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EnySpree
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8/25/2014  5:49 AM
Realgm just posted an article reporting some gm said he's untradeable. If feel that's a baiting topic for Knicks fans.

Amare for Kobe straight up works. It gets the Lakers out of the deal and Kobe becomes a hired Mamba.

If there is a place Kobe would play for other than the Lakers it would be for the Knicks.

Kobe is a psycho, so I bet the dude has 2 high level seasons under his belt. The knicks have no bigmen, but if Kobe is Kobe then this could be the same old knicks move that gets us a championship.

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8/25/2014  6:06 AM
I wish but doubt they would ever do it. He is like their Derek Jeter.
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8/25/2014  6:19 AM
Just to add, maybe the knicks could get Boozer or Jordan Hill to hitch a ride and send Jr smith, and Larkin out there.
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8/25/2014  6:28 AM
Jordan Hill
Melo
Sam dalembert
Calderón
Kobe

trade shump for wroten....

thjr off the bench with bargnani, Jason smith, wroten, Acy, cleanthony...

Let's go!!!

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8/25/2014  8:02 AM
They let MDA go because Melo would never sign with them and Pau was "Offended". Kobe, who hardly played under him I guess found him childhood idol distasteful. Pau left anyway.

I doubt they would go thu the trouble and expense of that, and bringing in Byron Scott and then do a last minute buh-bye to Kobe......

........and let MDA go while his to favorite creations are now rostered???

Nash and LIN?????

Lakers need to bring in Isiah next. Seems about in line with their thinking these days.

I wonder if Phil even would want to deal with all Kobe brings to the team besides elite talent???
While lakers get out from that contract, is it really one we want on our books?

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8/25/2014  8:08 AM
OK he's a better deal for us....

boozer and Kobe for amare and Jr Smith

Works great for both teams but Byron coached Jr as a rookie.... That didn't exactly go well

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8/25/2014  8:31 AM
EnySpree wrote:OK he's a better deal for us....

boozer and Kobe for amare and Jr Smith

Works great for both teams but Byron coached Jr as a rookie.... That didn't exactly go well

not happening. Although i would love to just dump jr smith contract
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8/25/2014  8:44 AM
StarksEwing1 wrote:
EnySpree wrote:OK he's a better deal for us....

boozer and Kobe for amare and Jr Smith

Works great for both teams but Byron coached Jr as a rookie.... That didn't exactly go well

not happening. Although i would love to just dump jr smith contract

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8/25/2014  9:47 AM
Why would they do this? Send their Hall of Fame player to play for Phil Jackson, who the owner HATES. Send their Hall of Fame player to a team to play with a player in Melo who spurred them? To basically tell their fan base, "Clippers now run this town."

For Amare Stoudamire? Or better yet, TO SAVE MONEY!!?>?!?! They're the Lakers. It is beyond a dead horse.

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8/25/2014  9:55 AM
toodarkmark wrote:Why would they do this? Send their Hall of Fame player to play for Phil Jackson, who the owner HATES. Send their Hall of Fame player to a team to play with a player in Melo who spurred them? To basically tell their fan base, "Clippers now run this town."

For Amare Stoudamire? Or better yet, TO SAVE MONEY!!?>?!?! They're the Lakers. It is beyond a dead horse.

The Lakers fans aren't like that. They have the most championships in western conference history. They understand winning and would wish Kobe well on his nyc adventure.

Also Phil is marrying the Lakers boss so you are inaccurate with that.

It's not about them saving money but rebuilding the next dynasty. Something our fans know nothing about.

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8/25/2014  9:55 AM
toodarkmark wrote:Why would they do this? Send their Hall of Fame player to play for Phil Jackson, who the owner HATES. Send their Hall of Fame player to a team to play with a player in Melo who spurred them? To basically tell their fan base, "Clippers now run this town."

For Amare Stoudamire? Or better yet, TO SAVE MONEY!!?>?!?! They're the Lakers. It is beyond a dead horse.

The Lakers fans aren't like that. They have the most championships in western conference history. They understand winning and would wish Kobe well on his nyc adventure.

Also Phil is marrying the Lakers boss so you are inaccurate with that.

It's not about them saving money but rebuilding the next dynasty. Something our fans know nothing about.

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8/25/2014  10:18 AM
Lakers fans already know what time it is... They saw Kobe break down twice. So I think they would welcome the idea of a reset. So they can capitalize on free agency this summer. Ownership didn't get Kobe any help this year so they should waive the flag.

