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I think THJR has had more impact offensively in his career than Shump. With shumps experience you would think at this stage he would be so much better. Butler and lance are 2 guys that came up with him and both have become big time nba players. Shump had yet to reach that level. Thjr as been progressively getting better.

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jrodmc wrote:THJr ---> The new Shump
I think THJR has had more impact offensively in his career than Shump. With shumps experience you would think at this stage he would be so much better. Butler and lance are 2 guys that came up with him and both have become big time nba players. Shump had yet to reach that level. Thjr as been progressively getting better.

very true. The kid is only 22 and considering he was a late round pick in a weak draft hei has done a decent job on a bad team

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jrodmc wrote:THJr ---> The new Shump
I think THJR has had more impact offensively in his career than Shump. With shumps experience you would think at this stage he would be so much better. Butler and lance are 2 guys that came up with him and both have become big time nba players. Shump had yet to reach that level. Thjr as been progressively getting better.

they are about the same. Both give you tantalizing spurts of impact play followed by 3 games of head scratching why is he in the NBA type games. People need to grasp these guys just arent that good... not until they show otherwise.

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jrodmc wrote:THJr ---> The new Shump
I think THJR has had more impact offensively in his career than Shump. With shumps experience you would think at this stage he would be so much better. Butler and lance are 2 guys that came up with him and both have become big time nba players. Shump had yet to reach that level. Thjr as been progressively getting better.
they are about the same. Both give you tantalizing spurts of impact play followed by 3 games of head scratching why is he in the NBA type games. People need to grasp these guys just arent that good... not until they show otherwise.

actually hardaway has been pretty good ever since he has gotten more minutes. Again nobody is saying all star. Hell even barkley likes the kid and barkley despises the knicks

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fishmike wrote:
EnySpree wrote:
jrodmc wrote:THJr ---> The new Shump
I think THJR has had more impact offensively in his career than Shump. With shumps experience you would think at this stage he would be so much better. Butler and lance are 2 guys that came up with him and both have become big time nba players. Shump had yet to reach that level. Thjr as been progressively getting better.
they are about the same. Both give you tantalizing spurts of impact play followed by 3 games of head scratching why is he in the NBA type games. People need to grasp these guys just arent that good... not until they show otherwise.
actually hardaway has been pretty good ever since he has gotten more minutes. Again nobody is saying all star. Hell even barkley likes the kid and barkley despises the knicks

actually hes been just like I said. Had a couple decent (not great games) vs Bos and SAS. Followed that up with shooting 5-17 and 4-15 in his last two games before last night which was prob his best game of all five. So 1 good game, 2 OK and 2 abysmal out of the last five.... but fine. I was more impressed with how Iman started the season before the predictable happened

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StarksEwing1 wrote:
fishmike wrote:
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jrodmc wrote:THJr ---> The new Shump
I think THJR has had more impact offensively in his career than Shump. With shumps experience you would think at this stage he would be so much better. Butler and lance are 2 guys that came up with him and both have become big time nba players. Shump had yet to reach that level. Thjr as been progressively getting better.
they are about the same. Both give you tantalizing spurts of impact play followed by 3 games of head scratching why is he in the NBA type games. People need to grasp these guys just arent that good... not until they show otherwise.
actually hardaway has been pretty good ever since he has gotten more minutes. Again nobody is saying all star. Hell even barkley likes the kid and barkley despises the knicks
actually hes been just like I said. Had a couple decent (not great games) vs Bos and SAS. Followed that up with shooting 5-17 and 4-15 in his last two games before last night which was prob his best game of all five. So 1 good game, 2 OK and 2 abysmal out of the last five.... but fine. I was more impressed with how Iman started the season before the predictable happened

i think you have to take into account he is still very young and is playing on a bad team. I think with better talent around him both him and melo could flourish

