nixluva wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

nixluva wrote:If you do a rough comparison of the rosters of the Raptors and the Knicks in terms of scoring it's not like the Knicks are way off. The scores from Last year are mostly lower than normal for the Knicks role players as we all know the Knicks struggled offensively last year and most played below their career averages. IMO it's not unrealistic to think these guys can be more productive in this system as they get adjusted and build chemistry. STAT and JR were really playing well at the end of last year and were both scoring well. It's going to be important for Fish to get them comfortable in this system cuz if he does that makes this team much more potent. Right now it looks worse than it should with guys struggling to get comfortable but there is a lot of room for upside with this roster.

1.  Carmelo Anthony	27.1  DeMar DeRozan      22.7
2.  J.R. Smith          14.5  Kyle Lowry         17.9
3.  Andrea Bargnani	13.3  Jonas Valanciunas  11.3
4.  Amar'e Stoudemire   11.9  Terrence Ross      10.9
5.  Jose Calderon       11.3  Louis Williams     10.4                            
6.  Tim Hardaway	10.2  Amir Johnson       10.4
7.  Jason Smith	         9.7  Greivis Vasquez     9.5  
8.  Iman Shumpert        6.7  Patrick Patterson   9.1
9.  Samuel Dalembert     6.6  James Johnson       7.9         
10  Travis Outlaw        5.4  Jordan Hamilton     6.7
11. Pablo Prigioni       3.8  Tyler Hansbrough    4.9           
12. Quincy Acy           2.7  Landry Fields       2.3
13. Shane Larkin	 2.8  Greg Stiemsma       2.9
14. Cole Aldrich	 2.0  Chuck Hayes         2.2

What you continue to fail at is factoring

The advantages of other teams

In this case the Raptors do not

Have to learn a new system, they know what Casey expects

They don't have a 1st year coach

They have a system they've won in

They are more familiar with each other

They have players on an uptick like Val and Demar

They added a proven scorer in Lou Williams

Oh and our schedule out the gate is brutal

Considering we have lots of adjusting to do

The league is much better now

All of this is true but it doesn't mean the Knicks can't reach their maximum potential, which IMO is still higher than that of the Raptors. You may believe in DeRozan, Lowry and Jonas somehow being a top team in the East but I don't. I actually think they aren't going to be so much better that they will be able to hold off the Knicks. I like DeRozan a lot. I think he's clearly the teams best player and is growing to his full potential. I think Jonas will be a little better but I don't think of him as a dominant big. Lowry IMO is going to level off at about what he was last year and maybe a bit less this year after getting his money. Lou Williams is OK. Good 6th man but let's not get carried away either. They're a well coached team that has good chemistry.

Here's the thing I believe that even last year when the Knicks were atrocious they were competitive with the Raptors. Right now the Knicks even at this shaky stage are competitive with the Raptors. However, when the Knicks get it together I think they're better than the Raptors and that's where we differ. I don't believe the Raptors ceiling is higher than the Knicks. Last year to close the season the Knicks finally started playing closer to their real potential and they went 16-7. That was last year with a more flawed roster and worse system on O and D. I think this roster is better and makes more sense in light of the better system on O and D this year. I think we clearly have better coaching and leadership this year. That's what I think the doubters are missing.

Despite the shakiness, this team is going to be better than last year by a lot. Yes they have a tough opening schedule. That still doesn't mean they can't win games.

CrushAlot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

nixluva wrote:If you do a rough comparison of the rosters of the Raptors and the Knicks in terms of scoring it's not like the Knicks are way off. The scores from Last year are mostly lower than normal for the Knicks role players as we all know the Knicks struggled offensively last year and most played below their career averages. IMO it's not unrealistic to think these guys can be more productive in this system as they get adjusted and build chemistry. STAT and JR were really playing well at the end of last year and were both scoring well. It's going to be important for Fish to get them comfortable in this system cuz if he does that makes this team much more potent. Right now it looks worse than it should with guys struggling to get comfortable but there is a lot of room for upside with this roster.

