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F500ONE
Posts: 23899 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 6/28/2014 Member: #5844 |
9/30/2014 6:35 PM LAST EDITED: 10/1/2014 11:54 AM
I like this, Fisher better hold players accountable
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gunsnewing
Posts: 55076 Alba Posts: 5 Joined: 2/24/2002 Member: #215 USA |
9/30/2014 7:04 PM
I love when guys like amare and Bargnani talk about playing defense
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knickscity
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9/30/2014 8:14 PM LAST EDITED: 9/30/2014 8:16 PM
knicks1248 wrote:I'm not a huge fan of the "Defense wins championship" theory, to me it's completely overrated, Give me a middle of the pack defense, and top 3 offense..I always thought that in the Ewing Era we never had enough offense, and defense can only get you so far because at that the end of the day, the main object is to score.Not sure where this delusion has come from, plenty of top scorers have been stopped. Melo has been stopped his entire career so far. Kobe and Jordan have been stopped every year they didnt have Phil...hell Kobe has lost an NBA finals twice WITH Phil, once to a team with far less talent, but far better DEFENSE. bottom line you wont win anything if you can defend at a high level. You need offense as well, but eltie defense is normally mandatory. Dont let facts stand in the way of opinion though, nothing wrong with rooting for the exception.... Over the past 25 years, there were a total of six times that a team with a non top-10 defense made the NBA Finals. To get even more specific, there have only been two teams—the ’98 Jazz and ’01 Lakers—that made the Finals despite having a defense in the bottom half of the League. Although the Jazz lost to the Bulls in their series, somehow the ’01 Lakers ramped up their defense in the Finals to take their series 4-1. http://www.slamonline.com/nba/does-defense-win-championships/ here's another for emphasis.... Entering the 2014 Finals, the 2000-01 Lakers were the last team to win a championship after ranking outside the top 10 in defensive efficiency in the regular season. Out of the top 10 is not where you want to be. Over the last 37 years (since the NBA started tracking turnovers in 1977-78), only three teams have won a championship after ranking outside the top 10 in defensive efficiency in the regular season. Twice as many champs have ranked outside the top 10 in offensive efficiency. http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2014/06/16/spurs-and-heat-help-prove-that-defense-wins-championships/ |
knicks1248
Posts: 42059 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 2/3/2004 Member: #582 |
9/30/2014 8:48 PM LAST EDITED: 9/30/2014 8:51 PM
knickscity wrote:knicks1248 wrote:I'm not a huge fan of the "Defense wins championship" theory, to me it's completely overrated, Give me a middle of the pack defense, and top 3 offense..I always thought that in the Ewing Era we never had enough offense, and defense can only get you so far because at that the end of the day, the main object is to score.Not sure where this delusion has come from, plenty of top scorers have been stopped. Melo has been stopped his entire career so far. Kobe and Jordan have been stopped every year they didnt have Phil...hell Kobe has lost an NBA finals twice WITH Phil, once to a team with far less talent, but far better DEFENSE. bottom line you wont win anything if you can defend at a high level. Based on statistical analyses, the four most important keys for team success in basketball and their relative weights, in parentheses, are: If your team scores an avg of a 110 ppg shooting 50% (usually a top 3 offense in the NBA) and it's opponents avg 105 ppg shooting 49% (usually a middle to poor defensive team) who wins the game. ES
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knickscity
Posts: 24533 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 6/2/2012 Member: #4241 USA |
10/1/2014 4:57 AM
knicks1248 wrote:knickscity wrote:knicks1248 wrote:I'm not a huge fan of the "Defense wins championship" theory, to me it's completely overrated, Give me a middle of the pack defense, and top 3 offense..I always thought that in the Ewing Era we never had enough offense, and defense can only get you so far because at that the end of the day, the main object is to score.Not sure where this delusion has come from, plenty of top scorers have been stopped. Melo has been stopped his entire career so far. Kobe and Jordan have been stopped every year they didnt have Phil...hell Kobe has lost an NBA finals twice WITH Phil, once to a team with far less talent, but far better DEFENSE. bottom line you wont win anything if you can defend at a high level. 110 points per game and shooting 50%? Come on guy how many teams have accomplished that feat and won a title in the last 30 years? Even worse if they are giving 105 on 49% shooting they arent playing defense at all....that team wont make it out of the first round. Dantoni would be proud |
dk7th
Posts: 30006 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 5/14/2012 Member: #4228 USA |
10/1/2014 9:10 AM
knickscity wrote:knicks1248 wrote:I'm not a huge fan of the "Defense wins championship" theory, to me it's completely overrated, Give me a middle of the pack defense, and top 3 offense..I always thought that in the Ewing Era we never had enough offense, and defense can only get you so far because at that the end of the day, the main object is to score.Not sure where this delusion has come from, plenty of top scorers have been stopped. Melo has been stopped his entire career so far. Kobe and Jordan have been stopped every year they didnt have Phil...hell Kobe has lost an NBA finals twice WITH Phil, once to a team with far less talent, but far better DEFENSE. bottom line you wont win anything if you can defend at a high level. yeah case closed on that "middle of the pack" stuff... you have to be top ten. knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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knicks1248
Posts: 42059 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 2/3/2004 Member: #582 |
10/1/2014 10:02 AM
dk7th wrote:knickscity wrote:knicks1248 wrote:I'm not a huge fan of the "Defense wins championship" theory, to me it's completely overrated, Give me a middle of the pack defense, and top 3 offense..I always thought that in the Ewing Era we never had enough offense, and defense can only get you so far because at that the end of the day, the main object is to score.Not sure where this delusion has come from, plenty of top scorers have been stopped. Melo has been stopped his entire career so far. Kobe and Jordan have been stopped every year they didnt have Phil...hell Kobe has lost an NBA finals twice WITH Phil, once to a team with far less talent, but far better DEFENSE. bottom line you wont win anything if you can defend at a high level. If you would have read some of the highlighted points in the article I posted, you would agree with me for sure, and here's why. When we won 54 games, we also was tops in the league in THE LEAST AMOUNT OF TURNOVERS, TOPS in FT %, also moved the ball very well, and shot and made a high percentage of 3's, we played a half court, SLOW PACE game, thus controlling the ball for most of the game. We were a middle of the pack (12 to 15th)defensive team all season. Bargiani doesn't have to Mutumbo (a awful offensive player) and STAT doesn't have to be rodman for us to be a solid defensive team. YOU CAN NOT DEFEND A TEAM THAT PASSES THE BALL WELL CONSISTENTLY, YOU JUST CAN'T, IT'S IMPOSSIBLE. the result is the defense gambling going for steals, and majority of the time they'll get beat, (think Iman shumpert)the offensive player gets a open lane, or a late defender fouling him, AND YOU CANT DEFEND Free Throws. ES
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