This idea starts and ends with Kobe though.....he has a no trade clause. Don't worry, I just sent him a tweet

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8/25/2014  10:31 AM    LAST EDITED: 8/25/2014  10:32 AM
EnySpree wrote:Realgm just posted an article reporting some gm said he's untradeable. If feel that's a baiting topic for Knicks fans.

Amare for Kobe straight up works. It gets the Lakers out of the deal and Kobe becomes a hired Mamba.

If there is a place Kobe would play for other than the Lakers it would be for the Knicks.

Kobe is a psycho, so I bet the dude has 2 high level seasons under his belt. The knicks have no bigmen, but if Kobe is Kobe then this could be the same old knicks move that gets us a championship.

Stay thirsty my friends

Come midseason, I think we'd have a clearer picture as to whether this is possible. If the Lakers are horrible, which is possible, I think we'd have a chance. If we could somehow include non-guaranteed contracts in the deal so that the Lakers absolve themselves of some of Kobe's money, I think it'd be possible.

I don't know what the details are with Samuel Dalembert's and Keith Bogans' contracts but if they remain non guaranteed during the season, that's $9 million the Lakers would be off the hook for. I'd deal Amare to Boston for Bogans' contract, Gerald Wallace and Brandon Bass, then parlay Bargnani's expirer, JR Smith, Dalembert's non-guaranteed contract, Keith Bogans' non-guaranteed contract and Iman Shumpert for Kobe and Steve Nash. The Lakers effectively save a prorated $10 million and we get the last two years of Kobe's stellar (but fading) career.

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8/25/2014  11:58 PM
I thought all along that the card Phil had up his sleeve was Kobe. The Lakers will probably suck next year. They should get some assets and cap space for Kobe.
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8/26/2014  9:42 AM
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EnySpree wrote:Realgm just posted an article reporting some gm said he's untradeable. If feel that's a baiting topic for Knicks fans.

Amare for Kobe straight up works. It gets the Lakers out of the deal and Kobe becomes a hired Mamba.

If there is a place Kobe would play for other than the Lakers it would be for the Knicks.

Kobe is a psycho, so I bet the dude has 2 high level seasons under his belt. The knicks have no bigmen, but if Kobe is Kobe then this could be the same old knicks move that gets us a championship.

Stay thirsty my friends


Reasons why the Lakers would never make this trade

1) Bryant has value to the Lakers in terms of chasing Jabbar's NBA scoring record. No different than the Yankees overpaying to market for Derek Jeter to chase 3000 hits in a Yankees uniform. There is an implied marketing value to that, esp to a team that is set up not to contend nor even sniff the playoffs this year or probably next.

2) Like the Yankees, the Lakers signed a huge local TV deal. Which puts massive pressure on them, like the Yankees and the YES Network, to push out marketable players and something to draw in viewers. Bryant, even in decline, is a known NBA quantity and has a very large international fan base ( I guess many people outside the Western world didn't get blitzed with Kobe's rape saga, thus might still want to root for him)

3) The Lakers have a glut at power forward. They already overpaid Jordan Hill and drafted Julius Randle and won the amnesty bid on Boozer. They would be gutting themselves at wing/SF and adding to an already overstocked position on their roster. The more minutes they take away from Randle, the slower they develop him, in so much as he can be developed.

4) NO ONE IN THE LEAGUE WANTS STAT IN TRADE. Except for the Sixers possibly wanting him for money saving purposes, no team in the league sees him as an asset of any kind unless the Knicks package a pick or a young player to essentially take his expiring. Forget what happened TWO or THREE years ago in trades, right now, the current market exists that if you want to jettison a bad contract, a bad expiring, onto a team with open cap space, they will "rent" that space to you for a pick, picks or a young player or combination of both.

While Bryant has played in the Triangle and Fisher might be the only coach who can tame his worst tendencies since they are clearly friends, I don't see how he helps the Knicks. First, no one knows what kind of player you are getting back. He is old, has a lot of minutes on his tread and suffered a massive injury for his age.

He's also a lazy/non committed defender, has horrible shot selection, won't play team ball and will trash coaches and/or team mates in public.

When Melo takes bad shots, there's a part of me that equates it to ignorance. Selfish through ignorance.

