VCoug wrote:

smackeddog wrote:The problem is all 3 of our SGs are streaky as hell- Shump, JR, Tim Jr- they can all go 0 for 9 or 6 for 9 on any given night.

But Shump can actually play lockdown defense every night. JR and THJr can't say the same thing.

Exactly- JR and Tim Jr are pretty much useless if their jumper isn't falling, but at least Shump can help with his defense.

CrushAlot wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:We need more offensive fire power to set the tone of the game shump is not a tone setter he should be coming off the bench to solidify the defense.. Which is more important in the middle and end of games.. Thjr is not as streaky as jr and shump.. Thjr can knock down open jumpers at will unlike jr and shump... Thjrs game is more suited as a starter then a bench player.. Shump is just not starter caliber in the nba.. Good bench and role player though... Can bring defensive energy off bench which we are missing big time

Agree. He looks better this year but going 4 on 5 or 3 on 5 on offense like last year when he was on the court just doesn't work. Shump did a nice job on DeRozan.

Yes also shump seems to do better on offense when the tone has already been set. I like shump finishing games just not starting games

Splat wrote:Without Shump, this team will have NOBODY IN THE CURRENT BACKCOURT ROTATION that plays consistent, higher level defense. The rest of the backcourt is either incompetent, slow, lazy or old defensively.

This continues to highlight the Knicks BS roster full of one-way players. It turns rotation management into a game of either/or. Either you put a scorer on the floor or a defender. Damned if you do it either way.

And that is why this roster is not that talented and will continue to be a constant juggling act for Fish until somebody shows they can play both ends of the court. That primarily means Timmy growing a bigger brain and playing defense and a more all-around game or Shump getting on track offensively. Banking on either is not good gambling math right now.

The backcourt production will remain streaky as hell and this team will live and die by the backcourt's offensive unreliability plus the frontline's susceptibility to penetration and their response to that.

These issues at some point this season should give some other players a shot at getting minutes. If Early plays and gives it his all defensively and is OK at it, he will kick the door open to minutes. That could even apply to guys at the end of the bench now like Galloway.

As great of a shooter Calderon is, he's not a factor in scoring the basketball since he doesnt shoot enough to make a difference.....same with Pablo.

Splat wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Splat wrote:Without Shump, this team will have NOBODY IN THE CURRENT BACKCOURT ROTATION that plays consistent, higher level defense. The rest of the backcourt is either incompetent, slow, lazy or old defensively.

This continues to highlight the Knicks BS roster full of one-way players. It turns rotation management into a game of either/or. Either you put a scorer on the floor or a defender. Damned if you do it either way.

And that is why this roster is not that talented and will continue to be a constant juggling act for Fish until somebody shows they can play both ends of the court. That primarily means Timmy growing a bigger brain and playing defense and a more all-around game or Shump getting on track offensively. Banking on either is not good gambling math right now.

The backcourt production will remain streaky as hell and this team will live and die by the backcourt's offensive unreliability plus the frontline's susceptibility to penetration and their response to that.

These issues at some point this season should give some other players a shot at getting minutes. If Early plays and gives it his all defensively and is OK at it, he will kick the door open to minutes. That could even apply to guys at the end of the bench now like Galloway.

The irony is that no one on the team can consistently score, even Melo is either hot or cold, so to eliminate the best defender out of the starting lineup would be ever so silly.

As great of a shooter Calderon is, he's not a factor in scoring the basketball since he doesnt shoot enough to make a difference.....same with Pablo.

Yep, we'll be lucky if Jose's 20+ nights can be counted on more than one hand this season.

The way I feel about him and Pablo is similar to how I feel about Sam.

I like them all. I appreciate their games and think they play smart.

But they are going to be overmatched most of the time.

I don't know why so many were surprised at what Sam can do. Hadn't they seen him play before? He's a pro, competent, fairly well-rounded player.

Sam, Pablo and Jose are all just not young and strong enough to counter their match-ups on either end of the floor most nights.

So people can get psyched about the good things they do, but it just is not enough. Not enough firepower, energy, force. I could roll with a young Sam and Pablo. That'd be great. But that's not our story.

These are all players who cannot play extended minutes every night. Half of the games are back to backs this year which is wacked. Just one more reason many of the rosy optimists here just don't get why we will not be able to keep up many nights.

smackeddog wrote:The problem is all 3 of our SGs are streaky as hell- Shump, JR, Tim Jr- they can all go 0 for 9 or 6 for 9 on any given night.

fitzfarm wrote:Shump going 0 for is going to be a common occurrence as a starter

Nixluva is not gonna like that you guys said this

When I did, he said they could on most night do the opposite

Splat wrote:Without Shump, this team will have NOBODY IN THE CURRENT BACKCOURT ROTATION that plays consistent, higher level defense. The rest of the backcourt is either incompetent, slow, lazy or old defensively.

This continues to highlight the Knicks BS roster full of one-way players. It turns rotation management into a game of either/or. Either you put a scorer on the floor or a defender. Damned if you do it either way.

And that is why this roster is not that talented and will continue to be a constant juggling act for Fish until somebody shows they can play both ends of the court. That primarily means Timmy growing a bigger brain and playing defense and a more all-around game or Shump getting on track offensively. Banking on either is not good gambling math right now.

The backcourt production will remain streaky as hell and this team will live and die by the backcourt's offensive unreliability plus the frontline's susceptibility to penetration and their response to that.

These issues at some point this season should give some other players a shot at getting minutes. If Early plays and gives it his all defensively and is OK at it, he will kick the door open to minutes. That could even apply to guys at the end of the bench now like Galloway.

True, that's why I say at this juncture

Put the scorer on the floor because the culture is the system

The System is the Triangle, therefore Knicks Offense > Knicks Defense

Play the guys who perform the best in The System

Continue to teach and coach the areas of the game to improve

Shump told us he'd have crazy opportunity in this system to be a slasher-scorer

And get to the rim for easy baskets, did any of us see this in the 7 ps games

THJR got more assists, more blks, as many stls and shot the ball better

Than Smith or Shumpert but hey let the posting of Jose's numbers matter

But not THJR's because that's sinful and a no no