. Neither may have the overall impact that a Jahlil Okafor will but I'd be very surprised if neither guy made an all-star team or two in the future. From my perspective, D'Angelo Russell+ Gourgui Dieng> Jahlil Okafor and $6-$25 million in cap space for the Knicks. The inverse is true for the Wolves who have plenty of depth but need bigger starpower.

I like Russell as much as everyone here, but if we are trading down, wouldn't we have a shot at Russell regardless? For that i would just offer Okafor for Russell and Dieng, and forget about all of the bad contracts. Take it or leave it. Other than that, don't see the point in taking their contracts. Would rather use that money towards free agents that fit. But having 2 core players instead of one makes sense, i see your point there. Just no need to take on bad contracts.

Okafor is good but not good enough to justify giving up a no.2-no.4 pick and Dieng, unless the Wolves are willing to make a piss poor decision. If Okafor's talent could command that kind of value, I'd just keep the pick. For the record though, the Wolves' bad contracts are fits in the triangle; the problem is just that their contracts don't match their production (over 82 games a season anyway).