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fishmike wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
fishmike wrote:
EnySpree wrote:
jrodmc wrote:THJr ---> The new Shump
I think THJR has had more impact offensively in his career than Shump. With shumps experience you would think at this stage he would be so much better. Butler and lance are 2 guys that came up with him and both have become big time nba players. Shump had yet to reach that level. Thjr as been progressively getting better.
they are about the same. Both give you tantalizing spurts of impact play followed by 3 games of head scratching why is he in the NBA type games. People need to grasp these guys just arent that good... not until they show otherwise.
actually hardaway has been pretty good ever since he has gotten more minutes. Again nobody is saying all star. Hell even barkley likes the kid and barkley despises the knicks
actually hes been just like I said. Had a couple decent (not great games) vs Bos and SAS. Followed that up with shooting 5-17 and 4-15 in his last two games before last night which was prob his best game of all five. So 1 good game, 2 OK and 2 abysmal out of the last five.... but fine. I was more impressed with how Iman started the season before the predictable happened
i think you have to take into account he is still very young and is playing on a bad team. I think with better talent around him both him and melo could flourish

no doubt about that, and for his pricetag hes around for the short term. I would love if this kid blossomed into something good. Doesnt have to be all star, I would be thrilled with a rotation guy good enough for winning team. You seem to think Im hating on the guy. All Im saying is I have yet to see the "just needs time to be an allstar" upside that some here have.

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fishmike wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
fishmike wrote:
EnySpree wrote:
jrodmc wrote:THJr ---> The new Shump
I think THJR has had more impact offensively in his career than Shump. With shumps experience you would think at this stage he would be so much better. Butler and lance are 2 guys that came up with him and both have become big time nba players. Shump had yet to reach that level. Thjr as been progressively getting better.
they are about the same. Both give you tantalizing spurts of impact play followed by 3 games of head scratching why is he in the NBA type games. People need to grasp these guys just arent that good... not until they show otherwise.
actually hardaway has been pretty good ever since he has gotten more minutes. Again nobody is saying all star. Hell even barkley likes the kid and barkley despises the knicks
actually hes been just like I said. Had a couple decent (not great games) vs Bos and SAS. Followed that up with shooting 5-17 and 4-15 in his last two games before last night which was prob his best game of all five. So 1 good game, 2 OK and 2 abysmal out of the last five.... but fine. I was more impressed with how Iman started the season before the predictable happened

And Shumpert is still only what 24-25?

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fishmike wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
fishmike wrote:
EnySpree wrote:
jrodmc wrote:THJr ---> The new Shump
I think THJR has had more impact offensively in his career than Shump. With shumps experience you would think at this stage he would be so much better. Butler and lance are 2 guys that came up with him and both have become big time nba players. Shump had yet to reach that level. Thjr as been progressively getting better.
they are about the same. Both give you tantalizing spurts of impact play followed by 3 games of head scratching why is he in the NBA type games. People need to grasp these guys just arent that good... not until they show otherwise.
actually hardaway has been pretty good ever since he has gotten more minutes. Again nobody is saying all star. Hell even barkley likes the kid and barkley despises the knicks
actually hes been just like I said. Had a couple decent (not great games) vs Bos and SAS. Followed that up with shooting 5-17 and 4-15 in his last two games before last night which was prob his best game of all five. So 1 good game, 2 OK and 2 abysmal out of the last five.... but fine. I was more impressed with how Iman started the season before the predictable happened
And Shumpert is still only what 24-25?

Do all young players get better because they are young? How many years in the league before you start to see what a guy is. Shump is about as good as he was as a rookie. Play hard (not always well) on defense and is athletic but a brutally low IQ player on offense. So far you can count on Shumpert either getting hurt or regressing to bad habits or poor shooting. Thats what he is. Another player we had a chance to sell high on but instead played it out until its a no win. Shump is gone and at this point I would rather see what Ware is capable of with some minutes. He will be here next year

