TripleThreat wrote:nixluva wrote:As I just posted above the Knicks closed the season with STAT starting and the team going 16-6. Phil will want to establish a winning culture not just for our own players but future free agents looking at NY. The team isn't going to just ignore the vets cuz they may not be part of the future and it wont benefit the kids to not play to win as much as possible this year. This should be a playoff team and the vets will have major roles to play. Now that we have better leadership and a real system we can see we can see what we have and what needs to be changed more clearly. A deep rotation will allow the kids a chance to show what they can do.
You're comparing the methodology of the CURRENT World Champion San Antonio Spurs to the CURRENT New York Knicks?
There are many positives about team basketball and discipline that the Knicks can draw from the Spurs, but to emulate their rotations and usage and expect that to translate as simply as you make it onto the Knicks roster is pretty much insane.
Minnesota
Utah
Cleveland
Philly
Boston
Milwaukee
Indiana
Philly
Sacramento
Golden State
Utah
Brooklyn
Toronto
Chicago
Brooklyn
Toronto
Those were the last 16 wins for the Knicks in 2013.
Philly won a whopping 19 games and spent the last two years, and will this year, in pure tank mode. After the deadline, they moved Evan Turner and Spencer Hawes to boot. Their first round pick, Noel, spent the entire year injured.
Utah was a dysfunctional 25 win team in the loaded West.
Cleveland had a nightmare year, their first round pick Bennett had maybe the worst first year of any No 1 overall pick, they made multiple trades that backfired on them and canned their GM and coach. They were a 33 win team where the two best players, a chronically hurt Irving and Waiters could not play together well.
Boston was a 25 win team clearly in tank/rebuilding mode. They spent the offseason before this one trying to offload every asset they could for picks. They spent the entire last season trying to dump the rest of their roster.
Milwaukee won 15 games. In the fairly pathetic East to boot.
Sacramento was another dysfunctional 28 win team.
Indiana was imploding as the season went on, limping into the playoffs from their first half steam. The Danny Granger trade and regression by Hibbert and Stephenson caused massive turmoil on their roster.
The T Wolves were a sub 500 team embroiled in the "Will He/Won't He" Kevin Love saga.
The Nets have/had a crippled old roster that is capped out and taxed out. They are a playoff squad by virtue of the weak Eastern Conference.
You have a collection of near the end of the season wins against bad teams with bad records, some clearly tanking out, and some teams resting their players/setting their rotations for the playoffs and not looking to push 150 percent for a late season win that won't dramatically change their playoff situation.
Toronto and the Bulls were neck and neck for the 3 and 4 seed, do you think they were going to hit afterburners for the right to take on the Hawks instead of the Bobcats?
You are the worst kind of homer, you cherry pick data, ignore the full spectrum of said data, and then essentially use that to somehow justify why Amare Stoudamire is going to be a huge turning point for the Knicks this year. A guy with bad knees, who can't/won't play defense, with an insured contract that no one wants in trade and creates more limitations on the court than he does positives.
The Spurs can handle a big rotation because their 3 core players have played together FOR A DECADE. Even the reserves have played together several years. The Knicks have nowhere near that stability, talent and/or continuity on their roster.
If the Knicks were so hell bent on winning this year and trying to make a deep playoff run, they wouldn't have traded their only legitimate starting center, esp on a team that rates this poor defensively across the board.
You're theory of a deep rotation is insane. Under your guidance, the Knicks would use STAT until he broke down, until that point, his negative defense would put the Knicks in such a hole each game, that the rookies would only be playing in blowouts, on the wrong side of blowouts, chucking up threes trying to make up the difference. Sorry, a end of the season sample against tanking teams, teams with losing records and teams focusing on the playoffs instead of some late regular season win is not indicative of what the Knicks will fact in the entire of 2014.
You cite Zen Master and Fish as some gurus with a major plan and system ( as if any team in modern history took to the Triangle easily, sorry but many teams trying to incorporate it have failed) but insist they embark on a plan that makes no sense to anyone but you.
Can we apply this same logic to a 7 game win streak in February of 2012 when the combined records of those teams was well below .500?