dk7th wrote:

mreinman wrote:

dk7th wrote:

raven wrote:

dk7th wrote:

raven wrote:So much smart, science and dedication to make the game we love what it is today.

http://grantland.com/features/kyle-korver-nba-atlanta-hawks/

let me guess... it praises what a valuable advanced stat weapon he is because he shoots the three at such a high percentage, like above 44%?

No, this would be stating the obvious.
What I loved was the notion of gravity / distraction score. That really amazed me, and I'd dare to say this is the future of our sport.

And if we wanted to loop back to Melo, I would be curious to know how he fares. Although some of you know I'm not crazy about his game, the guy is double team magnet and I'm pretty sure his gravity score would be pretty high.

yes the players are bigger and the court is summarily smaller so stretching the floor is becoming a skill or a consequence of a skill which is a very high 3pt%. i think even 40% from 3 is not necessarily going to warrant close off-the-ball guarding and ball denial. but once you get up around 44% from 3 then you have a real problem on your hands.

RKPLAYER		GP	PPG	3PM	3PA	3PM	3PA	3P%	2PM	2PA	2P%	PPS	FG%
1	Korver, ATL	71	12.0	2.6	6	185	392	.472	104	217	.479	1.40	.626
2	Prigioni, NY	66	3.8	1.0	2	65	140	.464	23	51	.451	1.32	.631
3	Miller,	MEM	82	7.1	1.3	3	107	233	.459	106	210	.505	1.31	.602
4	Morrow	NO	76	8.4	1.2	3	88	195	.451	150	325	.462	1.22	.542
5	Calderon DAL	81	11.4	2.4	5	191	425	.449	150	323	.464	1.24	.584
6	Farmar	LAL	41	10.1	1.7	4	70	160	.438	81	204	.397	1.14	.511
7	Belinelli SA	80	11.4	1.6	4	126	293	.430	211	402	.525	1.31	.576
8	Afflalo 	73	18.2	1.8	4	128	300	.427	336	711	.473	1.32	.522
9	Mills, SA	81	10.2	1.7	4	135	318	.425	174	348	.500	1.24	.565
10	Curry GS	78	24.0	3.3	8	261	615	.424	391	768	.509	1.35	.566

So 44% is the number?

that's what i am looking at when it comes to specialists, yes.

if they also have a good usg:ast ratio that is a big plus.

Korver is more than a specialist though. DK if you haven't read the article id def recommend checking it out. It really is a great read. As are all of Lowes pieces for grantland.

dk7th wrote:

mreinman wrote:

dk7th wrote:

raven wrote:

dk7th wrote:

raven wrote:So much smart, science and dedication to make the game we love what it is today.

http://grantland.com/features/kyle-korver-nba-atlanta-hawks/

let me guess... it praises what a valuable advanced stat weapon he is because he shoots the three at such a high percentage, like above 44%?

No, this would be stating the obvious.
What I loved was the notion of gravity / distraction score. That really amazed me, and I'd dare to say this is the future of our sport.

And if we wanted to loop back to Melo, I would be curious to know how he fares. Although some of you know I'm not crazy about his game, the guy is double team magnet and I'm pretty sure his gravity score would be pretty high.

yes the players are bigger and the court is summarily smaller so stretching the floor is becoming a skill or a consequence of a skill which is a very high 3pt%. i think even 40% from 3 is not necessarily going to warrant close off-the-ball guarding and ball denial. but once you get up around 44% from 3 then you have a real problem on your hands.

RKPLAYER		GP	PPG	3PM	3PA	3PM	3PA	3P%	2PM	2PA	2P%	PPS	FG%
1	Korver, ATL	71	12.0	2.6	6	185	392	.472	104	217	.479	1.40	.626
2	Prigioni, NY	66	3.8	1.0	2	65	140	.464	23	51	.451	1.32	.631
3	Miller,	MEM	82	7.1	1.3	3	107	233	.459	106	210	.505	1.31	.602
4	Morrow	NO	76	8.4	1.2	3	88	195	.451	150	325	.462	1.22	.542
5	Calderon DAL	81	11.4	2.4	5	191	425	.449	150	323	.464	1.24	.584
6	Farmar	LAL	41	10.1	1.7	4	70	160	.438	81	204	.397	1.14	.511
7	Belinelli SA	80	11.4	1.6	4	126	293	.430	211	402	.525	1.31	.576
8	Afflalo 	73	18.2	1.8	4	128	300	.427	336	711	.473	1.32	.522
9	Mills, SA	81	10.2	1.7	4	135	318	.425	174	348	.500	1.24	.565
10	Curry GS	78	24.0	3.3	8	261	615	.424	391	768	.509	1.35	.566