1.  Carmelo Anthony	27.1  DeMar DeRozan      22.7
2.  J.R. Smith          14.5  Kyle Lowry         17.9
3.  Andrea Bargnani	13.3  Jonas Valanciunas  11.3
4.  Amar'e Stoudemire   11.9  Terrence Ross      10.9
5.  Jose Calderon       11.3  Louis Williams     10.4                            
6.  Tim Hardaway	10.2  Amir Johnson       10.4
7.  Jason Smith	         9.7  Greivis Vasquez     9.5  
8.  Iman Shumpert        6.7  Patrick Patterson   9.1
9.  Samuel Dalembert     6.6  James Johnson       7.9         
10  Travis Outlaw        5.4  Jordan Hamilton     6.7
11. Pablo Prigioni       3.8  Tyler Hansbrough    4.9           
12. Quincy Acy           2.7  Landry Fields       2.3
13. Shane Larkin	 2.8  Greg Stiemsma       2.9
14. Cole Aldrich	 2.0  Chuck Hayes         2.2

What you continue to fail at is factoring

The advantages of other teams

In this case the Raptors do not

Have to learn a new system, they know what Casey expects

They don't have a 1st year coach

They have a system they've won in

They are more familiar with each other

They have players on an uptick like Val and Demar

They added a proven scorer in Lou Williams

Oh and our schedule out the gate is brutal

Considering we have lots of adjusting to do

The league is much better now

All of this is true but it doesn't mean the Knicks can't reach their maximum potential, which IMO is still higher than that of the Raptors. You may believe in DeRozan, Lowry and Jonas somehow being a top team in the East but I don't. I actually think they aren't going to be so much better that they will be able to hold off the Knicks. I like DeRozan a lot. I think he's clearly the teams best player and is growing to his full potential. I think Jonas will be a little better but I don't think of him as a dominant big. Lowry IMO is going to level off at about what he was last year and maybe a bit less this year after getting his money. Lou Williams is OK. Good 6th man but let's not get carried away either. They're a well coached team that has good chemistry.

Here's the thing I believe that even last year when the Knicks were atrocious they were competitive with the Raptors. Right now the Knicks even at this shaky stage are competitive with the Raptors. However, when the Knicks get it together I think they're better than the Raptors and that's where we differ. I don't believe the Raptors ceiling is higher than the Knicks. Last year to close the season the Knicks finally started playing closer to their real potential and they went 16-7. That was last year with a more flawed roster and worse system on O and D. I think this roster is better and makes more sense in light of the better system on O and D this year. I think we clearly have better coaching and leadership this year. That's what I think the doubters are missing.

Despite the shakiness, this team is going to be better than last year by a lot. Yes they have a tough opening schedule. That still doesn't mean they can't win games.

In regards to Lowry, I love the way the guy goes all out and would have loved him on the Knicks. That being said he has struggled to stay healthy for almost his entire career. Last year was more the exception then the rule for him. If he can sustain his level of play and health from last year that would be fantastic for the raptors. Not sure that he can do that. Part of it is just his style of play.

CrushAlot wrote:

“I just can’t wait until the season starts,” Tony Parker said. “This was preseason, and it doesn’t mean anything.”

A proven champion and Finals MVP

Has the liberty to say this

No one on this team better not

Even think to say this publicly

nixluva wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

nixluva wrote:If you do a rough comparison of the rosters of the Raptors and the Knicks in terms of scoring it's not like the Knicks are way off. The scores from Last year are mostly lower than normal for the Knicks role players as we all know the Knicks struggled offensively last year and most played below their career averages. IMO it's not unrealistic to think these guys can be more productive in this system as they get adjusted and build chemistry. STAT and JR were really playing well at the end of last year and were both scoring well. It's going to be important for Fish to get them comfortable in this system cuz if he does that makes this team much more potent. Right now it looks worse than it should with guys struggling to get comfortable but there is a lot of room for upside with this roster.

