Splat wrote:PnR is part of every team's repertoire no doubt. To suggest they will not use it because of the triangle is wrong IMO. Fish or Phil may say stuff like "we don't really emphasize PnR or need it", blah blah, but you know it will be a perfect thing to do at different moments, particularly when other teams don't see us use as much as others. It adds another element of surprise.

Did you not praise the moves to trade for

1- AB
2- Keeping Pablo
3- signing MWP

BTW, for 2-3, it cost us the mini MLE

You thought and continue to think you know more than EVERYONE ELSE here

At the time posting multiple videos/defending AB, showing videos of him from 2010 and before, using stats from prior to 2010 season and his best year/years while blocking out all of his horrible years

4- despite trading our 2016 1st round pick, and 2 2nd rounders for him, you actually thought he was a steal
From the START, you said you though AB is a perfect stretch 4 in this system, when you mentioned lineups and rotations, you always had him at PF, usually either with Chandler or with STAT, and with CA at the 3, NEVER had AB at Center

Often with lineups like

Felton
Iman/JR
CA
AB
Chandler

guess which was our WORST lineup last season

or

Pablo/Felton
SG
CA
AB
STAT

really? how many poor defenders can you put together and expect a postive result?

Back to now

Larkin
STAT

5- Each player plays well in the PnR with the talents to do so
6- Together, they should work together coheisveily, they have shown the ability to actually do well and FIT in a PnR based offense...

Tim Hardway JR
JR SMith

7- Would both JR's be able to spread the floor and play well in uptempo OFFENSE better than a slower pace?

Larkin
Hardaway JR
JR Smith
STAT or AB *i don't think he struggled in the triangle btw, just with injuries/health*
Basically anyone from a PF/C or Center to a Forwards like CA/Outlaw and even Wear if he is brought in, so it depends on the matchup....

8- Which players do you think have struggled? how many of these players have shown they were LOST in the triangle but would do well in a PnR system?

9- Can this lineup be successful in a PnR based OFFENSE?
They are all predictly to come off the bench, so why force something if we are trying to win?
These are guys that have telent and FIT together with their skill set

You often think you know more than others here, well I am here to point out some of your opinions as you continue to do so on UK
You yourself have said Larkin shouldn't be compared to players that are playing in a PnR based OFFENSE and the system itself takes away the traditional skills/abilities of PG's
Larkin has speed/quickness/ability to penetrate/shoot/and can facilitate, he would fit in perfect with STAT and allow both Tim Hardaway JR/JR Smith and the team to be able to catch and shoot, while they both tend to take poor % shots, having the ball in Larkin's hands prevents that
So the system takes away from Larkin's ability and STAT's, while JR Smith has stuggled in the system, still heaving poor shots....

I am adding on to the same exact points that you have made, so I know nothing about the system and you know more....

knickscity wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Splat wrote:

nixluva wrote:
It's very disappointing but it's also still early and there's no reason to push things. I'd say the same about anyone on this team at this point. Bargs looked good and so far only STAT and JR have looked way out of it. It's not a high pressure situation at this point. Bargs can be brought along slowly and it won't impact things negatively this year cuz of Phil stocking the roster with more talent. For those who poo poo'd the work Phil did it's clear he did a pretty good job of tweaking the roster and making it better IMO. With so much risk of injury it was important that Phil got as much help as he could on this bench.

Meh! Pressey is in a different situation. I'm pretty sure Larkin would look more comfortable in a PnR based O which is his strong suit coming out of college. This system is totally different for him. In a PnR set he would be more aggressive since that is the nature of how a PG is expected to run a PnR play. Now he has to hold back his aggression, pass off and wait, read and react which is a totally different role.

The fact that Larkin's bread and butter is the pick & roll makes me less inclined to keep him. Why try to fit a circle into a square hole? Portland should have interest in him and I think CJ McCullom is a much better fit for us.

You're talking like you know Bynum will be able to pick up the Triangle better than Larkin. You really don't know that for sure. Bynum isn't a cerebral player. He's uses his physical talent more than his mental game to beat opponents. He's not a floor general at all. I don't know that he's the Triangle guard Prototype either. Mostly you want guys that are strong shooters and Bynum isn't really that.

I agree. The pickups made now largely negate the chaos of assembling a rotation. If Bargs is just a passionless sofa fart or if Amare can't add 1+1, we can deal with it now. Our frontline this season in no way depends upon either of them and that is a good thing. This is just another example of Phil transitioning the club into his image one step at a time.