So 44% is the number?

that's what i am looking at when it comes to specialists, yes.

if they also have a good usg:ast ratio that is a big plus.

so a guy needs to have > 65% eFg to be a specialist? What are you basing your statement on?

dk7th wrote:

raven wrote:So much smart, science and dedication to make the game we love what it is today.

http://grantland.com/features/kyle-korver-nba-atlanta-hawks/

let me guess... it praises what a valuable advanced stat weapon he is because he shoots the three at such a high percentage, like above 44%?

last year he shot 47% from the field and 47% from three.. absolutely efficient and incredible... I was front row at many hawks games this past year and I can tell you, not many work harder off the ball than he does.. he moves so quick without the ball and can stop after running full speed, catch, set and hit.. amazing..

mreinman wrote:

dk7th wrote:

mreinman wrote:

dk7th wrote:

raven wrote:

dk7th wrote:

raven wrote:So much smart, science and dedication to make the game we love what it is today.

http://grantland.com/features/kyle-korver-nba-atlanta-hawks/

let me guess... it praises what a valuable advanced stat weapon he is because he shoots the three at such a high percentage, like above 44%?

No, this would be stating the obvious.
What I loved was the notion of gravity / distraction score. That really amazed me, and I'd dare to say this is the future of our sport.

And if we wanted to loop back to Melo, I would be curious to know how he fares. Although some of you know I'm not crazy about his game, the guy is double team magnet and I'm pretty sure his gravity score would be pretty high.

yes the players are bigger and the court is summarily smaller so stretching the floor is becoming a skill or a consequence of a skill which is a very high 3pt%. i think even 40% from 3 is not necessarily going to warrant close off-the-ball guarding and ball denial. but once you get up around 44% from 3 then you have a real problem on your hands.

RKPLAYER		GP	PPG	3PM	3PA	3PM	3PA	3P%	2PM	2PA	2P%	PPS	FG%
1	Korver, ATL	71	12.0	2.6	6	185	392	.472	104	217	.479	1.40	.626
2	Prigioni, NY	66	3.8	1.0	2	65	140	.464	23	51	.451	1.32	.631
3	Miller,	MEM	82	7.1	1.3	3	107	233	.459	106	210	.505	1.31	.602
4	Morrow	NO	76	8.4	1.2	3	88	195	.451	150	325	.462	1.22	.542
5	Calderon DAL	81	11.4	2.4	5	191	425	.449	150	323	.464	1.24	.584
6	Farmar	LAL	41	10.1	1.7	4	70	160	.438	81	204	.397	1.14	.511
7	Belinelli SA	80	11.4	1.6	4	126	293	.430	211	402	.525	1.31	.576
8	Afflalo 	73	18.2	1.8	4	128	300	.427	336	711	.473	1.32	.522
9	Mills, SA	81	10.2	1.7	4	135	318	.425	174	348	.500	1.24	.565
10	Curry GS	78	24.0	3.3	8	261	615	.424	391	768	.509	1.35	.566

So 44% is the number?

that's what i am looking at when it comes to specialists, yes.

if they also have a good usg:ast ratio that is a big plus.

so a guy needs to have > 65% eFg to be a specialist? What are you basing your statement on?

i am not looking at eFG% in this example. what point are you trying to make here? and as we are looking at THIS chart i want to call your attention to the PPS column. how is your pattern recognition?

dk7th wrote:

raven wrote:

dk7th wrote:

raven wrote:So much smart, science and dedication to make the game we love what it is today.

http://grantland.com/features/kyle-korver-nba-atlanta-hawks/

let me guess... it praises what a valuable advanced stat weapon he is because he shoots the three at such a high percentage, like above 44%?

No, this would be stating the obvious.
What I loved was the notion of gravity / distraction score. That really amazed me, and I'd dare to say this is the future of our sport.

And if we wanted to loop back to Melo, I would be curious to know how he fares. Although some of you know I'm not crazy about his game, the guy is double team magnet and I'm pretty sure his gravity score would be pretty high.

yes the players are bigger and the court is summarily smaller so stretching the floor is becoming a skill or a consequence of a skill which is a very high 3pt%. i think even 40% from 3 is not necessarily going to warrant close off-the-ball guarding and ball denial. but once you get up around 44% from 3 then you have a real problem on your hands.