When Kobe takes bad shots, shotjacks, won't play defense or runs a 8-32 shooting night while freezing out his team mates, you can see the open malice. He could be a team player, he just doesn't care to do so.

Something someone once told me when I was young is you can marry a pretty girl just because she is pretty and has a big rack, but if she has no positive/worthwhile internal qualities, then when she gets old, all she is a broken down used up has been nagging whore. Her big tits were the only reason anyone would put up with her rancid POS demeanor for all that time.

That's Kobe Bryant. When he was young, he had so much talent that many people overlooked his horse **** defense, his trashing of his team mates, his disrespect of his coaches, his rape scandal, his infidelity in public, his cursing sessions near the media, his homophobic slurs yelled out during games. Now with his talent eroded, and aging and coming back from major injury, that's all Kobe Bryant is now, just a broken down nagging POS whore. His "big tits" are sagging and shriveled up now. Now it's more clear to see his true faults as a player.

While Early and THJ and Larkin might not pan out, do you really want a POS shot jacking rapist like Kobe near the Knicks young players?

How can you try to convince Melo to actually try to play team ball when Kobe would be a black hole on offense, you'd pass the ball to him and never see it again.

The easiest way to smell like garbage is to stand next to trash. No thanks, I don't want Bryant as a Knick. Though watching Jack Nicholson freak out over STAT's stupid array of hats would have some comedic value.

Wow bashing Kobe? the last time I looked he has 5 rings and has been to the finals 7 times. He only had one losing season w the Lakers when healthy and when he was they had a winning % above 65% on average. Kobe's last healthy year he was still better than Carmelo's best year ever at any age. The guy was loyal was a hard worker and a big big time winner in this league.

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8/26/2014  10:02 AM
I thought a few years ago when Kobes wife bought a place in NYC that he'd want to move east.
At the time, Nets were enroute to BKN and it seemed like a good starphuch business move.

Nothing ever came of any rumor and of course his injuries would have been a disaster.

Kobe is there to sell tickets now and chase a few milestones. Im sure his rhetoric will spew the usual "Winning and all out" words as he does every year but
the dude has to know the reality of the situation and is either ok with playing it out or will be a disruption. The future is about Randle and whomever they can sign next year, or the year after.

Fans can play the "KD is coming" starphuch card as we have been so familiar with over the years. From a cultural standpoint I still can't figure out why they could not bring in Phil and let him and Kupchek retool the team with the "Cultural Revoluton" as we have done in NYC? Same thing, clean the coaching house and bring in Kerr or Fish with all the trimmings of Rambis, Cleamonns and even Luke Walton.
They might have been able to keep Pau, or sign Melo. Instead they have Byron Scott who in my book is a retread average coach with little distinction other than being Jason Kidds assistant in New Jersey!

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8/26/2014  10:17 AM
I really think we are better off going after Gasol, Millsap, Monroe etc than sacrificing the cap space and assets for Kobe. We have no idea what he has left and if he will stay healthy.
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8/26/2014  10:29 AM    LAST EDITED: 8/26/2014  10:47 AM
Called this months ago when Phil got here and considering Amares expiring. Lakers gave Kobe his money as a thanks knowing that they can trade him to a desperate contender. I think there's at least a 50/50 chance
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8/26/2014  10:34 AM
Knixkik wrote:I really think we are better off going after Gasol, Millsap, Monroe etc than sacrificing the cap space and assets for Kobe. We have no idea what he has left and if he will stay healthy.

I agree to an extent.

This idea is a mid season type of thing. If Kobe is kobe where he's still big dropping numbers and if the Lakers suck...That's the only way this goes down.

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8/26/2014  10:38 AM
gunsnewing wrote:Called this months ago when Phil got here. Lakers gave Kobe his money as a thanks knowing that they can trade him to a desperate contender. I think there's at least a 50/50 chance

You called what? A 50-50 chance? What contender has the kind of cap left to obsorb that? If Knicks are contending this year and Stat is not part of it, then perhaps.
But how many contending teams have 24mill tied in cap and a player NOT contributiong to that "contendership"?

Would Kobe really want to ride the coat tails at the trading deadline next season in his last two months of his Laker career to have a shot? And still they'd have to fit that monster contract in!

Perhaps Kobe after his Laker deal runs out plays one more season but he talked about playing in Italy (he still owns part of team there?) years ago. In my view his laker extension was a "thank you" and also a confirmation he will retire a Laker.

Of course, 50-50 chance I am wrong?

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