+1 Million. But then i'm just a shill for the Knicks so nothing I say is valid...

RonRon wrote:My last post regarding this Nix....

Did you not praise the moves to trade for

1- AB
2- Keeping Pablo
3- signing MWP

BTW, for 2-3, it cost us the mini MLE

You thought and continue to think you know more than EVERYONE ELSE here

At the time posting multiple videos/defending AB, showing videos of him from 2010 and before, using stats from prior to 2010 season and his best year/years while blocking out all of his horrible years

4- despite trading our 2016 1st round pick, and 2 2nd rounders for him, you actually thought he was a steal
From the START, you said you though AB is a perfect stretch 4 in this system, when you mentioned lineups and rotations, you always had him at PF, usually either with Chandler or with STAT, and with CA at the 3, NEVER had AB at Center

Often with lineups like

Felton
Iman/JR
CA
AB
Chandler

guess which was our WORST lineup last season

or

Pablo/Felton
SG
CA
AB
STAT

really? how many poor defenders can you put together and expect a postive result?

My MAIN point about Bargs was that he was a very good PnP big and that he should be used that way. You can go and research my comments about that. I did expect that he'd be used at PF. But just to be clear, Bargs only played as a C on defense and not on offense. On offense Bargs still played more of a midrange to perimeter PF role and not a deep post like a C. I said he was good Man defender but a poor help defender. The issue we had was that I felt Woodson as not using Bargs to his best ability. Yes it turned out that Bargs was also very useful at C for us when Tyson was out. To go on and on about Bargs last year is hard since he only played half a season.

RonRon wrote:Back to now

Larkin
STAT

5- Each player plays well in the PnR with the talents to do so
6- Together, they should work together coheisveily, they have shown the ability to actually do well and FIT in a PnR based offense...

Tim Hardway JR
JR SMith

7- Would both JR's be able to spread the floor and play well in uptempo OFFENSE better than a slower pace?

Larkin
Hardaway JR
JR Smith
STAT or AB *i don't think he struggled in the triangle btw, just with injuries/health*
Basically anyone from a PF/C or Center to a Forwards like CA/Outlaw and even Wear if he is brought in, so it depends on the matchup....

8- Which players do you think have struggled? how many of these players have shown they were LOST in the triangle but would do well in a PnR system?

9- Can this lineup be successful in a PnR based OFFENSE?
They are all predictly to come off the bench, so why force something if we are trying to win?
These are guys that have telent and FIT together with their skill set

You often think you know more than others here, well I am here to point out some of your opinions as you continue to do so on UK You yourself have said Larkin shouldn't be compared to players that are playing in a PnR based OFFENSE and the system itself takes away the traditional skills/abilities of PG's
Larkin has speed/quickness/ability to penetrate/shoot/and can facilitate, he would fit in perfect with STAT and allow both Tim Hardaway JR/JR Smith and the team to be able to catch and shoot, while they both tend to take poor % shots, having the ball in Larkin's hands prevents that So the system takes away from Larkin's ability and STAT's, while JR Smith has stuggled in the system, still heaving poor shots....

I am adding on to the same exact points that you have made, so I know nothing about the system and you know more....

5 and 6 - Yes Larkin and STAT are PnR players and have been so successfully. That doesn't mean they shouldn't try to learn how to play in the triangle effectively. As stated before PnR is also an option in the Triangle and it will be used. It's just not the primary focus of the offense.

7 - Yes THJ, Larkin and JR can get out and run. Fish actually likes for his 2nd unit to be able to change the pace. The Triangle doesn't mean you can't run and get early offense. In fact that is part of the offense too. This isn't the part these players would have trouble with so Fish having them slow down and run the sets is the focus of preseason. You can't always run so you'd better have the half court stuff down.

8 and 9 - It's really makes no sense to go on about a PnR offense when that is already part of the Triangle Offense. Running when it's there and getting a PnR are all part of the offense already. Against the better teams it's going to be most important to effectively be able to run the half court sets. That's really the main reason they're working on it so much in preseason. Running and using PnR is the easy part.

Bargs and Amare both need to be shipped for whatever. Keep it real, they are expiring contacts and neither are in the furore plans. Both can still contribute, but they really should take a hike.

Rondo is dangling and so is kobe in my opinion. If gladly dump both off for them or similar players

gunsnewing wrote:Keep in mind jason smith is very injury prone. I wouldn't start him. I would go with Acy and let them build cobsession instead of shuffling guys in and out of the lineup ala Woodson

In fisher we trust