1.  Carmelo Anthony	27.1  DeMar DeRozan      22.7
2.  J.R. Smith          14.5  Kyle Lowry         17.9
3.  Andrea Bargnani	13.3  Jonas Valanciunas  11.3
4.  Amar'e Stoudemire   11.9  Terrence Ross      10.9
5.  Jose Calderon       11.3  Louis Williams     10.4                            
6.  Tim Hardaway	10.2  Amir Johnson       10.4
7.  Jason Smith	         9.7  Greivis Vasquez     9.5  
8.  Iman Shumpert        6.7  Patrick Patterson   9.1
9.  Samuel Dalembert     6.6  James Johnson       7.9         
10  Travis Outlaw        5.4  Jordan Hamilton     6.7
11. Pablo Prigioni       3.8  Tyler Hansbrough    4.9           
12. Quincy Acy           2.7  Landry Fields       2.3
13. Shane Larkin	 2.8  Greg Stiemsma       2.9
14. Cole Aldrich	 2.0  Chuck Hayes         2.2

What you continue to fail at is factoring

The advantages of other teams

In this case the Raptors do not

Have to learn a new system, they know what Casey expects

They don't have a 1st year coach

They have a system they've won in

They are more familiar with each other

They have players on an uptick like Val and Demar

They added a proven scorer in Lou Williams

Oh and our schedule out the gate is brutal

Considering we have lots of adjusting to do

The league is much better now

All of this is true but it doesn't mean the Knicks can't reach their maximum potential, which IMO is still higher than that of the Raptors. You may believe in DeRozan, Lowry and Jonas somehow being a top team in the East but I don't. I actually think they aren't going to be so much better that they will be able to hold off the Knicks. I like DeRozan a lot. I think he's clearly the teams best player and is growing to his full potential. I think Jonas will be a little better but I don't think of him as a dominant big. Lowry IMO is going to level off at about what he was last year and maybe a bit less this year after getting his money. Lou Williams is OK. Good 6th man but let's not get carried away either. They're a well coached team that has good chemistry.

Here's the thing I believe that even last year when the Knicks were atrocious they were competitive with the Raptors. Right now the Knicks even at this shaky stage are competitive with the Raptors. However, when the Knicks get it together I think they're better than the Raptors and that's where we differ. I don't believe the Raptors ceiling is higher than the Knicks. Last year to close the season the Knicks finally started playing closer to their real potential and they went 16-7. That was last year with a more flawed roster and worse system on O and D. I think this roster is better and makes more sense in light of the better system on O and D this year. I think we clearly have better coaching and leadership this year. That's what I think the doubters are missing.

Despite the shakiness, this team is going to be better than last year by a lot. Yes they have a tough opening schedule. That still doesn't mean they can't win games.

I will undress this post tomorrow

I'm hitting the sack

But to give you a clue about taking

Sample sizes out of a season and Where I'll be headed

Amongst other poor examples of your Pom-Pom ridiculousness

Think of Raptors before and after////// huge clue

F500ONE wrote:

nixluva wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

nixluva wrote:If you do a rough comparison of the rosters of the Raptors and the Knicks in terms of scoring it's not like the Knicks are way off. The scores from Last year are mostly lower than normal for the Knicks role players as we all know the Knicks struggled offensively last year and most played below their career averages. IMO it's not unrealistic to think these guys can be more productive in this system as they get adjusted and build chemistry. STAT and JR were really playing well at the end of last year and were both scoring well. It's going to be important for Fish to get them comfortable in this system cuz if he does that makes this team much more potent. Right now it looks worse than it should with guys struggling to get comfortable but there is a lot of room for upside with this roster.

