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callmened
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Obviously Melo is our star player in which this whole franchise is built on (for better or worse). Hes our best offensive player that will lead this team (for better or worse). My question is who will be the 2nd most VALUABLE player? By that, i dont mean, who is the 2nd best player - i mean the 2nd most NEEDED or NECESSARY player.

Please cast your vote and say why (please dont say - Amare because hes the Best!!) I'm looking for votes as well as logic for why you make your selection

THANKS!

Jose Calderon - professional PG to guide offense
Iman Shumpert - only perimeter defender
Amare Stoudamire - need a 2nd scorer in the post
Samuel Dalembert - inside defensive presence
JR smith - need a bounce back season like 2012-13
Tim Hardaway - youngster with potential
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gunsnewing
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10/23/2014  10:40 PM
ah easy one

Shumpert - best 2-way multi-dimensional player we drafted since Ewing

Then:
Calderon
Dalembert
Acy
THJ
Jason
AUTOADVERT
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10/23/2014  11:17 PM
Calderon - we have seen what it's like with sub standard point guard play.
Bring back dee-fense
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10/23/2014  11:24 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/23/2014  11:56 PM
Tim Hardaway JR has the 2nd most value on this team by 10000000000 miles He may not be our 2nd best player--but he has the 2nd most "value"
RIP Crushalot😞
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10/23/2014  11:44 PM
I voted for Amare. Not because I expect him to be our second most valuable player but because I think he deserves to have a great year - and if he does I think this team can be pretty good.
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10/23/2014  11:55 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/23/2014  11:56 PM
RIP Crushalot😞
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10/24/2014  12:20 AM
i voted for shumpert only because he is the only perimeter defender on the team. For a team full of players who dont play defense, i think shumpert is most important for shutting down (or at least minimalizing opposing guards)
Knicks should be improved: win about 40 games and maybe sneak into the playoffs. Melo, Rose and even Noah will have some nice moments however this team should be about PORZINGUS. the sooner they make him the primary player, the better
gunsnewing
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10/24/2014  7:53 AM
Early is a rookie picked what 36? Even high 1 round picks need years to develop
callmened
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10/24/2014  8:13 AM
folks, im referring to NOW as in this 2014-15 season. thanks
Knicks should be improved: win about 40 games and maybe sneak into the playoffs. Melo, Rose and even Noah will have some nice moments however this team should be about PORZINGUS. the sooner they make him the primary player, the better
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10/24/2014  8:26 AM
BRIGGS wrote:Tim Hardaway JR has the 2nd most value on this team by 10000000000 miles He may not be our 2nd best player--but he has the 2nd most "value"

I think you nailed it. There's not much value on this roster but Timmy has got to be the 2nd most valuable around the league. The second best player? We are starved for scorers so I could say Amare but given how injury prone is and that he doesn't look comfortable in the triangle, I gotta go with Jose. He is just very consistent and reliable. JR is too inconsistent imo. I wouldn't even consider anyone else.
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10/24/2014  8:29 AM
If you are going to go THJ You might as well go with Amare. Both guys give you nothing but scoring. At least Amare does it consistently

This is value to this year's team correct?

Value around the league then you can put THJ up there. On par with Shumpert
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10/24/2014  8:31 AM
My inner snark wanted me to say Melo was the second most valuable.

I picked Calderon, and as I think of how he is the second most valuable, I'd argue he is the most valuable, much like Kidd was for stretches during our prior season.

We now have a system in place that enables anyone to score when they have an open look. We need the floor general to get everyone into this style of play, and I think Calderon can do that.

We know Melo can score, and doing that single-handedly last year produced a lottery season.

We need Melo to score efficiently, and I don't know that he has ever proved he could do so on his own.

Hence, Calderon is more important, because as we rebuild, I could easily see someone else slip into Melo's slot and score- not as much, but efficiently, in the team concept and in a winning way.
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10/24/2014  8:42 AM
I voted Amare. Calderon is important, but I think we dont need him to be anything besides Jose Calderon. That being said Amare's health with have the biggest impact. If he can play the 30ish minutes they have planned for him and stay 80% healthy the Knicks can be a really good team if Fisher can get them playing together. Even if they arent a great defense unit (but can at least get some stops) a healthy Amare/Melo/JR/THjr is some really nice firepower.

