Phil has tons of work to do

Baby Steps is where we're at

We won't sniff 50 wins though

Not that this is a bad thing

To think and-or expect this is-was very unrealistic

And out of touch with reality

We're probably a 33-37win team at best

With some modest flexibility on the horizon

We'll have to maximize everything to it's fullest benefit

The pace all game was the Bucks, Kidd did alot of praise for Fisher then told his team to attack, run and launch threes on this garbage ass team.

You gotta be out of your mind to think this is a good team. They will form a mutiny before all star break playing like this.

knickscity wrote:

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I said starting Amare would be interesting....

Come on, Amare was not the culprit out there. Our perimeter defense scks. Quincy mad dog I cant hit a 12 footer to save my life is no lock down defender either is Shumpert and Larkin is an absolute disaster area. Amare was 1 of 2 + players tonight.

BRIGGS wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

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I said starting Amare would be interesting....

Come on, Amare was not the culprit out there. Our perimeter defense scks. Quincy mad dog I cant hit a 12 footer to save my life is no lock down defender either is Shumpert and Larkin is an absolute disaster area. Amare was 1 of 2 + players tonight.

You know he's historically bad

In the plus minus category right

I understand trying to defend him

But come on, did Amar'e set a defensive tone?

No he just avoided being bad, which means

He wasn't really a solution

Kind of like the Bargnani dichotomy

TripleThreat wrote:

nixluva wrote:I know it's hard to see it right now but this isn't really how you should judge the team. These Preseason games aren't the end of the story.

I can give you the end of the story. I've been saying it for weeks/months now.

By the end of the season, teams like Philly and Boston, fearing the immediate impact of the clear cut draft lottery reform that is coming, are going to literally be giving away games. This is going to give the Knicks just enough juice to push their next first round pick out of the range of the few select impact guys sitting at the top of each draft. If you are picking 1 or 2 or 3, then great. If you are picking 9 or 10, then not so much. The year after that, comes the Bargnani Tax, where the Knicks have ZERO picks thanks to getting Andrea on the roster.

This team is on the treadmill of death. Just good enough to be a fringe 8th seed, but likely just a bit less even with freebie wins at the end of the season ( tanking teams, playoff teams resting their veteran cores) But not strong enough to contend. But never bad enough to get true help at the top of the draft. And IF there is widespread use of non guaranteed contracts and a hard cap in the next labor war, while other franchises have young guns like Rob Hennigan or Sam Hinkie or Rick Cho, the Knicks will have an aging exec in Zen Master who will still have limited GM experience and will have nowhere near the background these guys did coming up the ranks as analytics guys and assistant GMs and such.

The best long term move was to get a no name assistant GM from a contender, someone who paid their dues in blood and worked tehir way up the ranks, young and hungry, trade Melo, trade Chandler and tank, taking advantage of the back end of the current system before it changes.

Zen Master is a salty old war dog, won't take anything away from his 11 rings, but you see it in the NFL and in MLB and now in the NBA, you get young bright minds in the front office, new age personnel men for a new type of franchise build. What was the saying? New Jack Cops for a New Jack City.

I understand the lottery and draft picks are a crap shoot, but it was the only true long term alternative that didn't sink the Knicks for the next three years. This current regime will get the team incrementally better to mildly better, but the math and time don't add up. It's just prolonging the rebuild this team needs.

Someone should have told Dolan a long long time ago to sit his five dollar ass down before someone makes change.

The Zen Master move is a better move, but IMHO it's not the "right" move.

I love the Knicks, truly love them, but this current status is prolonging the inevitable.

And don't leave out Melo who is all about winning. He took the most money with the Knicks because this was his best shot at getting a ring after all. And he was good on his word and left a whopping $5M on the table which will net us another big time player.

Fast forward one year and Melo will sound like a robot talking about playing the game right and building a new culture. Well, Melo has always sounded like a robot. There isn't much going on upstairs there. He just shoot good.

That's the Knicks lot now. They have their one offensive stud and lots of leftover stuffing. Bless you Fish. You ain't sleeping much this year.

BRIGGS wrote:

knickscity wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/IanBegley/status/524353289882959872

I said starting Amare would be interesting....

Come on, Amare was not the culprit out there. Our perimeter defense scks. Quincy mad dog I cant hit a 12 footer to save my life is no lock down defender either is Shumpert and Larkin is an absolute disaster area. Amare was 1 of 2 + players tonight.

The first quarter sets the tone, they gave up 32 points and they were NOT all threes. bringing up +/- minus is boxscore talk. Amare was individually good...the Knicks were trading baskets at best with him out there. There was no tone set. Starting Amare set the precedent of not defending....and thats exactly what happened.

Team defense was bad all night--I wont single one guy out.

Sit Quincy Acy and Shane Larkin. Quincy if you're going to be a mad dog you actually need to pull down more than 4 rebounds and hit a 12 footer. Larkin---save that money brother.

BRIGGS wrote:

knickscity wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/IanBegley/status/524353289882959872

I said starting Amare would be interesting....

Come on, Amare was not the culprit out there. Our perimeter defense scks. Quincy mad dog I cant hit a 12 footer to save my life is no lock down defender either is Shumpert and Larkin is an absolute disaster area. Amare was 1 of 2 + players tonight.

The first quarter sets the tone, they gave up 32 points and they were NOT all threes. bringing up +/- minus is boxscore talk. Amare was individually good...the Knicks were trading baskets at best with him out there. There was no tone set. Starting Amare set the precedent of not defending....and thats exactly what happened.

Team defense was bad all night--I wont single one guy out.

Sit Quincy Acy and Shane Larkin. Quincy if you're going to be a mad dog you actually need to pull down more than 4 rebounds and hit a 12 footer. Larkin---save that money brother.

knickscity wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

knickscity wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/IanBegley/status/524353289882959872

I said starting Amare would be interesting....

Come on, Amare was not the culprit out there. Our perimeter defense scks. Quincy mad dog I cant hit a 12 footer to save my life is no lock down defender either is Shumpert and Larkin is an absolute disaster area. Amare was 1 of 2 + players tonight.

The first quarter sets the tone, they gave up 32 points and they were NOT all threes. bringing up +/- minus is boxscore talk. Amare was individually good...the Knicks were trading baskets at best with him out there. There was no tone set. Starting Amare set the precedent of not defending....and thats exactly what happened.

Team defense was bad all night--I wont single one guy out.

Sit Quincy Acy and Shane Larkin. Quincy if you're going to be a mad dog you actually need to pull down more than 4 rebounds and hit a 12 footer. Larkin---save that money brother.

this. The guaranteed minutes Acy and Larkin are getting despite limited production is frustrating. Not sure the upside Phil/Fish are looking for is there.

Larkin played because calderon got injured and Pablo is just plain old, but Larkin doesnt belong in this type of offense. Acy has been the only consistent forward in the role they have....no one else has even contributed positively in the forward role....and that includes Melo.

It's gonna be a long season if the blame game is centered around min wage reserves.