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F500ONE
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8/29/2014 4:25 PM
fitzfarm wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Can't say we will be much better with Calderone alone, but Im confident we will be better. He's a smarter PG than Felton from what I've seen, so he should help raise the collective IQ of this team. Its not going to happen overnight. Be happy if we are good enough to go beyond the first round. This will take time Papbear.
As of last year he's not
Last season, Calderon’s "defensive real plus-minus" was a minus-3.56, which was 72nd among point guards. Defensive real plus-minus measures a player's defensive contributions based on points allowed per 100 defensive possessions. |
Bonn1997
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8/29/2014 5:37 PM
yellowboy90 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:gunsnewing wrote:You mean when they were over .500 in the west with Lowry but had cap space to get someone better than Dragic |
Bonn1997
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8/29/2014 5:39 PM
nixluva wrote:I don't care about stats in this case. What I will say about Felton is that he had Tyson behind him and KMart for a stretch. He himself was absolutely HORRID defensively. I don't give him any credit for being a better defender than Jose. Yeah but Jose had Dalembert! |
F500ONE
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8/29/2014 5:43 PM LAST EDITED: 8/29/2014 5:44 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:nixluva wrote:I don't care about stats in this case. What I will say about Felton is that he had Tyson behind him and KMart for a stretch. He himself was absolutely HORRID defensively. I don't give him any credit for being a better defender than Jose. Might as well play along and add this To cause Nix to fall on his own sword
I could also find Youtube footage of Tyson's horrifc defense last year
Although he's notorious for producing stats in posted code format
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yellowboy90
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8/29/2014 5:46 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:gunsnewing wrote:You mean when they were over .500 in the west with Lowry You're right it left them room to get Harden which made Lin expendable at the cost of a draft pick. Anyway he still wasn't going back to the team over .500 in the west. It was a worse team before the trade. I don't fault Lin for leaving. Go get that money. |
yellowboy90
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8/29/2014 5:50 PM
F500ONE wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:nixluva wrote:I don't care about stats in this case. What I will say about Felton is that he had Tyson behind him and KMart for a stretch. He himself was absolutely HORRID defensively. I don't give him any credit for being a better defender than Jose. Almost everyone does that though when making an argument. |
yellowboy90
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8/29/2014 5:51 PM
F500ONE wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:nixluva wrote:I don't care about stats in this case. What I will say about Felton is that he had Tyson behind him and KMart for a stretch. He himself was absolutely HORRID defensively. I don't give him any credit for being a better defender than Jose. Almost everyone does that though when making an argument. |
F500ONE
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8/29/2014 5:55 PM LAST EDITED: 8/29/2014 5:55 PM
yellowboy90 wrote:F500ONE wrote:Might as well play along and add this I try to make of habit of not doing this I want my arguments to be consistent
I will agree stats don't always tell the full story
No matter who he's playing with
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dk7th
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8/29/2014 6:29 PM
yellowboy90 wrote:F500ONE wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:nixluva wrote:I don't care about stats in this case. What I will say about Felton is that he had Tyson behind him and KMart for a stretch. He himself was absolutely HORRID defensively. I don't give him any credit for being a better defender than Jose. almost is the operative word. intellectually dishonest people, people who want to win an argument, will seek facts to fit their narrative. better to find a narrative that supports the facts. it works for me. knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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CrushAlot
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8/29/2014 6:40 PM
dk7th wrote:Well there is this from last February but it wasn't just out of the 30 starters. The pool of point guards also included 20 back ups.yellowboy90 wrote:F500ONE wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:nixluva wrote:I don't care about stats in this case. What I will say about Felton is that he had Tyson behind him and KMart for a stretch. He himself was absolutely HORRID defensively. I don't give him any credit for being a better defender than Jose. Felton is ranked No. 48 among 50 point guards, according to CBSSports.com. http://theknicksblog.com/knicks/nba-exec-raymond-felton-is-the-worst-starting-point-guard-in-the-nba/ I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18
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dk7th
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8/29/2014 7:03 PM
CrushAlot wrote:dk7th wrote:Well there is this from last February but it wasn't just out of the 30 starters. The pool of point guards also included 20 back ups.yellowboy90 wrote:F500ONE wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:nixluva wrote:I don't care about stats in this case. What I will say about Felton is that he had Tyson behind him and KMart for a stretch. He himself was absolutely HORRID defensively. I don't give him any credit for being a better defender than Jose. obviously the knicks would have been better off retaining lin, then-- the plan was to bring in kidd to mentor lin. but woodson was confoundingly never high on lin and melo being melo.... knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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F500ONE
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8/29/2014 7:32 PM LAST EDITED: 8/29/2014 7:39 PM
dk7th wrote:CrushAlot wrote:dk7th wrote:Well there is this from last February but it wasn't just out of the 30 starters. The pool of point guards also included 20 back ups.yellowboy90 wrote:F500ONE wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:nixluva wrote:I don't care about stats in this case. What I will say about Felton is that he had Tyson behind him and KMart for a stretch. He himself was absolutely HORRID defensively. I don't give him any credit for being a better defender than Jose. Notice CBS provided no real basis for how they ranked the guards They also have players on the list who were backups
Very Dubious ranking, but I think we all agree Felton was bad
Stating Calderon was better defensively over Felton
This is what I'm talking about too, when it comes to using Stats to support the narrative
Tony Parker was ranked 23rd and Brandon Jennings 12th
At jeopardy citing such a heinous reference
LOL @ CBS |