Amare will be the #2 impact player value wise next season. We saw what happened end of last year when he gets on a roll.

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10/24/2014  8:46 AM
gunsnewing wrote:ah easy one

Shumpert - best 2-way multi-dimensional player we drafted since Ewing

Then:
Calderon
Dalembert
Acy
THJ
Jason

Ill give you $20 if you never mention Shump and Ewing in the same post again. At least until Shump is doing anything. Right now Shandon Anderson had a better Knick career. Please please please stop. Guy had 8 games he didnt score last year. 37 games he scored 5 points or less.

I would love Shump to blossom into a star. His career path so far as been closer to getting China bound. He will get the chance to have a breakout year it seems. Lets see how that plays out first? Please?

"winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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10/24/2014  9:35 AM
Well "needed" versus "valuable" is a bit different.

Jose is the most "needed" because minus the Jeremy Lin miracle, chitty PG play has screwed the team big time... last year if you had a decent PG, it was like an auto win for the opponent

THJ is the most "valuable" in the sense that I think he has the most value on the trade market

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10/24/2014  9:37 AM
fishmike wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:ah easy one

Shumpert - best 2-way multi-dimensional player we drafted since Ewing

Then:
Calderon
Dalembert
Acy
THJ
Jason

Ill give you $20 if you never mention Shump and Ewing in the same post again. At least until Shump is doing anything. Right now Shandon Anderson had a better Knick career. Please please please stop. Guy had 8 games he didnt score last year. 37 games he scored 5 points or less.

I would love Shump to blossom into a star. His career path so far as been closer to getting China bound. He will get the chance to have a breakout year it seems. Lets see how that plays out first? Please?

I own a Shump jersey... I love his game... I would love for him to be the next Bruce Bowen but James Posey is probably his ceiling. That would be a HR for the Knicks. But people talk about him like he is going to figure the point out and become the next Gary Payton

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gunsnewing
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10/24/2014  9:47 AM    LAST EDITED: 10/24/2014  9:49 AM
Not Gary while SHUMP can play some point he is a SG. I always thought poor mans Spree and really poor mans Wade. Spree was our best 2-way multi-dimensional player since Ewing. Shump is the best 2-way multi-dimensional drafted since Ewing. Sorry Fish don't need the 20
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10/24/2014  10:20 AM
I'm going to give a slight edge to Calderon over Amare. If Calderon has a good season I believe that rest of the team will follow in having a good year too. So much is predicated on point guard play.
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10/24/2014  10:41 AM    LAST EDITED: 10/24/2014  10:42 AM
I would go with Amare or calderone, but in all honesty, after melo the next 8 players are pretty much the same as far as what they bring to the table.

In 2k the ratings for our roster after melo are pretty much in the mid 70's, and thats from 2 to 15..which is why there's no clear cut starter after melo and perhaps calderone.

ES
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10/24/2014  10:58 AM
gunsnewing wrote:Not Gary while SHUMP can play some point he is a SG. I always thought poor mans Spree and really poor mans Wade. Spree was our best 2-way multi-dimensional player since Ewing. Shump is the best 2-way multi-dimensional drafted since Ewing. Sorry Fish don't need the 20
Spree walked into the NBA scoring 15-20ppg and getting after it on defense. 5 years in he was 3x all star.

You like Shump. I get it. Right now if your not a Knick fan hopelessly emotionally attached to this guy you know what you will see? An above average defender at a scoring position who cant score at all. No go to move, a putrid career FG% of 39% and has not put together one year where he can stay on the court.

He's not even half the player on either side of the ball that Wilson Chandler was at the same point in their career.

Headscratching the expectations for guys who have showed so little in their career around here.

"winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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10/24/2014  11:07 AM    LAST EDITED: 10/24/2014  11:22 AM
How he is used and his role plays a big part. He had no role in the offense now he will. Woodson's stand in the corner and watch MELO and JR is not a role
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