knickscity wrote:nixluva wrote:knickscity wrote:Having that many players looking to eat actually can hurt a team as they would more likely go against the grain to show how valuable THEY are vs the team.Meshing is hardly a guarantee, it could implode if the players think like you do.
But this less usage and less minutes thing is senseless at best.
Kobe AND Shaq here highly used and played minutes galores as did Jordan and Pippen.
Nobody on our team is on the level of either of these to provide "breaks" from play time.
melo might need to be ready to play 40 minutes a game.
Now you're just being difficult. You think you have a legit point but you're missing the big picture and highly doubting the skills of Phil Jackson. It just doesn't seem necessary to have Melo burn himself out. Now it's possible if Melo is finding it really easy to score and he's not having to exert himself too much. Last year Melo had to do too much IMO. No one was scoring!!! It's not just about how many minutes your on the floor, which was what I was getting at with the Usage Rate comment. If Melo learns how to use the system to the benefit of not just himself but his teammates he'll save energy even if he plays 40 minutes. It's about scoring easy and sharing the load. TEAM BALL!!! More Olympic Melo than ISO Melo.Phil is the one who said:
"He's had to carry a big load. It's been a tough year for him. But it's been a tough year for everyone. It's not just isolated with him. But I think he feels the weight of it a lot more on himself.""When Carmelo had to carry the load in scoring, a lot of times on his own back, and other people weren't stepping into helping him carry that load..."
“If we’re still going to sit and rely on Carmelo to do everything and put that load on him, that’s not going to happen,” Jackson said of the Knicks’ chances at immediate success. “Sometimes it means buying into the system and giving yourself into a process.”
That system is, of course, the triangle offense, something the Knicks have even been running during their first couple games at Las Vegas Summer League. It’s practice for Derek Fisher and the coaching staff, and a rehearsal for the players, many of whom will be on the roster once the regular season begins. For the first time in his career, Anthony will adjust to playing within the triangle.
“One of the things about the offensive system is you can’t try to score every time you catch the ball,” Jackson says about Anthony’s ball-dominant culture. “You have to participate and you also have to have guys who are strong enough to know that there’s a whole offense to run.”
It has become such a common topic: Will the Knicks and Melo thrive within the triangle? But really, this isn’t about a “system” or “the triangle” as much as it’s about style.
Anthony has been a ball-dominant player throughout his NBA career. Last season, when he isolated more on a per-play basis than any other qualifying player in the league, per Synergy Sports, was no different. But maybe next year can be.
“He admired San Antonio’s game and how they played, and that’s the way we want to play,” Jackson said of Melo’s prospects on becoming a ball-mover.
We’ve seen Anthony shy away from dribbling and transform into a leading catch-and-shoot player in the past. That is what we call Olympic Carmelo. In the NBA, that style still has a chance to consume Melo’s game, though it doesn’t need to all the time. Anthony’s ability to create on his own remains one of the most valuable assets the Knicks have.
“You need to have that man who can get shots on his own,” Jackson theorizes about NBA offense. “Then, you have a guy that’s a great bailout guy in Carmelo.”
No one in the Eastern Conference can pull off that skill better than Anthony, and coming off one of the best statistical seasons of his career, it’s possible we see a better Melo than we’ve seen before once he fully adjusts to a new system.
Phil is basically saying "Melo wont have to feel the need to shoot every trip down". that is all.But make no mistake, Phil's star players have ALWAYS been scorers and they score alot, feel free to name one who didnt.... but they also make plays and complete them while they're on the court. This rainbow in the sky thinking that melo will play less minutes and get used less is just pure lack of knowledge of Phil's system.
Watch the Bulls and Lakers when Phil coached them and state what you really think is gonna change with the way the star player is used.
Absoultely nothing. melo will still average around 28 per, play no lees than 36, which honestly would be too low, and his usage is gonna spike up because he'll be scoring AND making plays.
Phil and Fisher will be changing Melo's midset, his game wont be altered much at all.
there is zero evidence that it wouldnt based on Phil's actual history with his stars.
You're mostly arguing with yourself now. It was clear last year that not only did Melo play nearly 40 mins a game but he was carrying too much of the scoring load and still rebounding. I never made this only about the number of minutes played but also how much of the load Melo was carrying. So yes it's entirely possible that Melo could stay on the court just as long as last year but not have to exert himself as much. THAT'S THE F'N POINT!!! He'll be playing within a system rather than ISO. There's a huge difference in minutes played when you are carrying the load versus playing with your teammates and they are getting the ball and scoring a lot too. So yes Melo could play similar minutes but those minutes won't be the same as the minutes he played last year which clearly drained him so much that he had nothing left at the end of games. It was visible to anyone watching. You're stuck on the Minutes thing as if that was my whole point and it wasn't.
Also let's take it easy with this whole "lack of knowledge of Phil's System". I've been around BB a long time now and i'm well aware of the system. If you haven't noticed I like BB strategy and have a good working knowledge of the plays in MDA's system as well as Phil's system. Not many people here actually spent money getting the SSOL playbook just to learn the plays and variations in each set. Don't get cute trying to say I don't now BB. How many games did the Bulls win when Jordan retired the 1st time? 1993-94 They won 55 games with just the role players and Pippen. This is the best example for what I think the Knicks can do with a team of mostly role players, tho not as well cuz this is their 1st year playing this system.
Age G GS MP FG% 3P% 2P% FT% TRB AST STL BLK PTS
Pippen 28 72 72 38.3 .491 .320 .522 .660 8.7 5.6 2.9 0.8 22.0
Grant 28 70 69 36.7 .524 .000 .528 .596 11.0 3.4 1.1 1.2 15.1
Armstrong 26 82 82 33.8 .476 .444 .481 .855 2.1 3.9 1.0 0.1 14.8
Kukoc 25 75 8 24.1 .431 .271 .462 .743 4.0 3.4 1.1 0.4 10.9
Kerr 28 82 0 24.8 .497 .419 .519 .856 1.6 2.6 0.9 0.0 8.6
Myers 30 82 81 24.8 .455 .276 .465 .701 2.2 3.0 1.0 0.2 7.9
Longley 25 27 17 19.0 .483 .000 .483 .756 5.1 2.3 0.4 0.8 7.6
Williams 25 38 11 16.8 .483 .200 .489 .612 4.8 1.0 0.4 0.6 7.6
Wennington 30 76 0 18.0 .488 .000 .490 .818 4.6 0.9 0.6 0.4 7.1
Cartwright 36 42 41 18.6 .513 .513 .684 .684 3.6 1.4 0.2 0.2 5.6
King 27 31 15 17.3 .398 .000 .402 .679 4.3 1.3 0.6 0.4 5.5
That Bulls team was 14th in offense and 6th in defense. Chances are this Knicks team won't have that same balance. These Knicks don't have the defensive talent they had. Pippen was an all world defender. This team will likely be higher in offense than defense. That Bulls team did better than expected and I think this Knicks team can do that as well. This Knicks team will be even more like Phil's 2002-03 Lakers team in terms of being more offensive than defensive.
2002-03 Lakers
50-32, Finished 2nd in NBA Pacific Division
Off Rtg: 107.2 (4th of 29) ▪ Def Rtg: 104.7 (19th of 29)
If this team can find it's way to around 15th in defense they'll be in good shape IMO.