RKPLAYER		GP	PPG	3PM	3PA	3PM	3PA	3P%	2PM	2PA	2P%	PPS	FG%
1	Korver, ATL	71	12.0	2.6	6	185	392	.472	104	217	.479	1.40	.626
2	Prigioni, NY	66	3.8	1.0	2	65	140	.464	23	51	.451	1.32	.631
3	Miller,	MEM	82	7.1	1.3	3	107	233	.459	106	210	.505	1.31	.602
4	Morrow	NO	76	8.4	1.2	3	88	195	.451	150	325	.462	1.22	.542
5	Calderon DAL	81	11.4	2.4	5	191	425	.449	150	323	.464	1.24	.584
6	Farmar	LAL	41	10.1	1.7	4	70	160	.438	81	204	.397	1.14	.511
7	Belinelli SA	80	11.4	1.6	4	126	293	.430	211	402	.525	1.31	.576
8	Afflalo 	73	18.2	1.8	4	128	300	.427	336	711	.473	1.32	.522
9	Mills, SA	81	10.2	1.7	4	135	318	.425	174	348	.500	1.24	.565
10	Curry GS	78	24.0	3.3	8	261	615	.424	391	768	.509	1.35	.566

dk7th wrote:

mreinman wrote:

dk7th wrote:

mreinman wrote:

dk7th wrote:

raven wrote:

dk7th wrote:

raven wrote:So much smart, science and dedication to make the game we love what it is today.

http://grantland.com/features/kyle-korver-nba-atlanta-hawks/

let me guess... it praises what a valuable advanced stat weapon he is because he shoots the three at such a high percentage, like above 44%?

No, this would be stating the obvious.
What I loved was the notion of gravity / distraction score. That really amazed me, and I'd dare to say this is the future of our sport.

And if we wanted to loop back to Melo, I would be curious to know how he fares. Although some of you know I'm not crazy about his game, the guy is double team magnet and I'm pretty sure his gravity score would be pretty high.

yes the players are bigger and the court is summarily smaller so stretching the floor is becoming a skill or a consequence of a skill which is a very high 3pt%. i think even 40% from 3 is not necessarily going to warrant close off-the-ball guarding and ball denial. but once you get up around 44% from 3 then you have a real problem on your hands.

RKPLAYER		GP	PPG	3PM	3PA	3PM	3PA	3P%	2PM	2PA	2P%	PPS	FG%
1	Korver, ATL	71	12.0	2.6	6	185	392	.472	104	217	.479	1.40	.626
2	Prigioni, NY	66	3.8	1.0	2	65	140	.464	23	51	.451	1.32	.631
3	Miller,	MEM	82	7.1	1.3	3	107	233	.459	106	210	.505	1.31	.602
4	Morrow	NO	76	8.4	1.2	3	88	195	.451	150	325	.462	1.22	.542
5	Calderon DAL	81	11.4	2.4	5	191	425	.449	150	323	.464	1.24	.584
6	Farmar	LAL	41	10.1	1.7	4	70	160	.438	81	204	.397	1.14	.511
7	Belinelli SA	80	11.4	1.6	4	126	293	.430	211	402	.525	1.31	.576
8	Afflalo 	73	18.2	1.8	4	128	300	.427	336	711	.473	1.32	.522
9	Mills, SA	81	10.2	1.7	4	135	318	.425	174	348	.500	1.24	.565
10	Curry GS	78	24.0	3.3	8	261	615	.424	391	768	.509	1.35	.566

So 44% is the number?

that's what i am looking at when it comes to specialists, yes.

if they also have a good usg:ast ratio that is a big plus.

so a guy needs to have > 65% eFg to be a specialist? What are you basing your statement on?

i am not looking at eFG% in this example. what point are you trying to make here? and as we are looking at THIS chart i want to call your attention to the PPS column. how is your pattern recognition?

You understand how 3 point %'s tie to efg, correct? And you are "looking for" a 44% clip to be labeled a specialist, correct? See a pattern?

CrushAlot wrote:A big part of the article is about how Korver started out as a specialist but evolved and is a lot more than that. The point was made that it was very rare for players to continue to evolve 11 years into their career. My advice, read the article and watch the games.

yeah - its funny how many comments are on here and some people still wont read the article . ver ver strange.

yellowboy90 wrote:

mreinman wrote:Great article!!

This guy shot 58% on threes that he was stationary (not moving at least 6 feet right before the shot). That beyond incredible.

And Lowry was at 53% which is crazy too.

And for the Melo haters / lovers:

“gravity score,” measures how often defenders are really guarding a particular player away from the ball. Korver had the fourth-highest score, behind only Kevin Durant, Carmelo Anthony, and Paul George."

I'm sorry all I notice is Durant and George. I wonder where L.James and Harden rank.

Yet another meaningless statistic is unveiled and exposed by the simple inclusion of a particularly evil DOUCHEBAG.

Gravity.
It probably has to do with how much more fat Melo actually is.