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gunsnewing wrote:
fishmike wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
fishmike wrote:
EnySpree wrote:
jrodmc wrote:THJr ---> The new Shump
I think THJR has had more impact offensively in his career than Shump. With shumps experience you would think at this stage he would be so much better. Butler and lance are 2 guys that came up with him and both have become big time nba players. Shump had yet to reach that level. Thjr as been progressively getting better.
they are about the same. Both give you tantalizing spurts of impact play followed by 3 games of head scratching why is he in the NBA type games. People need to grasp these guys just arent that good... not until they show otherwise.
actually hardaway has been pretty good ever since he has gotten more minutes. Again nobody is saying all star. Hell even barkley likes the kid and barkley despises the knicks
actually hes been just like I said. Had a couple decent (not great games) vs Bos and SAS. Followed that up with shooting 5-17 and 4-15 in his last two games before last night which was prob his best game of all five. So 1 good game, 2 OK and 2 abysmal out of the last five.... but fine. I was more impressed with how Iman started the season before the predictable happened
And Shumpert is still only what 24-25?
Do all young players get better because they are young? How many years in the league before you start to see what a guy is. Shump is about as good as he was as a rookie. Play hard (not always well) on defense and is athletic but a brutally low IQ player on offense. So far you can count on Shumpert either getting hurt or regressing to bad habits or poor shooting. Thats what he is. Another player we had a chance to sell high on but instead played it out until its a no win. Shump is gone and at this point I would rather see what Ware is capable of with some minutes. He will be here next year

Agreed Shump has reached the point where you are what you are.

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Keepers: Larkin, THJ, Carmelo, Wear, Acy, and Priggioni

Thank God Fisher is no longer our coach, now let's get Calderon out of here:)

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fishmike wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
fishmike wrote:
EnySpree wrote:
jrodmc wrote:THJr ---> The new Shump
I think THJR has had more impact offensively in his career than Shump. With shumps experience you would think at this stage he would be so much better. Butler and lance are 2 guys that came up with him and both have become big time nba players. Shump had yet to reach that level. Thjr as been progressively getting better.
they are about the same. Both give you tantalizing spurts of impact play followed by 3 games of head scratching why is he in the NBA type games. People need to grasp these guys just arent that good... not until they show otherwise.
actually hardaway has been pretty good ever since he has gotten more minutes. Again nobody is saying all star. Hell even barkley likes the kid and barkley despises the knicks
actually hes been just like I said. Had a couple decent (not great games) vs Bos and SAS. Followed that up with shooting 5-17 and 4-15 in his last two games before last night which was prob his best game of all five. So 1 good game, 2 OK and 2 abysmal out of the last five.... but fine. I was more impressed with how Iman started the season before the predictable happened

Dude, if you are going to chastise the kid, at least be fair. Every player in the league go through Shooting slumps. At least he is now attacking the basket and going to the freethrow line. Defensively, he is a work in progress. The onus is on he coaching staff to work with the kid and help him to improve as a defender.

Thank God Fisher is no longer our coach, now let's get Calderon out of here:)

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Knicks1969 wrote:Keepers: Larkin, THJ, Carmelo, Wear, Acy, and Priggioni

The real keeper out of the bunch is the Greek Freak II.

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Knicks1969 wrote:Keepers: Larkin, THJ, Carmelo, Wear, Acy, and Priggioni
The real keeper out of the bunch is the Greek Freak II.

Exactly

The one true star in the pipeline is Thanasis.

The rest can stay or leave and it will make little difference without getting true NBA starters.

Melo needs to be dumped ASAP as soon as a deal that delivers picks comes along. Guy is an ambulance case in progress and the franchise will bury itself if it holds on to him.

This team is a wipeout. ThaNasty is the only player who can break out and be something special. There may be a couple of roster players in Westchester who can do better, but ThaNasty is the prize.

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fishmike wrote:the roster is total crap.

Bullseye.

Not one player on this team could I give a **** about stsying or going.

If we could get rid of all 15, fine, even though we know that isn't possible.

Aside from out 'superstar', the other shining light on this team is Timmy?

He's okay but I'm not gonna slobber over him like he's gonna be some sort of all star anytime soon.

He'll me a career 11-15 point scorer & seems to be the player held in higher regard here more than any other knick other than our fearful leader.

That sucks so much.

[quote="jrodmc"] Melo is stupid. [/quote]

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THJ is going to be a nice 6th man one day.

He doesn't have the physical or mental makeup of a starting SG.

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Knicks1969 wrote:Keepers: Larkin, THJ, Carmelo, Wear, Acy, and Priggioni
The real keeper out of the bunch is the Greek Freak II.

Let's watch him play for a couple of season first, then we will talk. Knowing how impatient most of you are, you will want to trade him by next year

Thank God Fisher is no longer our coach, now let's get Calderon out of here:)

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