1.  Carmelo Anthony	27.1  DeMar DeRozan      22.7
2.  J.R. Smith          14.5  Kyle Lowry         17.9
3.  Andrea Bargnani	13.3  Jonas Valanciunas  11.3
4.  Amar'e Stoudemire   11.9  Terrence Ross      10.9
5.  Jose Calderon       11.3  Louis Williams     10.4                            
6.  Tim Hardaway	10.2  Amir Johnson       10.4
7.  Jason Smith	         9.7  Greivis Vasquez     9.5  
8.  Iman Shumpert        6.7  Patrick Patterson   9.1
9.  Samuel Dalembert     6.6  James Johnson       7.9         
10  Travis Outlaw        5.4  Jordan Hamilton     6.7
11. Pablo Prigioni       3.8  Tyler Hansbrough    4.9           
12. Quincy Acy           2.7  Landry Fields       2.3
13. Shane Larkin	 2.8  Greg Stiemsma       2.9
14. Cole Aldrich	 2.0  Chuck Hayes         2.2

What you continue to fail at is factoring

The advantages of other teams

In this case the Raptors do not

Have to learn a new system, they know what Casey expects

They don't have a 1st year coach

They have a system they've won in

They are more familiar with each other

They have players on an uptick like Val and Demar

They added a proven scorer in Lou Williams

Oh and our schedule out the gate is brutal

Considering we have lots of adjusting to do

The league is much better now

All of this is true but it doesn't mean the Knicks can't reach their maximum potential, which IMO is still higher than that of the Raptors. You may believe in DeRozan, Lowry and Jonas somehow being a top team in the East but I don't. I actually think they aren't going to be so much better that they will be able to hold off the Knicks. I like DeRozan a lot. I think he's clearly the teams best player and is growing to his full potential. I think Jonas will be a little better but I don't think of him as a dominant big. Lowry IMO is going to level off at about what he was last year and maybe a bit less this year after getting his money. Lou Williams is OK. Good 6th man but let's not get carried away either. They're a well coached team that has good chemistry.

Here's the thing I believe that even last year when the Knicks were atrocious they were competitive with the Raptors. Right now the Knicks even at this shaky stage are competitive with the Raptors. However, when the Knicks get it together I think they're better than the Raptors and that's where we differ. I don't believe the Raptors ceiling is higher than the Knicks. Last year to close the season the Knicks finally started playing closer to their real potential and they went 16-7. That was last year with a more flawed roster and worse system on O and D. I think this roster is better and makes more sense in light of the better system on O and D this year. I think we clearly have better coaching and leadership this year. That's what I think the doubters are missing.

Despite the shakiness, this team is going to be better than last year by a lot. Yes they have a tough opening schedule. That still doesn't mean they can't win games.

I will undress this post tomorrow

I'm hitting the sack

But to give you a clue about taking

Sample sizes out of a season and Where I'll be headed

Amongst other poor examples of your Pom-Pom ridiculousness

Think of Raptors before and after////// huge clue

every game.

It was only preseason.

The Spurs only won 2 games.

Lets see what happens

in the regular season

the preseason is ////

I feel handicapped posting

like this //// like

Shump on offense

Daly is better than

the dpoy hyped and

legend? not

sure. But this style

is ////up and I hate it.

knickscity wrote:Honestly, I've gotten used to the typing style, especially since it was explained why he does it. The car make not look so great on the outside, but it runs well and serves it's purpose.

if everyone at

UK posted like

this that Martin and

//// would add any new

posters to the ////?

Or do you /////

that guys would flee to

real//?

knickscity wrote:Hawks dont make even though they get Horford back? not even gonna read the rationale with that one.

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/IanBegley/status/526410351269937156

I dont see why folks defend this dude...he's done.

knickscity wrote:may be we can after all.....

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/IanBegley/status/526410351269937156

I dont see why folks defend this dude...he's done.

Just another set of unfortunate circumstances

That puts this team in a bind and pushes Phil into a corner

knickscity wrote:Yep, Both Phil and Fish got egg on their face defending this dude. They want him to start so bad for personal reasons.

Which was-is so bizarre, he's not that good never was

They didn't draft, groom, or trade for him

He is not a long term fit

Sometimes silence is bliss